Welcome to the Australian Ford Forums forum.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and inserts advertising. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members, respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features without post based advertising banners. Registration is simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.

Please Note: All new registrations go through a manual approval queue to keep spammers out. This is checked twice each day so there will be a delay before your registration is activated.

Go Back   Australian Ford Forums > General Topics > The Pub

The Pub For General Automotive Related Talk

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-04-2014, 06:41 PM   #1
Tickford.
🚫⏰4️⃣🐃💩
 
Tickford.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 1,901
Default impossible to check if odometer has been rolled back in VIC.

yes, i believe it is. or is there really a simple method?

thinking of buying a BA privately and I've done all the online checks I can think of (PPSR, revs, car facts, etc). but none of them will tell me the kilometre history of the car, even though car facts and revs said they would.

the online checks say the ba is all clear. it has 93k on it and owner says genuine and has books. but that's easy to bodge up too. just want to be 100% sure, but how?

a visit to the vicroads office today was a waste of time too. there's nothing you can do to check, either online, or through an government agent's office if a car's odometer has been rolled back?? no one has records? no wonder there's so much of this going on.

the only thing that might give some answers is the ford dealer computer. did forum a search and apparently a BA under 100k can have it's odometer wound back 3 times. if over 100k it's still possible but not so easy. and it would also pick up if the cluster has been changed. is this correct?

to do a ford dealer check obviously you would need the car, and probably cost a fortune too. but what if you want to make sure the km's are correct before looking at the car? seems the only way to get some answers is a pre-purchase check and the dealer computer method. but both are no guaranteed method either.


oops, should have posted this in the pub, not the bar. sorry.


Tickford. is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 02-04-2014, 06:50 PM   #2
ROOSTA
DFDFDF
 
ROOSTA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Albury-Wodonga
Posts: 2,384
Default Re: impossible to check if odometer has been rolled back in VIC.

Log books? And service history...

93k kms should have been serviced at least 5 times..
ROOSTA is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Old 02-04-2014, 06:58 PM   #3
05_ENFORCER
 
05_ENFORCER's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Perth, Western Australia
Posts: 4,513
Default Re: impossible to check if odometer has been rolled back in VIC.

Check with the servicing dealer and Ford customer care


.
__________________
2015 FGX XR8 5.0 S/C 645 RWKW
05_ENFORCER is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Old 02-04-2014, 07:39 PM   #4
GASWAGON
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 5,303
Default Re: impossible to check if odometer has been rolled back in VIC.

Service history is what you really need with stamps in the owners book.....Sounds to me like a genuine/legit car at 93,000k's......Good luck!
GASWAGON is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Old 02-04-2014, 08:00 PM   #5
xtremerus
FG XR6T trayback
 
xtremerus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: N-W NSW
Posts: 1,312
Default Re: impossible to check if odometer has been rolled back in VIC.

Why do you suspect the Kms are wrong?
If the condition of the car suggests it has a lot more , then leave it.
As others suggested, just check log books etc.
xtremerus is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
4 users like this post:
Old 02-04-2014, 08:17 PM   #6
BadMax
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 1,316
Default Re: impossible to check if odometer has been rolled back in VIC.

wow to be so sus are you accustomed to dodgy Sydney spec cars?

Check the books and obvious wear spots like steering wheel, arm rests, carpets and pedals. If it looks consistent then it probably is legit.
__________________
2015 FG-X XR6 Turbo Ute
Silhouette.
ZF.
Single hump hard lid.
XR8 Bonnet
Colour coded mirrors.
Tint.
Reverse camera.
K&N.
More down the track...
BadMax is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
3 users like this post:
Old 02-04-2014, 08:46 PM   #7
Tickford.
🚫⏰4️⃣🐃💩
 
Tickford.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 1,901
Default Re: impossible to check if odometer has been rolled back in VIC.

have not seen the car yet, just trying to do some homework before looking at it. just realising that one cannot do any odometer checks pre hand. you would think that if a car had three previous registered owners it would be easy to check the km's the car had when each of those owners registered the car.

car was first registered in nsw, and then one owner prior to current owner both in vic. there should be a system where the km's are noted at each change of ownership, but vicroads say they don't even have a line to enter the odometer reading in the transfer of ownership form!

as you can prob tell, I'm very green to buying and dealing with second hand cars.


edit: department of human services says you can purchase a vehicle information package from vicroads. but vicroads says you cannot.

http://www.dhs.vic.gov.au/funded-age...history-checks

Last edited by Tickford.; 02-04-2014 at 08:51 PM.
Tickford. is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 02-04-2014, 09:24 PM   #8
auMatt
ORSM Ford Cruisers
 
auMatt's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 1,533
Technical Contributor: For members who share their technical expertise. - Issue reason: Matt's valued contributions in the technical area associated with AU/BA/BF & Terri instrument clusters & ICC's is considered the authoritative guide to work by members in this are of expertise. His contributions stand alone in the forum in this technical  
Default Re: impossible to check if odometer has been rolled back in VIC.

About the odometer in the cluster, it is up to 100km not 100000km. And if the odometer is changed in the first 100km it records a permanent DTC on the cluster. But in saying that anyone could go to a wreckers and grab a cluster and install it and you would never know. The clusters werent linked to any part of the car unlike the FG model.

Matt
__________________
2004 Harvest Green XR6
Orsm Ford Cruisers
ORSM Ford Cruiser's Web Site

Contact me for all your Cluster Programming/Repairs & Window switch/ICC colour change for BA/BF/FG Falcons & Territory. Visit my SITE for info.


I Use and Recommend :
Ferntree Gully Auto Salvage
AutoWorks - Keilor
RIP Craig
RIP Samantha
auMatt is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
2 users like this post:
Old 02-04-2014, 10:03 PM   #9
GasoLane
Former BTIKD
Donating Member2
 
GasoLane's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Sunny Downtown Wagga Wagga. NSW.
Posts: 53,197
Default Re: impossible to check if odometer has been rolled back in VIC.

One of the good points about having a roadworthy inspection every year (NSW) is that the odometer distance is recorded.
__________________
Dying at your job is natures way of saying that you're in the wrong line of work.
GasoLane is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
2 users like this post:
Old 02-04-2014, 10:21 PM   #10
BadMax
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 1,316
Default Re: impossible to check if odometer has been rolled back in VIC.

Quote:
Originally Posted by GasOLane View Post
One of the good points about having a roadworthy inspection every year (NSW) is that the odometer distance is recorded.
Until the government cottons on and starts charging rego at a rate you travel.
__________________
2015 FG-X XR6 Turbo Ute
Silhouette.
ZF.
Single hump hard lid.
XR8 Bonnet
Colour coded mirrors.
Tint.
Reverse camera.
K&N.
More down the track...
BadMax is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 02-04-2014, 10:44 PM   #11
Itsme
Experienced Member
 
Itsme's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Australasia
Posts: 7,729
Default Re: impossible to check if odometer has been rolled back in VIC.

Quote:
Originally Posted by BadMax View Post
Until the government cottons on and starts charging rego at a rate you travel.
SShhh we don't need that!
Itsme is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 03-04-2014, 08:46 AM   #12
BadMax
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 1,316
Default Re: impossible to check if odometer has been rolled back in VIC.

Quote:
Originally Posted by trublu View Post
SShhh we don't need that!
I believe the idea is getting thrown around in Victoria again...
__________________
2015 FG-X XR6 Turbo Ute
Silhouette.
ZF.
Single hump hard lid.
XR8 Bonnet
Colour coded mirrors.
Tint.
Reverse camera.
K&N.
More down the track...
BadMax is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 03-04-2014, 10:46 AM   #13
xisled
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 3,338
Default Re: impossible to check if odometer has been rolled back in VIC.

Quote:
Originally Posted by xxxg View Post
have not seen the car yet, just trying to do some homework before looking at it. just realising that one cannot do any odometer checks pre hand. you would think that if a car had three previous registered owners it would be easy to check the km's the car had when each of those owners registered the car.

car was first registered in nsw, and then one owner prior to current owner both in vic. there should be a system where the km's are noted at each change of ownership, but vicroads say they don't even have a line to enter the odometer reading in the transfer of ownership form!

as you can prob tell, I'm very green to buying and dealing with second hand cars.


edit: department of human services says you can purchase a vehicle information package from vicroads. but vicroads says you cannot.

http://www.dhs.vic.gov.au/funded-age...history-checks
Vic roads used to sell this information before the PPSR. PPSR is where all the info is stored and sold. The info on the web site is behind by about a year and half.

If the car has had 3 owners, see if you can locate a RWC from the current owner. The RWC should have the K's on it.
xisled is online now   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 03-04-2014, 12:29 PM   #14
Franco Cozzo
Thailand Specials
 
Franco Cozzo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Centrefold Lounge
Posts: 49,694
Default Re: impossible to check if odometer has been rolled back in VIC.

Go by all the tell tale signs:

- Panel gaps, accident?
- Wear on steering wheel?
- Wear on driver seat?
- Wear on center console?
- Wear on driver door where you would rest your near window?

If it has "93,000km" but the seat is trashed and the steering wheel is showing wear its all part of the puzzle.

Thats what they do with Jap Imports, tonnes of Skylines/300ZX from the 90s with only 40,000km on the clock but theres some bullshit going on there.

I'm not saying this car isn't legit, its probably not too common on a Falcon but those are the steps I'd take if it was suspect.
Franco Cozzo is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Old 03-04-2014, 02:48 PM   #15
buggo
[BU66OS]
 
buggo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Central Coast NSW
Posts: 1,719
Default Re: impossible to check if odometer has been rolled back in VIC.

I don't think 93k Km is unrealistic for a BA.

Lets say its an 04' model, so its averaged 9,300Km a year. Which is 180Km a week.
The guy might get the train to work while it sits all week, he does a grocery run on saturday morning, runs a few errands whatever. Maybe once a month he'll go on the highway. There's the low average.

Unless something is obviously sus I wouldnt be worried at all.
__________________
FG XR6 Turbo Nitro

BA XR8 Manual
buggo is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 03-04-2014, 04:48 PM   #16
EBII Fairmont
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
EBII Fairmont's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 536
Default Re: impossible to check if odometer has been rolled back in VIC.

Apparently these cars can't be wound back. The only way I know of changing the reading is by changing the cluster itself(is that correct term?). I know of a BA MKII Futura that may be coming up on the market. It was my last car. I bought the car off an elderly gentleman and sold it several years later to a mate with 70,000km on the clock. He has barely driven it and has said he is thinking he will sell it soon. The colour is offshore blue and was in perfect condition while I had it. If you are keen let me know and I will ask him if he is still keen to sell. It is located in the Eastern suburbs of Melbourne.
EBII Fairmont is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 03-04-2014, 06:24 PM   #17
stang65
FPRJET
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 1,143
Default Re: impossible to check if odometer has been rolled back in VIC.

2003 ba xr6 turbo October build !st reg January 2004 120,000 K`s and I used it for repping. Its possible.
__________________
Proud to own a FORD and sick of the constant bagging. You don`t like it, go buy a Holden, you`ll be back soon.
stang65 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 03-04-2014, 07:48 PM   #18
Itsme
Experienced Member
 
Itsme's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Australasia
Posts: 7,729
Default Re: impossible to check if odometer has been rolled back in VIC.

Quote:
Originally Posted by buggo View Post
I don't think 93k Km is unrealistic for a BA.

Lets say its an 04' model, so its averaged 9,300Km a year. Which is 180Km a week.
The guy might get the train to work while it sits all week, he does a grocery run on saturday morning, runs a few errands whatever. Maybe once a month he'll go on the highway. There's the low average.

Unless something is obviously sus I wouldnt be worried at all.
Other Alternative is two car family where one car is mainly used local, Example my wifes 2000 KN laser just clocked over 105,000Kms and is still in immaculate condition.

The condition of car should indicate the mileage.
Itsme is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 03-04-2014, 08:16 PM   #19
Tickford.
🚫⏰4️⃣🐃💩
 
Tickford.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 1,901
Default Re: impossible to check if odometer has been rolled back in VIC.

thanks for all the advise people. have taken it on board. but, still, there's no concrete method to determine if the km's on a second hand mid to late 2000 falcon in VIC is 100% accurate then. unbelievable really to think in this day and age that this is still an issue with the falcon. even the fg falcon is easy to do over apparently(??)

as an example, a dodgy, but fussy owner could stop stamping the log book on his immaculately maintained falcon once it's out of warranty (at about 60-70k), do two trips around Australia, drive around for a couple of years putting some high mileage on to his immaculate falcon, swap clusters for one with 80k and sell it saying he never drove it for a year and a bit, because he hurt his back. but to hurt your back you must first have a spine.
that's just one dodgy way of many I'm guessing. sure you guys will have plenty more. again, thanks. think i'll go have a look at it, but not really in a buying mode now.
Tickford. is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 03-04-2014, 08:46 PM   #20
burnz
VFII SS UTE
 
burnz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Central Coast
Posts: 6,353
Default Re: impossible to check if odometer has been rolled back in VIC.

Quote:
Originally Posted by BadMax View Post
wow to be so sus are you accustomed to dodgy Sydney spec cars?

Check the books and obvious wear spots like steering wheel, arm rests, carpets and pedals. If it looks consistent then it probably is legit.
"I" object !!!

at least the RTA/RMS will tell you what K's are on the car from last rego'ed..
__________________
I don't often hear the sound of a screaming LSX.
But when I do, So do the neighbours..
GO SOUTHS
burnz is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Old 03-04-2014, 09:03 PM   #21
BionicXR6
Banned
 
BionicXR6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Sydney
Posts: 934
Default Re: impossible to check if odometer has been rolled back in VIC.

I reckon worry about all the B-series problems first (rust, broken heater shaft, door actuator's dead, warped discs, diff bushes, sagging headliner etc. etc. etc.) before investigating a car you haven't seen to this level.

Last edited by BionicXR6; 03-04-2014 at 09:11 PM.
BionicXR6 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Old 03-04-2014, 09:21 PM   #22
JC
Miami Pilot
Donating Member2
 
JC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: ACT
Posts: 21,704
Tech Writer: Recognition for the technical writers of AFF - Issue reason: Writing tech articles 
Default Re: impossible to check if odometer has been rolled back in VIC.

One of my mates has an AU2 (2000) XR8 with 120,000km on the clock. He bought it with 4000km on it, and obviously does less than 10,000km a year in it because the Territory is their main car, and he scooters to work.
__________________
-----------------------------------------------------------------
The Hammer: FG GTE | 376rwkw | 1/4 mile 11.793 @ 119.75mph 1.733 60' (4408lb)
1 of 60 FG MK1 335 GTEs (1 of 118 FG Mk 1 & 2 335 GTEs).
Mods: Tune, HSD/ShockWorks, black GT335 19” staggered replicas with 245 & 275/35/19 Michelin Pilot sport 5s

Daily: BF2 Fairmont Ghia I6 ZF, machine face GT335 19” staggered Replicas with 245s and 275s, Bilsteins & Kings

FPV 335 build stats: <click here>

Ford Performance Club ACT
JC is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 03-04-2014, 11:06 PM   #23
xtremerus
FG XR6T trayback
 
xtremerus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: N-W NSW
Posts: 1,312
Default Re: impossible to check if odometer has been rolled back in VIC.

Quote:
Originally Posted by xxxg View Post
thanks for all the advise people. have taken it on board. but, still, there's no concrete method to determine if the km's on a second hand mid to late 2000 falcon in VIC is 100% accurate then. unbelievable really to think in this day and age that this is still an issue with the falcon. even the fg falcon is easy to do over apparently(??)

as an example, a dodgy, but fussy owner could stop stamping the log book on his immaculately maintained falcon once it's out of warranty (at about 60-70k), do two trips around Australia, drive around for a couple of years putting some high mileage on to his immaculate falcon, swap clusters for one with 80k and sell it saying he never drove it for a year and a bit, because he hurt his back. but to hurt your back you must first have a spine. that's just one dodgy way of many I'm guessing. sure you guys will have plenty more. again, thanks. think i'll go have a look at it, but not really in a buying mode now.
Are you talking from personal experience of selling a car?
Is that why you are so suspicious.
xtremerus is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
2 users like this post:
Old 04-04-2014, 09:51 PM   #24
gregaust
Donating Member
Donating Member1
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: QLD
Posts: 11,839
Valued Contributor: For members whose non technical contributions are worthy of recognition. - Issue reason: Greg always goes out of his way to provide assistance and support to members of AFF. Greg freely shares his knowledge with people who ask for help and often assists them with obtaining parts and repairs.  A great member of the AFF community. Technical Contributor: For members who share their technical expertise. - Issue reason: Always happy to offer assistance from his own experiences and often posts up photos when someone is having issues finding/locating something they are trying to repair or replace. 
Default Re: impossible to check if odometer has been rolled back in VIC.

I recently looked at BA MKII XR6 ute , 109k's , for some reason I was sus although it was neat and tidy. But, the service books were missing and quick check of fault codes with a mates flash tuner revealed "instrument cluster doesn't match PCM " and another smartlock fault
gregaust is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 04-04-2014, 10:47 PM   #25
Tickford.
🚫⏰4️⃣🐃💩
 
Tickford.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 1,901
Default Re: impossible to check if odometer has been rolled back in VIC.

Quote:
Originally Posted by xtremerus View Post
Are you talking from personal experience of selling a car?
Is that why you are so suspicious.
why are you so upset? did I just reveal your method of selling second hand car's or something?? take a chill pill bud.

suspicious?? no, just want be sure what it says is what it is. is that ok with you? you'd be a fool if you didn't do as much as you could to check what you're paying for is what you get.
Tickford. is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 05-04-2014, 06:43 AM   #26
The Yeti
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
The Yeti's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: In my happy place
Posts: 5,432
Default Re: impossible to check if odometer has been rolled back in VIC.

93k is a little light for a BA but not impossible, personally if I were the type to wind back a car I wouldn't wind a BA back to 93, you might wing something with 400km back to 200 odd but to roll a high roller to 93 is asking for trouble, and if it's not a high roller why wind it back?

As others have said, look for carpet, seat, peddle and door trim wear these will give you a very good indicator.

Then you have to go with your gut

If it doesn't read like a 93km car move on
__________________
Pariahs C.C.
What could possibly go wrong

I post images with postimg.cc (so I don’t forget)
The Yeti is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 05-04-2014, 11:35 PM   #27
xtremerus
FG XR6T trayback
 
xtremerus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: N-W NSW
Posts: 1,312
Default Re: impossible to check if odometer has been rolled back in VIC.

Quote:
Originally Posted by xxxg View Post
why are you so upset? did I just reveal your method of selling second hand car's or something?? take a chill pill bud.

suspicious?? no, just want be sure what it says is what it is. is that ok with you? you'd be a fool if you didn't do as much as you could to check what you're paying for is what you get.
Not upset. Quite the opposite.
I take a car as I see it. No more ,no less. If you want it at the price , buy it.

I don't do internet etc. checks on a car I have not even seen , go onto this site and wonder whether the owner has doctored the odometer.
Hello! Who has a suspicious mind.
When I have bought secondhand cars, I have never thought, has the owner knocked back the odometer.
Time for you to have that pill.
xtremerus is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Old 05-04-2014, 11:57 PM   #28
BennyH
Regular Member
 
BennyH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 337
Default Re: impossible to check if odometer has been rolled back in VIC.

Recently went through a similar predicament with a '96 nissan patrol with only 180,000 kms (10,000 a year). Seller advertised that it was only used to tow a caravan 2-3 times a year, so checked that the caravan was actually evident when inspecting car. But it was the overall lack of wear and tear in comparison to others that I had looked at with 250,000 km + that I trusted the integrity of the odometer, plus he had that honest bloke feel about him.
__________________
[PSI8] 2014 Limited Edition Pursuit Ute, Build No. 22
Winter White w/black stripes. FOR SALE, SEE COLLECTIBLE SECTION.

2010 XR6 Ute Nitro Blue Bluepower XCAL3 tune,
Di Filippo headers + high flow cat, X Force stainless cat back,20% Powerbond underdrive,
Growler CAI, Herrod lowered suspension package,
19'' Dark Argents w/ 36mm rear spacers, DBA T2 slotted rotors, Pursuit Side Skirts, EGR Under Spoiler
BennyH is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Old 07-04-2014, 11:52 PM   #29
Spurious
Guest
 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 1,934
Default Re: impossible to check if odometer has been rolled back in VIC.

Has anyone suggested inspecting the screws that secure the cluster in the dash. If they have been unscrewed & replaced there would be telltale marks on the screw head.
Spurious is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 09-04-2014, 08:53 AM   #30
93EB_SXR6
I totalled my XR6
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Australia
Posts: 1,193
Default Re: impossible to check if odometer has been rolled back in VIC.

This FlivverFord bloke makes a good point, that is also what I'd be looking for.
__________________
93EB_SXR6 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Reply


Forum Jump


All times are GMT +11. The time now is 10:07 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Other than what is legally copyrighted by the respective owners, this site is copyright www.fordforums.com.au
Positive SSL