Ford performance cars vs holden performance cars?

RAPID_BA · 13-02-2011, 08:53 AM

Excluding which cars are actually quicker, ive always had a bit of a gripe with holden and its performance offerings,

For instance the hsv cars have traditionally had the exact same motor as the ss or executive commodore with a different tune and maybe an intake or extractors, essentially the same hardware with minor upgrade, look at say a vx ls1 and a vz hsv 285kw? Same thing under the hood different tune.

Ford on the other hand have had different cams, intake manifolds, compression, heads and bolt ons on their performance offerings, a bit more exclusive and harder to copy cat. Over the past years cars with very different motors to their basic models, look at GT from eb-el and then ba-fg, look at t- series and even xr8 has different hardware to more basic models?

Does the ford performance offerings over the years seem more exclusive than the holden counterparts? (irrespective of whos quicker)

04redxr8 · 13-02-2011, 09:00 AM

Errr, VE, SS has L98, HSV has LS3.

Are you trying to start more arguments. Please go away.

Lock it down.

chrisfpv · 13-02-2011, 09:13 AM

Yeah, this isn't a biased opinion at all. Thought i'd chime in before this pointless thread is locked as i'm sure it will be before another Holden vs Ford war starts.

Black F6 · 13-02-2011, 09:16 AM

inb4close

Bucknaked · 13-02-2011, 09:19 AM

Politics and Holden V Ford. Always a couple of subjects that end up in tears.

04redxr8 · 13-02-2011, 09:21 AM

And usually started by the same people. Banhammer anyone?

**Revolver** · 13-02-2011, 09:22 AM

Here we go again. This no doubt going to become a brand bashing thread.... Not really needed on this forum.

Maybe such a question should be posed in the more appropriate LS1 forums. Both subject matter & mentality wise....

RAPID_BA · 13-02-2011, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 04redxr8

Errr, VE, SS has L98, HSV has LS3.

Are you trying to start more arguments. Please go away.

Lock it down.

That is the exception rather than the rule, the other was the cb4 gts, but ither than that, holden performance buyers have been fed the same ham sandwich as the ss/berlina/calais/statesman

When is the last time a performance ford was fitted with the same hardware as the basic model?

RAPID_BA · 13-02-2011, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 04redxr8

And usually started by the same people. Banhammer anyone?

Someone woke up with a bad hangover, go back to bed, nothing wrong with my question

Would i be ousted from a pub for asking such a question? What argument am i starting if most are likely to agree?

04redxr8 · 13-02-2011, 09:27 AM

Ok, fine please go here and discuss.

Oh, and its not just this question. Its you entire thread starter history. Ever notice almost all your threads end in a lock? They always end up in a heated debate. Now you come on looking for a brand bashing thread.

That is not what this forum is about.

TURBOTAXI · 13-02-2011, 09:29 AM

I think the issue is that these threads lack objectivity and make members look one eyed to guests.
All new cars are pretty good, the holdens too.

flappist · 13-02-2011, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HULK_BA

Excluding which cars are actually quicker, ive always had a bit of a gripe with holden and its performance offerings,

For instance the hsv cars have traditionally had the exact same motor as the ss or executive commodore with a different tune and maybe an intake or extractors, essentially the same hardware with minor upgrade, look at say a vx ls1 and a vz hsv 285kw? Same thing under the hood different tune.

Ford on the other hand have had different cams, intake manifolds, compression, heads and bolt ons on their performance offerings, a bit more exclusive and harder to copy cat. Over the past years cars with very different motors to their basic models, look at GT from eb-el and then ba-fg, look at t- series and even xr8 has different hardware to more basic models?

Does the ford performance offerings over the years seem more exclusive than the holden counterparts? (irrespective of whos quicker)

Yes the XR8/TE, XR8/GT, XR6T/F6 are just so totally different.....

landau460 · 13-02-2011, 09:31 AM

i think what is said is not an argumental statement rather constructive criticism. They need to be told just like Ford need to be let know when they make substandard stuff.
Are we becoming a politicly incorrect statement forum scared of what we say and dont say?

04redxr8 · 13-02-2011, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by landau460

i think what is said is not an argumental statement rather constructive criticism. They need to be told just like Ford need to be let know when they make substandard stuff.
Are we becoming a politicly incorrect statement forum scared of what we say and dont say?

The opening statement is not realy true. It is IMO designed to spark a reaction. I generally don't get too bothered with these sort of posts, but lately it just seems more and more are created.

And I don't have a hangover. Thanks for the concern.

**Revolver** · 13-02-2011, 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 04redxr8

Oh, and its not just this question. Its you entire thread starter history. Ever notice almost all your threads end in a lock? They always end up in a heated debate. Now you come on looking for a brand bashing thread.

You beat me to it, red. Was the exact same thing I was thinking. Hulk, you keep posting threads that end in a lock for more than a majority of them.

If your threads keep getting locked? & it's not the aim, maybe it's time to review what questions you ask, or at least how you ask them. But it's mostly the senseless topics you post.

**Falcon Coupe** · 13-02-2011, 09:48 AM

Well this is not off to a good start.

The topic may have warranted some discussion however the op's history reminds me of the boy who cried wolf. Some less emotive topics maybe better to gain trust from the masses.