Perspective on States and fine revenue.

[Outbackjack]

http://www.news.com.au/money/cost-of...-1226756866106

Interesting read..... Now tell me again how its not all about revenue.... It's to keep us all safe.....

[Crazy Dazz]

Great, Colin Barnett just read that article and is rubbing his hands with glee. Watch WA’s penalty unit increase to be in line with other states.

To be honest, I don’t care about the size of the fines, more about the areas they target. For the police, it’s NOT about revenue, but it IS about KPIs. So they would rather place a speed camera where it will get 100 hits, than where it will get 10. Our local council (which is composed entirely of idiots) decided to realign a bunch of roads so that we now have a major highway running past our school, and half the kids have to cross this road without even guard or crosswalk. I’d be happy to see a speed camera There every moring.

One of my pet peeves is when they are doing work on the freeway. The workers are protected by a concrete barrier, yet suddenly drivers (who can be trusted to drive at 110kph on some gravel goat-track in the bush) must be slowed down to 60kph to drive on a multi-lane dual carriageway with clearly marked lanes and abundant lighting.

[rancidpunx]

Queensland Police have been told in the past that they have to move speed cameras if they are getting low numbers. Its completely about revenue. There will still be the bores that claim "Dont speed, dont get a fine", tell that to the 3000+ people that got done in on week in the Clem 7, not speeding.

[mik]

90% revenue .......... 10 % safety

[EDManual]

They really should not have points to go with speed tickets. They'd make more money as speeding is not dangerous in 99.999% of cases.

[Auslandau]

1.84 billion this financial year in fines country wide with a disproportionate amount in Vic. Safety .... That's what it's all about.

And for those that are not interested in contributing in the topic, either do so or just leave smart arsed comments at the door. Of course there are both sides to the argument and everyone is allowed to state their opinions which I am sure they will be questioned from both sides

[MAD]

This is why I want to see a push from every motorist to get the various state govs to relocate the earnings from consolidated revenue to a fund that MUST use it for road initiatives.
If there is excess, then find more initiatives to spend it on.

If the gov can't use it for "research trips" then maybe they won't 'budget' for it.

[lucas2]

When you see the numbers compared to elsewhere, as described in the article, this all becomes a serious joke. This is getting ridiculous.

What gets me is, if the cameras were doing as they were "intended" to (STOP "speeding" and increase road safety), then how can the government predict an increase in revenue??? They clearly are not saving lives.

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by rancidpunx

Queensland Police have been told in the past that they have to move speed cameras if they are getting low numbers. Its completely about revenue.

No, as you have just stated, it is about numbers.

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by MAD

This is why I want to see a push from every motorist to get the various state govs to relocate the earnings from consolidated revenue to a fund that MUST use it for road initiatives.
If there is excess, then find more initiatives to spend it on.

If the gov can't use it for "research trips" then maybe they won't 'budget' for it.

I think that might be one of the motoring enthusiasts party policies. They have a senator now. But I don't think that he can do much at a state level. But he might be able to bring the rort that it is to the public conciseness.

[xxx000]

Worked up over a news limited article
Honestly it's like believing the claims made on talk back radio

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by xxx000

Worked up over a news limited article
Honestly it's like believing the claims made on talk back radio

"Worked up"? what are ya gonna do? Beat us with your batten? tazer us????

Either the numbers are correct or they are not. If you are telling us they are wrong please quote your source.....

[BHDOGS]

Originally Posted by Outbackjack

"Worked up"? what are ya gonna do? Beat us with your batten? tazer us????

Either the numbers are correct or they are not. If you are telling us they are wrong please quote your source.....

batten and tazer you? this isnt syria

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by Outbackjack

Either the numbers are correct or they are not. If you are telling us they are wrong please quote your source.....

Yes .... would like to know too? Figures stated as fact but if they are not correct, what would the correct revenue amounts be?

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

And just how are fines and road rules in other parts of the world relevant to fines and road rules here??

In some countries you can still buy guns in a convenience store and raping and beating your spouse is legal and acceptable behaviour, so do we want to bring those rules here as well??

Nothing but sensationalist news reporting, taking stuff out of context and beating it up to incite the un educated.

Fine revenue is nothing but a 'Voluntary Contribution' to Government funding, however I choose not to contribute and it's not a difficult thing to do

[Auslandau]

Comparisons aren't really that valid for us here but I suppose they are trying to draw a comparisons from countries with a similar system to ours.

Being sensationalist on news stories is the done thing.... it just takes the educated to see through this though. Does that take away the fact of the amount raised and budgeted for? As that is what the story is basically about apart from some other outdated legislation. Not that speeding is right or wrong?

And by the way ......

In some countries you can still buy guns in a convenience store and raping and beating your spouse is legal and acceptable behaviour, so do we want to bring those rules here as well??

isn't being a tad sensationalist yourself? Think you better get to know the Canadian way of life a and system a but better ......

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

Does that take away the fact of the amount raised and budgeted for?

That to me just proves how stupid and predicatable human beings are, so predictable that the Governmnet can budget on the fact that X amount off $$ will be raised (Voluntarily Contributed), by the Australian Public.

It's sad really for the Australian population as a whole

[MAD]

The system is supposed to slow people down in the name of safety. If its raising more and more money then it's clearly not slowing people down. AKA: not working. But it makes money so it will stay, safety or not.

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by MAD

The system is supposed to slow people down in the name of safety. If its raising more and more money then it's clearly not slowing people down.

But has anyone worked out why this is the case?? I have no answer.

And what would be a better approach to manage the issue at hand?? The perceived issue in this case being people not following road rules/laws.

I see a lot of people (especially here) complaining about the revenue raised, the problem I can see is that if the money does not come from road fines, it will need to come from some other place.

As long as it comes from road fines I still have a choice not to contribute.

[MAD]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

But has anyone worked out why this is the case?? I have no answer.

I suspect because the tolerances are simply too tight and they are catching a short lapse in speedo concentration, and/or the current speed limits for the roads are not adequate.

If a heap of people are breaking a law maybe it's the law that needs revision.

[burnz]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

But has anyone worked out why this is the case?? I have no answer.

And what would be a better approach to manage the issue at hand?? The perceived issue in this case being people not following road rules/laws.

I see a lot of people (especially here) complaining about the revenue raised, the problem I can see is that if the money does not come from road fines, it will need to come from some other place.

As long as it comes from road fines I still have a choice not to contribute.

when the revenue slow they move the goal post, road rule change every week and or added to.

not every one has the time to keep up with the latest publication,
and if you do read the book,, tell me where the silly rules make things safer?

[superyob]

Boring, boring, boring, tiresome, pointless and boring...

[Trump]

Originally Posted by superyob

Boring, boring, boring, tiresome, pointless and boring...

What are you doing posting here, go back to watching Australia's Got the Big Brother Factor.

Oh how the "government" loves attitudes like yours.

[chevypower]

Of course it's about revenue and control. The public won't buy policies about revenue and control, but they will buy into "safety." You can sell anything when you promise safety, that's what dodgy security system salesmen do.

[GCRXR6]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

No, as you have just stated, it is about numbers.

Correct Dazz ... If the numbers are low in one particular area, obviously the drivers are behaving. Time to move to an area where others are not.

If you don't like the revenue raising, don't contribute. I have done, but, no more from me thanks .. I can buy a lot of Meguires product with the savings.

[Spurious]

Originally Posted by xxx000

Worked up over a news limited article
Honestly it's like believing the claims made on talk back radio

Would we hear more "truth" by listening to a scanner?

You're a party to this revenue raising everytime you hide behind a tree & point a laser.

Imagine if NO-ONE got fined. That's a news story I'd like to hear!

[mik]

It is not just about contributing or not contributing, it is about getting value for money with the current safety rhetoric, as i have said before in previous posts, pinging someone with a camera be it hidden or not for having a momentary lapse of concentration from a murderous 4 or 5 k's over the limit(that's sarcasm) while actually driving in a safe manner probably doesn't do a whole lot for these drivers except make them more speedo paranoid ,and in some cases worse drivers.

Yet the real ratbags /career speeders that know where the cameras are and do drive like ratbags are not getting pinged..................... because of the mentality that camera's will fix every thing we need less police on the road and more camera's(ie, more revenue).
I can speak a bit from experience here , because as my step father would put it, i was a "tear ***" as young bloke.
I did a run to Bachus marsh yesterday from Melbourne north, for those not familiar it is a fairly short run from my home in busy suburbia northern Melbourne via a bit of suburbia freeway, then out then out on a pretty decent highway/freeway then on a short stint single lane lane road to a country town, probably a bit less than an hours trip , i did not see many police, did not see many drivers exceeding the speed limit by much,

but i was positively frightened at times, (trying to find the right word), "mortified" by the actions of a lot of drivers that did stuff in among st traffic that even as a young "tear ***" i would never have done,

in parts of Melbourne it was like i was driving in a foreign country where you expect drivers to cut across 3 or 4 lanes of traffic abruptly often with out indicating and on the knives edge of causing accidents,
seriously how on gods green earth is a camera or a bigger fine going to help these people?

i might add also there was the usual dudes sitting in the fast lane frustrating ly sitting 5 or 10 k's below the limit, creating havoc as other drivers with a time table where trying to get around them,
again how is having bigger fines for people making the odd mistake by drifting over the limit, or even just cruising a tad over the limit in safe manner going to stop the career erratic buggers out there or the the people that just have bad road skills??

how is having LESS police on the road showing a presence................ actually pulling people up in real time when they show poor driving skills going to correct these drivers lack of road skills/attitude?

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by FlivverFord

You're a party to this revenue raising everytime you hide behind a tree & point a laser.

Imagine if NO-ONE got fined. That's a news story I'd like to hear!

Why are you blaming the person enforcing the rules rather than the person breaking them on the first place???

Now imagine if everyone drove within the rules......then no one would be fined.

I have been driving for over 25 years and have never once received a fine without doing anything wrong, have also been let off with a warning plenty of times when I had done something wrong. I drive about 4-5000km every months and have no issue keeping to the speed limit.

I would suggest anyone that is unable to do so and is suggesting that it is just too hard to do should probably be catching a bus anyway

[xxx000]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

Why are you blaming the person enforcing the rules rather than the person breaking them on the first place???

Now imagine if everyone drove within the rules......then no one would be fined.

I have been driving for over 25 years and have never once received a fine without doing anything wrong, have also been let off with a warning plenty of times when I had done something wrong. I drive about 4-5000km every months and have no issue keeping to the speed limit.

I would suggest anyone that is unable to do so and is suggesting that it is just too hard to do should probably be catching a bus anyway

spot on advice

[lucas2]

The "rules" are not always there to serve the best interest of the public, but instead the government's agenda. Each year we are slowly getting more money taken away from us i.e. increase in fine revenue..and our "rights" are slowly disappearing to.