P Plate restrictions question (Victoria).

[Daymoe]

Righto, this isn't me having a sook about the new restrictions, so before you all flame and riot up in arms about "Just put up with it" "All P-platers are dangerous drivers" "P plater stole my soul" etc etc just read.

So we all know about the new V8 restrictions, there's also a rule about performance modifications, does that include an engine transplant? Example, going from a 8 cyl to a 6 cyl engine so I can actually drive the car in question? Apart from engineers cert, would this be in breach of restrictions? Car in question is a Ford F150, so I won't be breaking any land speed records.

There seems to be a massive gray area with knowing what you can and cant do.

Thanks.

[Jason[98.EL]]

contact vic roads in the morning ''

but being you are under powering it i cant see it being a problem

Grimus

[Daymoe]

It'll be handy for work, smaller utes like the Ford Courier diesel we use for hauling around TVs, we can only fit twelve 51CM CRT TVs on it at once in their boxes and that takes up the entire tray, more if we stack them on each other but that's a bit risky, when you have large numbers of TVs to move (around 80) it gets a bit tedious and wastes resources which can be used elsewhere.

Thanks for the advice.

[joolz]

Sorry but these new restrictions are going a bit far. So now its illegal to drive an F100 with a 302 clevo along with say a ZJ Fairlane with a 302 clevo but legal to drive the new FG falcon I6!!! I know the FG with an I6 would have alot more power than the other 2 tanks mentioned..... Geee my EL I6 Fairmont ghia has more power than my old ZJ V8 on gas and petrol. What happened to the power to weight ratio laws?

[Daymoe]

They're still there and even tighter, its now 125Kw/Tonne instead of 140.

[Thom]

I have had to deal with this problem first hand as I am only 19 i was buildind a 1937 pick-up for myself with a 302 clevo in mind uptill these p plate laws came about so it is now being built with a 4.0l out of a Ed you cant modify the engine but you can change what car its in and if you put it into a car that never had it in the first place vic roads can't say what is standard and whats not so thats when it falls on the power to weight ratio
Cheers Thom

[Daymoe]

Originally Posted by Thom

I have had to deal with this problem first hand as I am only 19 i was buildind a 1937 pick-up for myself with a 302 clevo in mind uptill these p plate laws came about so it is now being built with a 4.0l out of a Ed you cant modify the engine but you can change what car its in and if you put it into a car that never had it in the first place vic roads can't say what is standard and whats not so thats when it falls on the power to weight ratio
Cheers Thom

Thanks Thom, much appreciated. I'd assume the i6 out of a E series Falcon would be able to pull a F150 fine and maybe tow, just won't accelerate very well.

[majdi]

im a p plater from victoria, and what i understood from the new law was that it depends on power to weight, so u can still drive a v8 if it is under 125kws per tonne

[deanoseb]

Originally Posted by majdi

im a p plater from victoria, and what i understood from the new law was that it depends on power to weight, so u can still drive a v8 if it is under 125kws per tonne

it all depends when u got ur p's

before july 07: power to weight

after july 07: the rule is no mod's to improve performance incl. lowering : but basically no v8's no turbo's (except crappy daihatsu fwd's or something like that) no high-powered 6's (porsche etc??)

[Gobes32]

whats with all the p platers in Geelong with v8 statos. Damn. Never had that when I was 18............ p.s Not that there was anything wrong with a HQ ute with a 173. Miss the old girl actually.

[Daymoe]

Originally Posted by deanoseb

it all depends when u got ur p's

before july 07: power to weight

after july 07: the rule is no mod's to improve performance incl. lowering : but basically no v8's no turbo's (except crappy daihatsu fwd's or something like that) no high-powered 6's (porsche etc??)

High powered 6s are listed on the site, Nissan 350Z, BMW M3s and all Porsche models.

[RG]

I think that you may very well be granted an exemption by Vicroads for the fact that it is a F truck and it is used for work.

[Ford_V8]

Basically there are 2 sets of rules depending on when you got your licence:

Before 1 July 07

• a power to mass ratio which exceeds 125 kilowatts per tonne; or
• an engine capacity which exceeds 3.5 litres per tonne of the unladen mass (tare) of the motor vehicle

After 1 July 07

• An engine of eight or more cylinders;
• a turbocharged or supercharged engine (except diesel powered vehicles);
• an engine that has been modified to increase its performance; and/or
• Some specific high performance vehicles, Porsches, BMWs etc.

Although Russell is right in saying you would most likely be granted an exemption. However, here's the best part, if you are driving the so called "high powered vehicle" at the request of your employer for work purposes you DO NOT require an exemption. This covers travel for work, but not travel to and from work. In this case you need to apply for an exemption with supporting documentation from your employer (form found here).

That said, I think you would be very unlucky to be pulled up in a 6CYL F-Truck and done for being a hoon or whatever the label is nowadays. If your concerns are with having it registered after being engineered and whatnot, I think the exemption form should keep the vicroads vultures at bay should they make a fuss about it.

(keep in mind all this only applies if you got your Ps after July 07. If you got them before then, your only concern is getting it engineered)

[StAndArdAU]

i dont understand how P-platers can afford these flash powerful cars?! (im talking about teenage p platers.) when i got my license in 2003 the best i could afford was a Toyota Corona CS-X. and i was working like a dog as well as doing year 12... maybe im just jealous.

Though, how long are p plates required to be held for these days? i had mine for two years.

[GORDZ]

p platers must hold them for 4 years now.

[tankclare]

Here in NSW p platers must hold them for 3 years. 1 year on red and 2 years on green.
Laws also state p platers before a certain date are allowed to drive v8s etc but if you got your license after the date you can't.