'Life ruined' by Customs porn confiscation

[Serial_Fool]

http://www.theage.com.au/travel/trav...0602-wymn.html


The acceleration of the nanny state is increasing at a monumental rate. Without immediate civil action regarding our rights we will be the sheep to be herded by politicians for the rest of this century.

Leftists, Communists, Free Marketers, Right wingers, Socialists...we are all in this together and we should put aside our petty differences in favor of defending what little liberty we have left.

Who is with me?

[Matty4]

is this all about???
Link no worky either.....

[Serial_Fool]

Thanks Matty4, link is working now.

[Franco Cozzo]

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/trav...0602-wymn.html

[gtxb67]

it is only legal to buy pornagraphic films/movies from the act or northern territory. there is very limited suppliers and i had thought the northern territory is mail order only. i believe there is one or two legal stores in canberra, but it is not legal to buy them from any other store
that means the nanny state has not taken over yet, because it is not too hard to find them in adult book stores

[Serial_Fool]

Originally Posted by gtxb67

it is only legal to buy pornagraphic films/movies from the act or northern territory. there is very limited suppliers and i had thought the northern territory is mail order only. i believe there is one or two legal stores in canberra, but it is not legal to buy them from any other store
that means the nanny state has not taken over yet, because it is not too hard to find them in adult book stores

The question isn't the acquirement of such material in Australia, it is the invasion of privacy on grounds on something that isn't illegal in the first place.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Serial_Fool

The question isn't the acquirement of such material in Australia, it is the invasion of privacy on grounds on something that isn't illegal in the first place.

Will be when SS Stephen Conroy introduces the net filter.

[cs123]

Originally Posted by gtxb67

it is only legal to buy pornagraphic films/movies from the act or northern territory. there is very limited suppliers and i had thought the northern territory is mail order only. i believe there is one or two legal stores in canberra, but it is not legal to buy them from any other store
that means the nanny state has not taken over yet, because it is not too hard to find them in adult book stores

It is quite legal to own it. There was a change to the inbound passenger card that asks if you have any porn now rather than objectionable material.

So now they can go through everything you own looking for playboy mags etc just to check if it's illegal

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by Serial_Fool

The question isn't the acquirement of such material in Australia, it is the invasion of privacy on grounds on something that isn't illegal in the first place.

maybe you know much more about the law than me, but to my knowledge it is only legal to purchase pornographic material for australian use by either going to the stores in canberra or by mail order in canberra or the northern territory
that to me would suggest that adult book stores or international purchases are not legal. the powers that be have turned a blind eye to these two outlets until recently (with international purchases at least)

[Bent8]

Originally Posted by Serial_Fool

http://www.theage.com.au/travel/trav...0602-wymn.html


The acceleration of the nanny state is increasing at a monumental rate. Without immediate civil action regarding our rights we will be the sheep to be herded by politicians for the rest of this century.

Leftists, Communists, Free Marketers, Right wingers, Socialists...we are all in this together and we should put aside our petty differences in favor of defending what little liberty we have left.

Who is with me?

Nothing to see here folks, move along now...

The totalitarian state is here to look after you and provide whatever they think you need...do not resist because we got all the guns!!

[RSgerry]

Originally Posted by cs123

It is quite legal to own it. There was a change to the inbound passenger card that asks if you have any porn now rather than objectionable material.

So now they can go through everything you own looking for playboy mags etc just to check if it's illegal

do they really expect anybody with illegal porn to own up? what a completely ridiculous idea. internet filter, getting people to admit to carrying porn at a crowded customs desk...what is this government going to think of next? the bottom inspectors have to be on the cards, just to make sure you have wiped properly.

[cs123]

Originally Posted by RSgerry

do they really expect anybody with illegal porn to own up? what a completely ridiculous idea. internet filter, getting people to admit to carrying porn at a crowded customs desk...what is this government going to think of next? the bottom inspectors have to be on the cards, just to make sure you have wiped properly.

What is more important is that people who own perfectly legal porn might me turned into criminals when, through embarrassment, they do not declare something totally legal to own.

http://www.sexparty.org.au/index.php...fle-travellers

[Dodge]

im in china right now, there is no porn to view at all, lucky the local girls are friendly

[Scott]

Geez, that comment about a bloke and his missus filming themselves doing whatever the hell they want, having to declaer it then sit through a viewing with some random customs officer is insane.

Can you for a moment fathom your wife carrying her laptop that may have had a racy video of you and her on it and having her be forced into sharing a viewing with customs??

I can just imagine the punch-ups now...

Then imagine the family man on holiday with his wife and kids, perhaps the mother inlaw aswell for good measure. He declares a vid or magazine in his bag and his laundry is aired for all and sundry to see.

Re-effing-diculous.

[uranium_death]

I'm over 18 and therefore I should be entitled to all the beer, smokes and porn I want.

I don't care about smokes, but the other two...well, that's just essential for staying sane.
Rudd's internet nanny system only guarantees that I'll tell him he's a ******** if I ever have the displeasure in meeting him in real life.

[Rodp]

I read the article and fail to see how his life was ruined because a hard disk that will likely be returned to him was confiscated to check some possible questionable material...?

Clearly it's to discourage the trafficking of video exploiting children but given that it doesn't need to be brought in on physical media, I'm failing to see the point of checking drive content in the first place.

[data_mine]

Originally Posted by gtxb67

it is only legal to buy pornagraphic films/movies from the act or northern territory. there is very limited suppliers and i had thought the northern territory is mail order only. i believe there is one or two legal stores in canberra, but it is not legal to buy them from any other store
that means the nanny state has not taken over yet, because it is not too hard to find them in adult book stores

Yeah, only two on each street.

Originally Posted by rodp

I read the article and fail to see how his life was ruined because a hard disk that will likely be returned to him was confiscated to check some possible questionable material...?

I travel for work, I'd be stuffed if my laptop/hdd was confiscated for any period of time.

It's an unjust and ineffective law. As already mentioned, if you want illegal porn, there's this new thing called the Internet, and NO filter can/will stop it.

[bdave351]

There has been an huge increase in arrests at the border in the last few years in the detection of kiddie porn and to a lesser extent terrorism promotion and other 'objectionable' stuff . (Im calling 4 or 500% offhand in the last few years)
(Yes on physical media Rodp.... people are dumb, and a lot of these people simply dont think in the same ways normal people do)

I have a feeling change to the question was done in the view of making prosecutions in that area easier.
However it seems to have been done by someone with absolutely no clue, planning or thoughts of its actual effects on both Customs and the travelling public.
And clearly no consultation with the people who actually enforce it, as its certainly not going to have a positive effect.... and most jurys these days arent going to beleive the guy who claims 'I didnt know it was there' when he comes back from a dodgy journey.



Im not going to go down the conspiracy theory religious nut K.Rudd path as I tend to think sheer incompetence from Kanberra is more likely..........
but I dont trust anyone like that in power as amply demonstrated in the disaster they are trying to foist on us in the internet censorship regieme.

[Poidevin]

It is discouraging to hear this happening, I'm going over to NZ in a month and was planning on taking my laptop with me guess I'll clean up the hard drive a bit first.

I do remember about 6 months ago reading an article that said that Australian customs were asking to have greater searching rights for checking incoming and outgoing portable media. They wanted to be able to confiscate MP3 players for a certain period of time to check for illegaly obtained music. Meaning they could take your MP3 player even if it didn't have any illegaly downloaded music on it.

[bdave351]

double post

[JazManXII]

basically if you work at customs you get to see all the good ****

[Scott]

Will be an interesting discussion when the customs guys don't have the neccessary clearances to check some of the HDDs or other media that'll go through...

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by data_mine

I travel for work, I'd be stuffed if my laptop/hdd was confiscated for any period of time.

But would your life be ruined? What if you had a hard disk failure?

[RG]

How else are they going to make sure there is no child pornography or any other illegal porn? Take your word for it?

As for it ruining bloko's life, someone seriously needs a missus.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by Rodp

But would your life be ruined? What if you had a hard disk failure?

agree.. build a bloody bridge and get over it.. sounds like this tool would burn the morning toast then reach for the razor blades.......

[Jack91]

Originally Posted by RG

How else are they going to make sure there is no child pornography or any other illegal porn? Take your word for it?

As for it ruining bloko's life, someone seriously needs a missus.

Maybe he has a lot of work or school stuff on there aswell.
This law is ludicrous though. Is it just for kiddie porn or any porn they will delete? What if someone has an ecrypted or passworded hard drive? Do they go to the effort of bringing in a specialist to get it open?
And whats "illegal porn" anyway, other than underage?
Personally Im not into any of that weird stuff but if people like the strange stuff then thats up to them. Ive never seen any horses complaining either.

[RG]

Originally Posted by DAVO_XR

Maybe he has a lot of work or school stuff on there aswell.
This law is ludicrous though. Is it just for kiddie porn or any porn they will delete? What if someone has an ecrypted or passworded hard drive? Do they go to the effort of bringing in a specialist to get it open?
And whats "illegal porn" anyway, other than underage?
Personally Im not into any of that weird stuff but if people like the strange stuff then thats up to them. Ive never seen any horses complaining either.

There was obviously something on there that was questionable, if there wasn't they wouldn't waste their time on it. They don't need to bring in a specialist, they have them quite readily on hand.

There is plenty of illegal porn out there, think rape etc.