Ah, Queensland...sunny one day, fascist police state the next...

[2011G6E]

I just want to know what this cost the taxpayers...apparently they've done it a few times to solitary bikers...but they haven't had cameras.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TMOiMopMCU

And just remember; the governments own eight hundred grand advertising campaign told us that "ordinary citizens have nothing to fear".

I also love the level of intellect he's dealing with..."why are you wearing leather on a hot day?" Perhaps because it's a damn motorbike and you're supposed to wear some level of protective clothing? Even on the hottest days I wear leather jacket, jeans, boots, a full face, and usually gloves. And she seems puzzled by the extremely old saying on one of his patches "Live free ride free"...that's been around since the damn seventies or earlier.

You have to wonder "who's next...?" Modified cars, anyone?

[cjf]

Try this link.

http://youtu.be/8TMOiMopMCU

[csv8]

This is also being discussed in the Two Wheels FF site
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/quee...112-30oj9.html

[BPXR6T]

Life's tough being a bad ***

[Giant Cranium]

What a waste of police time. Why do they need 6 cops for one bloke who is being cooperative? Seems like he is a bit arrogant at the start but I would be worse after 21 stops. Also why did he have to go through the same info twice?

[BF-2K7]

Riding around on a Harley with a club patch on your leather vest is bound to attract attention from the constabulary since these laws have been introduced.

Maybe ......... just maybe wearing a full leather Jacket without badges/emblems/motifs wouldnt be so conspicuous and you would be less likely to be 'harrassed' (21 times).

On the other hand seems he's been lapping up the limelight on social media, maybe he likes the attention?

[STINKY NINJA]

Its a shame really,i had some idiot trying to kick my door down a couple of months ago and the cops were too busy to come out because theyre out doing stupid time wasting money sapping rubbish like this...
Im not for or against bikies or coppers but police need to start fighting crime and stop wasting time...

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by csv8

This is also being discussed in the Two Wheels FF site
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/quee...112-30oj9.html

I see what they did there in that article...
* "Harassed" is put in quotes (when it quite obviously is harassment).
* "The officers ask Mr Evans basic questions about his identity, if he belongs to an outlaw motorcycle club, and whether his motorcycle is roadworthy." Basic? Repeatedly being asked the same thing over and over is "basic"? Six cars and a platoon of cops for one man is "basic"?
* "However, the video also shows a female police officer saying that Mr Evans did not produce his licence when he was first pulled over.
Mr Evans then tells the surrounding police that he “has no respect for cops”.
Disparaging remarks about police and the state government appear on Mr Evans' Facebook page.
Mr Evans “likes” several online pages of outlaw motorcycle clubs, and other pages he supports are critical of the Newman Government."

Hell, that's guilty in my books...lock the dangrous evil lawless horrifying animal bikie associate away then! Nail 'im up I say!!!!

The readers comments are an eye opener too...plenty of people there have literally no problem with police doing this to a law abiding member of the public, "and should be more of it!".
They crap on about "childish black leathers" and "try hard bikie in black leather, oh please".
These morons are the type of idiot that, if they did dare go near a motorcycle, would probably wear a t-shirt, shorts, and thongs riding down the highway. Leather usually comes in only one colour unless you're going to spring for an expensive race rep suit or jacket, and that's "black". People honestly don't seem to understand...as did that female cop...why riders wear leather clothing...morons...

[monte.b]

Yep they are trying to do something to reduce the crime rate in this state ,good on them i reckon ,then all the scumbags can go back south or west or where ever they came from ,then its your problem ,he he ,you winge if the gove does nothing about crime and you winge if the tackle it head on ,go MR PREMIER NEWMAN of QLD ,good bloke

[2011G6E]

Not....not sure if that's sarcasm or not...

I really hope it is...

[Franco Cozzo]

I don't know if the OMCs are such the public menace the QLD government is making them out to be? Was at a local pub on Friday night and me and my mates noticed about 6 of the Rebels MC turn up in their uniform, park their bikes and go to enter the pub, we **** ourselves thinking we might have to go to another pub to avoid a **** storm.

The single security guard said no and they just turned around and left?

[2011G6E]

Any reasonable person would have to agree that it's just not on to be jailed, not for what you have done, but merely who you have been seen with in public...not breaking the law, just seen with them.

Wait until what some people are calling the "unofficial second part" of the new laws comes in early this year...that being the "out of control party" laws.
Under that, an "out of control party" is simply any gathering of 12 or more people, where three of those people cause a public nuisance...think swearing loudly, blocking a footpath, etc (these were two of the examples given). The police DO NOT need a warrant to enter the premises and the organiser will then face massive fines and could face 12 months in jail...

Tell me that isn't going to be abused...public union gatherings and protest groups, anyone...?

[csv8]

OMC 's only cause 0.9% of 1% of all crime in QLD. 0.9% of 1% !! and that warrants VLAD laws?????? The money being spent on OMC is way out of proportion to the need. Just like speed cameras...but thats another story....

[jmack]

there would b more offences committed at schoolies week

[calais]

Seems like a manifestly disproportionate level of police for what simply amounts to an identity verification.

Even in the international laws of armed conflict, proportionality has a major bearing on the legality of the conduct.

I do understand the fundamental differences between the displayed example and the one I discuss, however I still see a link between them and also a massive problem there as far as the way these ridiculous laws are being employed. I would also imagine that the job sheet would still require some kind of scrutiny from a senior officer that might provide clarification?

I thought my own experiences in NSW were bad, how wrong I was.

[csv8]

Probably , meeting a quota, under QPol new must meet a quota policy ???

[AU1XLS]

Stay on topic you already have a quota thread running

[Streets]

as much as I'm against the VLAD laws, there's no problems with the amount of police attending

police are entitled to a safe working environment and safety in numbers gets them that

a bloke doesn't get pulled up 21 times just for nothing either

[Streets]

the reason they are asking him to describe his clothing is because the police will be recording the audio, not video, and pictures generally tend not to show up on audio tape

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

I just want to know what this cost the taxpayers...apparently they've done it a few times to solitary bikers...but they haven't had cameras.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TMOiMopMCU

And just remember; the governments own eight hundred grand advertising campaign told us that "ordinary citizens have nothing to fear".

I also love the level of intellect he's dealing with..."why are you wearing leather on a hot day?" Perhaps because it's a damn motorbike and you're supposed to wear some level of protective clothing? Even on the hottest days I wear leather jacket, jeans, boots, a full face, and usually gloves. And she seems puzzled by the extremely old saying on one of his patches "Live free ride free"...that's been around since the damn seventies or earlier.

You have to wonder "who's next...?" Modified cars, anyone?

my cut and paste response from other thread....

old mate was being an attention seeking **** stick

he deserved every bit of attention he got

[XW-BAXR6T]

I support the police for this, as bikies are a menace who have gotten out of control, but i do worry that this may be extended to other innocent groups & may become the norm in future like speed cameras have become, first we had dont speed for safety, then came the speed cameras with fines & we can see how that's ended. Politicians just cant be trusted full stop.

Hope the state governments dont get to power hungry pushing innocent people along the line some time in future. I blame the state government not the cops if things get out of hand, they make legislation & laws after all & police only follow orders.

And if the politicians think they can get away with pushing people around, boy they got something coming for them in the end.

[pottery beige]

all this clowns done is put himself on the **** list

clap, clap for him

name of the game is dancing underneath the radar

[XW-BAXR6T]

I mean how do we know they wont target car enthusiasts or car clubs riding in future? See my point? Call me paranoid, but im old enough to recall many other examples from the past.

[chevypower]

You don't have to like the biker image, Harleys, leather, loud exhausts, tattoos or any of the sort to see the bigger picture here. This is profiling! Police should not be engaging in social engineering to force people to conform to the image they want. If you are ok with this kind of profiling then there will nothing to support you when the day comes that you are profiled for something that somebody else doesn't like. This kind of bullying from police really worries me. But the fact that so many seem to be ok with it just because they don't like that kind of image is even more worrying.

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by XW-BAXR6T

I mean how do we know they wont target car enthusiasts or car clubs riding in future? See my point? Call me paranoid, but im old enough to recall many other examples from the past.

Exactly. Once they start doing that, people might wake up.

Or, wait until Anzac Day...Blieje has said that any outlaw bikies marching will be fair game, and the RSL is begging the police to "show some restraint".
Wait until the drag off some ex-diggers on Anzac Day for being seen with "the wrong people"...then the great storm will descend.

Originally Posted by csv8

Probably , meeting a quota, under QPol new must meet a quota policy ???

I suppose...there's what, maybe eight coppers or more there who can all tick off that one traffic stop in their quota (sorry, "daily records") list for the day...makes quotas (records) so much easier to achieve if you all turn up in big numbers for the one thing...

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Exactly. Once they start doing that, people might wake up.

Or, wait until Anzac Day...Blieje has said that any outlaw bikies marching will be fair game, and the RSL is begging the police to "show some restraint".
Wait until the drag off some ex-diggers on Anzac Day for being seen with "the wrong people"...then the great storm will descend.



I suppose...there's what, maybe eight coppers or more there who can all tick off that one traffic stop in their quota (sorry, "daily records") list for the day...makes quotas (records) so much easier to achieve if you all turn up in big numbers for the one thing...

this threads ****** without you sooking they took your guns away

[2011G6E]

As with the readers comments in the news article...it constantly amazes me how many people strongly support and applaud laws like this that take away so much freedom (and the VLAD isn't anything to do with "bikies"..the government and police have come out and admitted a week or two back that you don't actually have to be a member of an OMC or former member to be covered by them). The point being, it's "other peoples" freedom, people who are doing something they themselves don't happen to do, so...at the moment...they don't care..."they deserve everything they get".

However, when the day comes that it changes and is modified so it does cover "what you do", then we will expect not a word of complaint, not an ounce of dissent, just bend over and take it and smile.


A prime example: a few weeks ago I bet each and every tradie all over Queensland didn't realise that the VLAD legislation and associated laws would be "modified" so that they would have to soon get comprehensive police background checks and explain fully to the government who all their friends are are what those friends do and who those friends might be connected to, not to mention who they are friends with on social media (and "unfriend" people who are "not the right sort of people"...not sure how you do that in real life if they're a relative of yours)...but here we are...

[hedgehobb]

You know what he should have said?:

"If you gaiz had an unlike button, I would be clicking on it. OH BOY! Would I be clicking on it..."

and film the cops reactions as he has sad.

[1TUFFUTE]

Police abuse their authority.....my aunty is an officer and backs this up.
I've seen first hand the police bashing a guy that had been mugging an old guy on the street. I helped the guy then pointed out that the guys they were talking too later were the muggers. They asked me to follow them where they proceeded to bash and kick the guy.(he deserved it tho but still)
Oh yeah...the papers the next day made no mention of me or the two brickies that saved the old guy....or the bashing....just a plea from the police to come forward if anyone had any info(despite my statement ). Slight cover up anyone

That biker example is an unbelievable joke and shows what garbage comes from opinionated minorities with too much power. They should all be reprimanded for abuse. They're simply looking for things too justify their interest. May aswell pull every black fella over and search him for alchohol. Scumbags!

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

Well your not so bright are you......you must have missed the part were he's been pulled over 21 times in less then 2 years and not been pinged for anything. Did you watch the video. If he'd had an AK and an m1911 strapped there'd be the same amount of cops.

I've been pulled over maybe 4 times in my driving life....3 of those times was in a hotted falcon and was treated like a goon with nothing but comments trying to get me to admit I was speeding or 'it looked like you cut in front of that truck pretty close back there'.

So you go dance in the corner by yourself and watch the world turn to slops

well youre not so bright if you cant work it out

you do know that more often than not, they do know who you are, where you live etc before you are actually pulled over dont you

any notes from the stop will be logged on SCMODS

make their job hard, they will make your life harder

true story