VFACTS June 2019

**DFB FGXR6** · 03-07-2019, 05:42 PM

https://www.caradvice.com.au/771104/...sales-figures/

-Worst Junes sales since 2012

-Ford Numbers (7155, down 4.5 per cent, 6th place)
EcoSport - 39
Endura - 206
Escape - 335
Everest - 616
Falcon - 0
Fiesta - 0
Focus - 344
Mondeo - 51
Mustang - 369
Ranger 4x2 - 455
Ranger 4x4 - 4396
Territory - 0
Transit Custom - 238
Transit Heavy - 106

Everest seemed to have a good month as did Ranger 4x4 (Ford Ranger 4396, Toyota HiLux 3891). Mustang lead it segment.

**Fordman1** · 03-07-2019, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

https://www.caradvice.com.au/771104/...sales-figures/

-Worst Junes sales since 2012

-Ford Numbers (7155, down 4.5 per cent, 6th place)
EcoSport - 39
Endura - 206
Escape - 335
Everest - 616
Falcon - 0
Fiesta - 0
Focus - 344
Mondeo - 51
Mustang - 369
Ranger 4x2 - 455
Ranger 4x4 - 4396
Territory - 0
Transit Custom - 238
Transit Heavy - 106

Everest seemed to have a good month as did Ranger 4x4 (Ford Ranger 4396, Toyota HiLux 3891). Mustang lead it segment.

Looking at those numbers though DFB, Ranger is 4396 plus 455 which is 4851 not 4396.

BENT_8 · 03-07-2019, 06:14 PM

Well, looks like my prediction that Kia would take Ford again before Ford took 3rd spot didn't take long to come to fruition, that Mitsubishi leapt them both is of interest too.
That Triton is certainly making headway, i'm seeing them everywhere.

**DFB FGXR6** · 03-07-2019, 06:15 PM

4851 is total Ranger sales for the month (4x4 + 4x2)
For some reason VFACTS separates 4x2 and 4x4

BENT_8 · 03-07-2019, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Fordman1

Looking at those numbers though DFB, Ranger is 4396 plus 455 which is 4851 not 4396.

Where did he say 4396 was combined?

**Fordman1** · 03-07-2019, 06:42 PM

Those DMAX numbers which were supposedly heading for the heavens, are going really well

naddis01 · 03-07-2019, 06:50 PM

Toyota HiLux - 5396
Ford Ranger - 4851
Hyundai i30 - 3343
Toyota Corolla - 2911
Mazda CX-5 - 2911
Kia Cerato - 2832
Mitsubishi Triton - 2695
Mazda 3 - 2533
Toyota RAV4 - 2449
Hyundai Tucson - 2344
Mitsubishi ASX - 2206
Holden Colorado - 2149
Nissan X-Trail - 2148
Toyota Prado - 2045
Isuzu D-Max - 2027
Subaru Forester - 2014
Honda CR-V - 1987
Mitsubishi Outlander - 1892
Honda HR-V - 1769
Mazda CX-3 - 1708

naddis01 · 03-07-2019, 06:56 PM

June 2019 sales by brand:

Brand Sales Change
Toyota 21,200 -8.5%
Mazda 10,806 -13.3%
Hyundai 10,001 -4.2%
Mitsubishi 8891 -13.1%
Kia 7200 1.9%
Ford 7155 -4.5%
Honda 6232 -11.1%
Volkswagen 5793 -8.5%
Nissan 5514 -16.5%
Holden 4817 -34.8%
Subaru 4615 -6.2%
Mercedes-Benz Cars 3377 -10.4%
Isuzu Ute 2997 -8.6%
BMW 2505 -5.0%
Suzuki 1913 -5.5%
Land Rover 1218 -6.1%
Audi 1098 -45.9%
MG 1014 207.3%
Lexus 970 0.9%
Renault 880 -28.5%
Skoda 865 34.7%
LDV 803 30.4%
Volvo Car 795 23.6%
Mercedes-Benz Vans 673 -20.4%
Jeep 648 -26.7%
Porsche 456 15.4%
Peugeot 383 6.7%
MINI 301 -35.4%
Jaguar 273 -24.4%
RAM 262 >999%
Haval 186 313.3%
Great Wall 182 50.4%
Fiat Professional 102 -5.6%
Fiat 78 -31.6%
Alfa Romeo 75 -49.3%
Maserati 68 0.0%
Infiniti 62 -44.6%
Citroen 51 -40.7%
Chrysler 49 250.0%
Lamborghini 25 150.0%
Bentley 23 43.8%
Ferrari 18 -21.7%
Aston Martin 14 7.7%
McLaren 11 22.2%
Rolls-Royce 10 150.0%
Lotus 7 -30.0%
Alpine 3

BENT_8 · 03-07-2019, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fordman1

Those DMAX numbers which were supposedly heading for the heavens, are going really well

2027 units and its probably the most outdated dual cab on the market to be fair.

jpd80 · 03-07-2019, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

2027 units and its probably the most outdated dual cab on the market to be fair.

Ironically, the older Ranger gets, the better sales seem to become....
If only we could convince Ford to go after the $23,990 tradie 4x2 Ute.

Sarcasm here but,
maybe the reason Everest did better was because high price Endura made it look better value...
Seriously, what Ford DH approves a vehicle like this for our market knowing that it's getting canned in Europe..

Until Ford sorts Ford Europe, Ford Aust, can't even get a leg into the SUV conversation.
where's our hybrid Explorer/Puma/Escape?...where's our anything?

BENT_8 · 03-07-2019, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Ironically, the older Ranger gets, the better sales seem to become....

Still less than 12 months old though, and off a reduced RRP I believe.

jpd80 · 03-07-2019, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

Still less than 12 months old though, and off a reduced RRP I believe.

I meant that T6 Ranger is now 8 years old, I know that's relative
with Hilux and Colorado being even older under their make up...

It's all about the need for maturity of design and market familiarity
and trust, being reliable for more than a couple of years.

A lot of the jump in sales numbers no doubt linked to EOFY
so interesting to see what pull ahead of sales happens.
The tide can go out a long way........

GCRXR6 · 03-07-2019, 08:35 PM

��GM, what have you done to the big Aussie? Just barely Holden up.��

naddis01 · 03-07-2019, 08:52 PM

Hilux and Ranger both outsell Holden.

BENT_8 · 03-07-2019, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

I meant that T6 Ranger is now 8 years old, I know that's relative
with Hilux and Colorado being even older under their make up...

It's all about the need for maturity of design and market familiarity
and trust, being reliable for more than a couple of years.

A lot of the jump in sales numbers no doubt linked to EOFY
so interesting to see what pull ahead of sales happens.
The tide can go out a long way........

Sure, if your talking from a technical point of view then both Dmax and Ranger platforms are in that age bracket, but for the average punter the 2019 Dmax save for some minor cosmetic upgrades is hard to tell apart from a 2012 model whereas the Ranger is much fresher all round before we consider mechanical and technical advancements, its no wonder Dmax is due for replacement and with that in mind, 2000 sales is a fair result in a declining market against strong opposition.

jpd80 · 04-07-2019, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

Sure, if your talking from a technical point of view then both Dmax and Ranger platforms are in that age bracket, but for the average punter the 2019 Dmax save for some minor cosmetic upgrades is hard to tell apart from a 2012 model whereas the Ranger is much fresher all round before we consider mechanical and technical advancements, its no wonder Dmax is due for replacement and with that in mind, 2000 sales is a fair result in a declining market against strong opposition.

No argument from me regarding that but more chiming in on the fact that familiarity with a product that’s also seen as reliable and importantly in budget all factor into the package. I just look at $60k Rangers and think wow. That’s expensive so maybe a Ute for $50k or in the 40s is great value if it does what the buyers expect

Venomous1 · 04-07-2019, 05:07 AM

Is the Mustang steady or going down? The higher price hurting?

Still so many low K examples around so no shortages I gather.

BENT_8 · 04-07-2019, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

No argument from me regarding that but more chiming in on the fact that familiarity with a product that’s also seen as reliable and importantly in budget all factor into the package. I just look at $60k Rangers and think wow. That’s expensive so maybe a Ute for $50k or in the 40s is great value if it does what the buyers expect

Agreed, and this was my point when I first mentioned the Dmax picking up late last year, in a flattening economy and resultant declining market a sub $50k dual cab featuring an under stressed 3.0l diesel will make those looking for a reliable tug, take a second look, especially when features and complicated drivelines aren't necessarily worth the premium.
You only have to look at Kia's rise, that it coincides with dearer opposition in the same market is telling.

People will still want their new car, but are happy to consider the cheaper alternative.

EgoFG · 04-07-2019, 10:33 AM

If Hilux and Ranger had different model designations for 2wd vss 4wd, the largest selling vehicle last month was a Ford

..........Ranger......Hilux
Total......4851........5319
2x..........455........1503
4x.........4396........3814

This would see Ranger in #1 and Hilux in #2

vztrt · 04-07-2019, 10:42 AM

Seems Triton is back to normal. Still waiting for Amarok to be the big leader.

naddis01 · 04-07-2019, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

Agreed, and this was my point when I first mentioned the Dmax picking up late last year, in a flattening economy and resultant declining market a sub $50k dual cab featuring an under stressed 3.0l diesel will make those looking for a reliable tug, take a second look, especially when features and complicated drivelines aren't necessarily worth the premium.
You only have to look at Kia's rise, that it coincides with dearer opposition in the same market is telling.

People will still want their new car, but are happy to consider the cheaper alternative.

The thing is though, it's not picking up. The Dmax is down a greater percentage than Hilux and Ranger YTD this year compared to last year. It is down roughly 10% in June 19 compared to June 18. Looking at 4x4 only YTD, Ranger and Hilux are up very slightly while Dmax is down around 8%. Hilux outsells the Dmax 3:1.

prydey · 04-07-2019, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

People will still want their new car, but are happy to consider the cheaper alternative.

unless you are needing a car for specific duties the cheaper alternative options these days are actually pretty good cars. The Koreans have well and truly caught up, and many would say passed, the traditional 'safe' brands.
Toyota still seem to have their reputation to take to the bank but for the life of me I just can't figure out how they do it. They offer the worst warranties and the least features and often the lowest tech, and still walk out on top. Clearly this says 'peace of mind' is a major factor for buyers.
Having said that, the cars coming out of Mazda, Hyundai, Kia and even Nissan and Mitsi are all pretty good value. Of course they all have pro's and cons, but the point is, if you aren't brand loyal, there is more than enough choice in the market to find a good value car without paying a premium for a certain badge. The warranties are normally among the best as well.

anything less than 5yr warranty these days I wouldn't even bother with.

vfacts to me says more about the market place, and the buyer, than it does about the health of any manufacturer.

BENT_8 · 04-07-2019, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by naddis01

The thing is though, it's not picking up. The Dmax is down a greater percentage than Hilux and Ranger YTD this year compared to last year. It is down roughly 10% in June 19 compared to June 18. Looking at 4x4 only YTD, Ranger and Hilux are up very slightly while Dmax is down around 8%. Hilux outsells the Dmax 3:1.

The entire market is down 9.8% YTD compared to last year so that's not surprising but looking back to June 2018 Ranger sold 4768 combined, 12 months later and with major upgrades in mechanical and safety it has only just topped that by 83 units with reduced RRP.
The Dmax which is due a major overhaul next year is down 196 units on 2018 but still selling in decent numbers considering.
I never claimed it would ever push either Hilux or Ranger for the top spot, or even get close, bt it is certainly not doing too bad considering it only sold only 600 less than the brand new Triton of which it is probably better compared to.

Smoke Pursuit · 04-07-2019, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

Agreed, and this was my point when I first mentioned the Dmax picking up late last year, in a flattening economy and resultant declining market a sub $50k dual cab featuring an under stressed 3.0l diesel will make those looking for a reliable tug, take a second look, especially when features and complicated drivelines aren't necessarily worth the premium.
You only have to look at Kia's rise, that it coincides with dearer opposition in the same market is telling.

People will still want their new car, but are happy to consider the cheaper alternative.

Not really when you can buy a 3.2 XLS for low 40's (newer tech, better driveline).

I cant understand why people buy cheaper utes with more bling for the same price as lower spec Rangers.

Fords biggest problem with Ranger for the last 8 years has been supply. In the early days it was Wildtrak and XLT, you could have to wait up to 3 - 6 months for either. Now its an issue with 4x2 product, Ford just dont support Ranger in 4x2 guise, they don't build enough or stock enough and they never do campaigns on them.

BENT_8 · 04-07-2019, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

Not really when you can buy a 3.2 XLS for low 40's (newer tech, better driveline).

I cant understand why people buy cheaper utes with more bling for the same price as lower spec Rangers.

Got a link, cheapest auto XLS I could find was 50k for the Sport, against the Dmax for 46k in LS-U form.

Value for money i'd say, people only care about gadgets and warranty.

hayseed · 04-07-2019, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by EgoFG

If Hilux and Ranger had different model designations for 2wd vss 4wd, the largest selling vehicle last month was a Ford

..........Ranger......Hilux
Total......4851........5319
2x..........455........1503
4x.........4396........3814

This would see Ranger in #1 and Hilux in #2

If Ford gave the 2WD Ranger some more Promotion, They'd knock the Thailux off It's pedestal, & stand a good chance of building some future Brand Loyalty....

naddis01 · 04-07-2019, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

The entire market is down 9.8% YTD compared to last year so that's not surprising but looking back to June 2018 Ranger sold 4768 combined, 12 months later and with major upgrades in mechanical and safety it has only just topped that by 83 units with reduced RRP.
The Dmax which is due a major overhaul next year is down 196 units on 2018 but still selling in decent numbers considering.
I never claimed it would ever push either Hilux or Ranger for the top spot, or even get close, bt it is certainly not doing too bad considering it only sold only 600 less than the brand new Triton of which it is probably better compared to.

I may have misunderstood your post but to me you seemed to be implying that the Dmax was picking up compared to its more expensive competitors. I simply picked 2 of the more popular competitors which were more expensive and compared them. To which the Dmax was in fact not picking up at all, but doing worse.

I'm not sure where you got the 196 unit figure from. Using Russ' figures, it is closer to 500 down YTD which doesn't sound much but because it is coming of a low base the percentage is higher.

Edit: I guess the 196 is for the month of June. That is about 10%. I believe the LCV market is down 7%.

Syndrome · 04-07-2019, 03:57 PM

With the uncertainty of the Federal election having passed and the first rate cut by the RBA at the start of June, it seems like neither of these had any impact to lift car sales.

Holden 'winners'

Acadia - 331
Astra - 219
Colorado 4x2 - 172
Colorado 4x4 - 1977
Commodore - 550
Equinox - 679
Trailblazer - 207
Trax - 682

Syndrome · 04-07-2019, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

-Worst Junes sales since 2012

June 2012 sales were 112,566 versus 117,817 for this year.

https://www.fcai.com.au/news/index/i...ll/article/307

BENT_8 · 04-07-2019, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by naddis01

I may have misunderstood your post but to me you seemed to be implying that the Dmax was picking up compared to its more expensive competitors. I simply picked 2 of the more popular competitors which were more expensive and compared them. To which the Dmax was in fact not picking up at all, but doing worse.

Yes picking up was probably a poor choice of words, however, it was with regards to my statement made in December which was based on feedback given to me by an Isuzu salesman and therefore only relevant to his month to month figures, I guess a broader statement for accuracy would be holding its own all things considered in a declining market.
There are so many facets to the new car market its difficult to encompass them all when commenting on trends.