NSW bans greyhound racing from July 2017

sprintman1 · 07-07-2016, 02:02 PM

A great day. Baird govt has more cojones than it appeared

Peter B - CV8 · 07-07-2016, 02:17 PM

I like Baird & what he's doing for NSW. I reckon he should try the federal arena.

The Yeti · 07-07-2016, 02:39 PM

it'll hurt a lot of families in my area

I haven't really looked into this so I'm hardly qualified, but if the ABC thing is the norm not the exception it's not before time

I wonder if it will now go the way of **** fighting though in that it will get really grubby and go under ground

Junkyard-Dog · 07-07-2016, 02:52 PM

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I wonder if it will now go the way of **** fighting though in that it will get really grubby and go under ground

You have raised an interesting point but ultimately it's a lot harder to hide a greyhound track than it is a fight between two Roosters. It may go underground but it would require a lot of effort. Personally I don't see why you'd bother but everyone has their thing. My grandfather did quite well breeding and training racing greyhounds many years ago so I understand both sides.

4vxc · 07-07-2016, 03:07 PM

a lot of dogs will be destroyed now

sprintman1 · 07-07-2016, 03:16 PM

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a lot of dogs will be destroyed now

That's the main reason for the ban, appears you missed that part

2011G6E · 07-07-2016, 03:22 PM

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a lot of dogs will be destroyed now

Exactly. Most greyhounds only even exist because of racing. Yes yes yes, there are "rescues" and "adopted out" ex-racing ones, but by and large they do not make good family pets. There's a reason they have to wear muzzles when out in public. The first time someone or someones smaller pets are savaged by greyhounds wandering about, there will be a backlash the same as with pit bulls.

**aussiblue** · 07-07-2016, 03:32 PM

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large they do not make good family pets. There's a reason they have to wear muzzles when out in public

Wrong on both counts:

1. I have a rescue greyhound and they make great family pets. Most are couch potatoes and the mercenary breeding practices of the racing fraternity also means they have less health issues than other breeds (any dog with health issues is unfortunately destroyed and not allowed to breed).

2. If you check your facts you will find that they are the dog least likely to bite people (see the science e.g. http://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.co...114-7/abstract ); they wear muzzles so the don't injure each other when the get entangled with each other while racing but this has led to the perception they are biters and the requirement to wear muzzles in public in some states. Yes they can be trained to chase small animals (and some unfortunately have been) but they can also be easily trained not to do so (like any dog).

I don't support greyhound racing but I do think greyhounds make great pets.

From the study referred to in the link:

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Breeds with the greatest percentage of dogs exhibiting serious aggression (bites or bite attempts) toward humans included Dachshunds, Chihuahuas and Jack Russell Terriers (toward strangers and owners); Australian Cattle Dogs (toward strangers); and American Cocker Spaniels and Beagles (toward owners). More than 20% of Akitas, Jack Russell Terriers and Pit Bull Terriers were reported as displaying serious aggression toward unfamiliar dogs. Golden Retrievers, Labradors Retrievers, Bernese Mountain Dogs, Brittany Spaniels, Greyhounds and Whippets were the least aggressive toward both humans and dogs

4vxc · 07-07-2016, 03:45 PM

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That's the main reason for the ban, appears you missed that part

I didn't miss the point at all, what I'm saying is a lot of the owners of these dogs are not going to keep them as pets if they cant bring in the cash.
I'm sure that some owners that have only one or two dogs will hang on to them as pets as some of them really love those dogs but a lot will have no issues disposing of them.

I don't know about other states but in NSW they don't require a muzzle anymore, completely agree with aussiblue's statement above

**kypez** · 07-07-2016, 03:54 PM

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I didn't miss the point at all, what I'm saying is a lot of the owners of these dogs are not going to keep them as pets if they cant bring in the cash.
I'm sure that some owners that have only one or two dogs will hang on to them as pets as some of them really love those dogs but a lot will have no issues disposing of them.

I don't know about other states but in NSW they don't require a muzzle anymore, completely agree with aussiblue's statement above

At least the cycle stops now...

**Polyal** · 07-07-2016, 03:57 PM

Did you read how many where killed? Thats crazy.

Im OK with it, my only issue is where does the mentality stop? Horse racing next?

Im not really into gambling or animal racing so it doesnt phase me.

**aussiblue** · 07-07-2016, 04:01 PM

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Did you read how many where killed? That's crazy.

Yes; I also understand that at most tracks they actually have a vet at race meeting available to immediately put down at the owners request dogs that don't perform.

**kypez** · 07-07-2016, 04:08 PM

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Yes; I also understand that at most tracks they actually have a vet at race meeting available to immediately put down at the owners request dogs that don't perform.

Thats disgusting!

**kypez** · 07-07-2016, 04:11 PM

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Did you read how many where killed? Thats crazy.

Im OK with it, my only issue is where does the mentality stop? Horse racing next?

Im not really into gambling or animal racing so it doesnt phase me.

I hope so... I dont think animals should be used for gambling and entertainment. If there is so much outrage over sea world, circus', how is horse racing any different?

If you need to make a living from these animals, go to Tafe/Uni and get a qualification. Bit like what people have had to do with the motor industry coming to a close.

4vxc · 07-07-2016, 04:25 PM

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Yes; I also understand that at most tracks they actually have a vet at race meeting available to immediately put down at the owners request dogs that don't perform.

maybe they should bring that in for under performing pollies

**Polyal** · 07-07-2016, 04:54 PM

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I hope so... I dont think animals should be used for gambling and entertainment. If there is so much outrage over sea world, circus', how is horse racing any different?

If you need to make a living from these animals, go to Tafe/Uni and get a qualification. Bit like what people have had to do with the motor industry coming to a close.

Agreed, but.....we also need to have jobs for people that dont go to tafe/uni, its not for everyone. But thats OT.

Id rather people also concentrate on banning gambling ads on TV.

sprintman1 · 07-07-2016, 04:57 PM

ACT just announced ban

The Yeti · 07-07-2016, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Did you read how many where killed? Thats crazy.

Im OK with it, my only issue is where does the mentality stop? Horse racing next?

Im not really into gambling or animal racing so it doesnt phase me.

this pretty much sums up where I sit on the issue

**George V** · 07-07-2016, 06:11 PM

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maybe they should bring that in for under performing pollies

Mmm, Unfortunately their performance is jugged by their own electors but survive as long as the rest of the field is even worse.

Regards,
George V

Stefan · 07-07-2016, 06:32 PM

I know its not the same but every sheep farmer does it too, dog no good, it'll be out to the back paddock to administer the lead aspirin.

sprintman1 · 07-07-2016, 06:38 PM

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I know its not the same but every sheep farmer does it too, dog no good, it'll be out to the back paddock to administer the lead aspirin.

Somewhat different than 68,000 killed because they were slow!

Franco Cozzo · 07-07-2016, 06:56 PM

Hopefully they ban it here in Victoria as well, when the scandal first broke out I was right on the computer to my local MP at 10PM and she actually replied within 10 minutes with a response from her ipad at home, she must have seen it too.

Shonky. · 07-07-2016, 07:16 PM

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I know its not the same but every sheep farmer does it too, dog no good, it'll be out to the back paddock to administer the lead aspirin.

bit that's if the dog is a dud and wont do what its meant to do

not cause its 5% worse at what it does that the best one

Itsme · 07-07-2016, 07:39 PM

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Hopefully they ban it here in Victoria as well, when the scandal first broke out I was right on the computer to my local MP at 10PM and she actually replied within 10 minutes with a response from her ipad at home, she must have seen it too.

You think so, money talks loud in this state when it comes to betting etc!

**kypez** · 07-07-2016, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Agreed, but.....we also need to have jobs for people that dont go to tafe/uni, its not for everyone. But thats OT.

Id rather people also concentrate on banning gambling ads on TV.

THIS! I'm big on animal welfare but the other big issue at play here is the destruction of families due to gambling... But I too, digress

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XB GS 351 Coupe · 07-07-2016, 08:20 PM

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Yes; I also understand that at most tracks they actually have a vet at race meeting available to immediately put down at the owners request dogs that don't perform.

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Thats disgusting!

Nothing new, the same happens at Horse racing as well.

People just chose to ignore it. Ever been to a rural country horse race meet??

I been to one only, and was disgusted, the truck from the abattoir, is parked up at the stables and the last few place getters are marched straight from the track into the abattoir truck to be slaughtered.

Nothing wrong with these horses they are perfectly good and healthy animals, just not fast enough to make money

Our own horse is one of those that we rescued, and he is a perfect pet and riding horse.

Getting back on topic, the idiots that run grey hound racing did not do themselves any favours, too stupid for their own good, good riddance to the parasites, might mean some (a lot) of dogs will be put down now but at least the cycle will end and the breeding will end, so in the long run a lot less dogs will be born only to be put down if they can't run fast.

Next they should be looking at horse racing, not much different really.

CoupeKing · 07-07-2016, 08:57 PM

They encourage people to download gambling apps.... ''but remember, bet responsibly.''

That easy access aspect should be banned across the board - and then some.

Even if you tried, you couldn't even fathom how much money they make.

Sox · 07-07-2016, 09:17 PM

Great news.

However the comparison is being made between dog/horse racing, and gambling.
The two are worlds apart IMO, as the animals are being forced to do their thing, people aren't forced to gamble...

tranquilized · 07-07-2016, 09:48 PM

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I like Baird & what he's doing for NSW. I reckon he should try the federal arena.

Really? From over here in Victoria Casino Mike seems pretty damn corrupt, and has done a fantastic job of destroying the last tiny bits of culture Sydney still had.

Props for banning greyhound racing though...

Franco Cozzo · 07-07-2016, 10:04 PM

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Really? From over here in Victoria Casino Mike seems pretty damn corrupt, and has done a fantastic job of destroying the last tiny bits of culture Sydney still had.

Props for banning greyhound racing though...

I googled 'Casino Mike' and found this:

Pretty damn cool graffiti