Australia Will Suffer Without Auto Manufacturing- Alan Mulallay

[Adamz Ghia]

http://www.news.com.au/finance/busin...-1226802590442

You don't really know what you have till it's gone. Never been truer in this instance.

[barnz_xr8]

aint that the truth

[rancidpunx]

Doom and gloom about the loss of manufacturing but on the bright side a nice article about Ford towards the end.

[Wretched]

He has a point but I think there is more to it than just government policy. The manufacturers and the government need to work together.
Doesn't help when the primary (only) product you develop has had a nose dive in sales over the last few years.

[Boss_340]

Watch this Australia Day the un Australians with there Aussie flags on there cheap imported cars, so sad.

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by Boss_340

Watch this Australia Day the un Australians with there Aussie flags on there cheap imported cars, so sad.

I am no fan of the flag waving thing, just a simple acknowledgement is good enough for me.

But to call someone un Australian for buying an imported car is a bit rich don't you think? Someone can be proud of being Australian without having to purchase a Falcon or Commodore.

[ryeman]

We are a free market experiment being watched by the big trading countries.
Sovereignty is also a tradable commodity now it seems.
Feel 'comfortable' in this experiment and take what's given to you as you are buffeted by 'market forces' ....yo'll have a nice day now!

[Burnout]

Originally Posted by barnz_xr8

aint that the truth

Careful, Dowling wrote it, the lying hound!

[strobe]

Originally Posted by Wretched

I am no fan of the flag waving thing, just a simple acknowledgement is good enough for me.

But to call someone un Australian for buying an imported car is a bit rich don't you think? Someone can be proud of being Australian without having to purchase a Falcon or Commodore.

My brother sent me a pic of a great wall decked out in southern cross/you flew here i grew here/eureka flag/if you don't like it go back to your own country stickers. Made me laugh.

[ryeman]

Originally Posted by strobe

My brother sent me a pic of a great wall decked out in southern cross/you flew here i grew here/eureka flag/if you don't like it go back to your own country stickers. Made me laugh.

That's Bob Katter's 'schtick', I get the impression he would like to wind back 'multiculturalism'.

[Silver Ghia]

Originally Posted by ryeman

We are a free market experiment being watched by the big trading countries.
Sovereignty is also a tradable commodity now it seems.
Feel 'comfortable' in this experiment and take what's given to you as you are buffeted by 'market forces' ....yo'll have a nice day now!

This all happened years ago in the UK. Hardly an experiment.

Although they still have some (but limited) automotive manufacture.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by Silver Ghia

This all happened years ago in the UK. Hardly an experiment.

Although they still have some (but limited) automotive manufacture.

Exactly, and given our example used a car that surely sold in much lower numbers to that of anything produced in the UK goes to show that the writing as been on the wall for a very long time.

Being unAustralian for the car you buy..LOL..maybe because the economy is falling apart and people can afford the extra $10k for a falcon/commodore to a comparable mid-sizer that fills most peoples needs...

[mik]

Originally Posted by Wretched

I am no fan of the flag waving thing, just a simple acknowledgement is good enough for me.

But to call someone un Australian for buy imported car is a bit rich don't you think? Someone can be proud of being Australian without having to purchase a Falcon or Commodore.

I'll go the other way on the flag waving , I don't think we do enough of it, these days with the multi cultural thing happening you see it mentioned in the media on occasion some ethnic groups seem offended by it(tuff bickies to them).

Getting back to the unaustralian bit for buying a foreign car over an aussie car,
im firm in my belief that decades ago there where more true blue aussies and many of them would have almost had a fit at not supporting australia and buying aussie stuff ............including cars .

Maybe im wrong but I like the idea of putting yourself out for your country a little bit even if many like myself cant actively do it a lot of the time because of lack of funds,
but im a realist we are a different country today, attitudes are different, we are more materialistic and more about looking after number one, me included I suppose.

Im sure there are many families here on the forum where the parents spoiled the kids and then the kids of their kids because they did not want them to go through the hardships the oldies went through in the old days.
Of this I have no doubt we have become a country a little bit soft and selfish up to a point, and in my view we might pay or are paying a price already for not being as selfless as our parents and grand parents where.
At the very least our politicians should be pushing buy australian ........... instead of the deathly silence........... screw the fta.
I might add I totally agree with Mr Mullalay.

[Boss_340]

Originally Posted by Wretched

I am no fan of the flag waving thing, just a simple acknowledgement is good enough for me.

But to call someone un Australian for buying an imported car is a bit rich don't you think? Someone can be proud of being Australian without having to purchase a Falcon or Commodore.

You missed out on Toyota, made here.
Buy Australian and support YOUR country!
WE are now the dumping ground for all the imported rubbish, i.e. SKODA etc.

[ryeman]

Originally Posted by Silver Ghia

This all happened years ago in the UK. Hardly an experiment.

Although they still have some (but limited) automotive manufacture.

I'm more concerned about the sell off of our resources and in particular energy to transnational shareholders.
The poms haven't lost their vehicle manufacturing 'capability', but we're on track to lose the 'ability'.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by Boss_340

You missed out on Toyota, made here.
Buy Australian and support YOUR country!
WE are now the dumping ground for all the imported rubbish, i.e. SKODA etc.

Really, I think you will find all models sold in Oz are sold in other countries.

AND THATS THE POINT.

The Falcon was not, the Commodore was "given" a chance and thats not bolding well either. So blame the companies for not integrating the products into their portfolio, also blame the Gov a little for making the decision easy for them aswell.

The LAST person you can blame is the buying public, "build it and they will come" works when the product being built is perceived to have value.

[Maka]

Kiwikilda's post from my thread "Gm asked to give up Holden brand name", pretty appropriate here imo -

You would think that with Australia with a Technical Edge
and Leadership shown by Drivers like Hulme and Brabham
a real instead of a "Pretend" Australian Brand or Marque could be formed

The Truth is it is technical political and ideological subservience that is the "issue"

Australia should be designing and manufacturing it's own military equipment on shore as well " Like it used to"

To use an example
Review "The Diggers Darling" the australian made and designed
Owen Submachine gun and the story behind that

delaying its production is estimated as costing 20,000 australian lives
and when soemone does something superior here there is that
patronising stupidity that we should take all our lead from "offshore"
Brands are one thing

Aus made Holdens and Fords were great Cars

I don't think when it comes to manufacturing and its real importance
people fail to realise the course they are setting for this Country?

The Owen Submachine Gun and the Repco Brabham
are my two favourites of Australian industrial Design

The story behind them is as important as the technical superiority they had for their time

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owen_Gun

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brabham_BT24

http://youtu.be/Km65jQdT8V8

Formula 1: Nurburgring 1967 Race Review

What went wrong? Was that not enough of an example?

You can only create and environment for manufacturing when you
are a "technical nationalist" and "patriot"

Our political leaders will whine about branding while ignoring
all the hurdles they put up

and the focus in western society is on bribing with welfare for votes
instead of tax breaks for "Research and Development" on shore

[irish2]

Originally Posted by Boss_340

Watch this Australia Day the un Australians with there Chinese made Aussie flags on there cheap imported cars, so sad.

Fixed that for you.

[ryeman]

Flight Data Recorder (CSIRO) and one could go on....
Once you lose manufacturing capacity and capability you are more likely to lose design capability as well and much less R&D......it's a slippery slope that the white collar brigade have set us on IMO.

[Road_Warrior]

Calling people un-Australian for having an Australian flag on their car on Oz day is going a bit too far I think, but I can see the irony. Especially as those flags are probably made in bloody china!

[ryeman]

Originally Posted by Maka

Kiwikilda's post from my thread "Gm asked to give up Holden brand name", pretty appropriate here imo -

You would think that with Australia with a Technical Edge
and Leadership shown by Drivers like Hulme and Brabham
a real instead of a "Pretend" Australian Brand or Marque could be formed

The Truth is it is technical political and ideological subservience that is the "issue"

Australia should be designing and manufacturing it's own military equipment on shore as well " Like it used to"

To use an example
Review "The Diggers Darling" the australian made and designed
Owen Submachine gun and the story behind that

delaying its production is estimated as costing 20,000 australian lives
and when soemone does something superior here there is that
patronising stupidity that we should take all our lead from "offshore"
Brands are one thing

Aus made Holdens and Fords were great Cars

I don't think when it comes to manufacturing and its real importance
people fail to realise the course they are setting for this Country?

The Owen Submachine Gun and the Repco Brabham
are my two favourites of Australian industrial Design

The story behind them is as important as the technical superiority they had for their time

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owen_Gun

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brabham_BT24

http://youtu.be/Km65jQdT8V8

Formula 1: Nurburgring 1967 Race Review

What went wrong? Was that not enough of an example?

You can only create and environment for manufacturing when you
are a "technical nationalist" and "patriot"

Our political leaders will whine about branding while ignoring
all the hurdles they put up

and the focus in western society is on bribing with welfare for votes
instead of tax breaks for "Research and Development" on shore

Maybe they were the days when we truly were a 'sovereign nation' and had to fight for everything and invested in our own country as opposed to the 'quick fix' of international financiers who ultimately pull the strings and end up effectively 'running the joint'.

[GASWAGON]

The same thing is happening here as what happened to the U.S and Oz too in the 70's when Japanese manufacturers started making reliable, cheap, efficient cars.

Today its China/Korea etc making the cheap cars except the cars ar'nt as good as the Japanese stuff.

I love my Fords, But if only they could make cars as reliable as the Japs then they wouldn't have that 'Fords are crap' reputation.

But then again as stated by the CEO's is its 'just too expensive' in Oz.

There its done and its over......Move on and maybe buy an imported U.S Ford instead to show your support.

[foxtrot3]

Hi. So Alan says Australia will suffer without auto manufacturing, just like we suffer low prices on electronic goods for the same reasons, no tariffs, no industry to prop up and worldwide competition driving down prices and yet we do still have a specialist electronics industry in Australia that thrives on the global stage. If Ford motor co were worried about Australia every car in their showroom would have been made here for the last 30 years. Cheers MD

[ryeman]

^^^so long as the electronics industry doesn't need a local manufacturer to liaise with.
Without an industry it must surely make things more difficult.

[castellan]

Originally Posted by ryeman

That's Bob Katter's 'schtick', I get the impression he would like to wind back 'multiculturalism'.

Your impression is false, Bob Katter racial background is multicultural.

But as for people who just want to use a nation as a dumping ground ?well one may voice their democratic rights for the moment, the time being, well sort of but as for the PC nazi's pushing us around nowadays telling us what to think.
But maybe just maybe we should all be for a change of the Australian name as it does not represent what we were any more, does it ?
In the future from what i can see is, we do have people now trying to be pushing the line, so we will end up not having the States or Territories in Australia. and there is more to as what this PC nazi lot are pushing, the next is no national borders and just one world one govenment. it saves a lot of money is one of the main points to suck you in with, just like a argument they use with the State governments. Hitler would be proud of them.
But the problem is you end up with a dictatorship, not that that's a problem for the people who push it as they are all for dictatorship. it's all planned it's a done deal to them.
Any govenment that stands back watching it's own industries fall is just a traitor to it's people. it's not just the car industry it's everything that it just does not support or help, fishing farmers etc etc.
We are on track to becoming a 3rd world nation, just a backward bunch of yobbos a delinquent bunch of brats that ****ed everything we had up against the wall for just a load of bullshit.

[ryeman]

Originally Posted by castellan

Your impression is false, Bob Katter racial background is multicultural.

But as for people who just want to use a nation as a dumping ground ?well one may voice their democratic rights for the moment, the time being, well sort of but as for the PC nazi's pushing us around nowadays telling us what to think.
But maybe just maybe we should all be for a change of the Australian name as it does not represent what we were any more, does it ?
In the future from what i can see is, we do have people now trying to be pushing the line, so we will end up not having the States or Territories in Australia. and there is more to as what this PC nazi lot are pushing, the next is no national borders and just one world one govenment. it saves a lot of money is one of the main points to suck you in with, just like a argument they use with the State governments. Hitler would be proud of them.
But the problem is you end up with a dictatorship, not that that's a problem for the people who push it as they are all for dictatorship. it's all planned it's a done deal to them.
Any govenment that stands back watching it's own industries fall is just a traitor to it's people. it's not just the car industry it's everything that it just does not support or help, fishing farmers etc etc.
We are on track to becoming a 3rd world nation, just a backward bunch of yobbos a delinquent bunch of brats that ****ed everything we had up against the wall for just a load of bullshit.

I'm basing it on an email an ex Vietnam veteran sent me showing me a Katter rant about Muslims and how they should adopt 'our' ways etc......
Not the least bit in agreement .....very divisive IMO.

[GASWAGON]

I use a another non car based forum and some on ther don't believe the Oz economy will be effected very much and Real Estate will keep booming and people will just buy imports.

I am completely the opposite and think its going to do some serious damage with not just the factory workers loosing ther jobs but all the suppliers and the truck drivers that deliver the parts/cars aswell so transport will suffer aswell.

Its the non car/motoringenthusiasts consumers that just don't seem to understand the implications....They don't really understand what it takes to design and make a car.

Ford/Holden have been building cars in this country for 60 years supporting the economy and consumers. In a few years that will all be finished.

I just don't know whats really going to happen and frankly I am VERY CONCERNED just like I am and 'Ryeman' also about the entire LPG conversion industry going down if something is not done soon about pump prices.

Where are all these people going to find new jobs after being in one industry for years and years???

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by Boss_340

Watch this Australia Day the un Australians with there Aussie flags on there cheap imported cars, so sad.

So im not oztrayn despite being born here and lived here all my life. Because I own an imported Ford that was hardly cheap.
Kool theory

[Bill M]

The British motor manufacturing industry is doing reasonably well so scotch those misleading impressions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automot...United_Kingdom

Mulally is right, after all he is a mover and shaker in that very industry, a far cry from the armchair commentators that proliferate cyberworld.

[bobthebilda]

I have reread the article a few times, and not once in it does it quote mulally saying what the thread title says "Australia will suffer without auto manufacturing". AUTO manufacturing is only a small part of manufacturing in Australia, and is an even smaller section of the total economy.