2022 Ranger and Everest ideas from CarExpert

[Bossxr8]

https://fordauthority.com/2021/07/20...h-touchscreen/

That’s huge.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

https://fordauthority.com/2021/07/20...h-touchscreen/

That’s huge.

Sync 4. It was always going to be updated.

Not a big fan of the mechanical volume control dial in the middle of the screen but its not a deal breaker either.

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by jpd80

missing part of the puzzle has always been that excess of power and torque that a good percentage of those +$60k Ute buyers crave.

do you have any evidence at all to support that statement, other than the rantings of some of the people on this forum?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by simon varley

do you have any evidence at all to support that statement, other than the rantings of some of the people on this forum?

DS RAM 1500 sales

[XR Martin]

If people didn't want more power then how would you explain such a large aftermarket tuning market?

[naddis01]

Originally Posted by simon varley

do you have any evidence at all to support that statement, other than the rantings of some of the people on this forum?

All the people that put down a deposit on the rumour of a V8 Ranger Raptor.

[au2000]

I’m not much of a twin cab fan admittedly but even now as I’m beginning to plan to move into the segment in the next 4 years or so I’ll admit the only one I’m thinking of is the RAM.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by simon varley

do you have any evidence at all to support that statement, other than the rantings of some of the people on this forum?

Maybe it's because there is no option we don't get marketing feedback to the companies and so a product is not offered. Plus which companies research buyers that chose not to buy their product and how do they even get that data base?

We know that the Ranger sells a high proportion of high-end versions and hence higher profit.
Hypothetical:
Now lets say the XLT and Wildtrak come with a standard 157kW I4 diesel and optional 185kW V6 diesel and Raptor standard with 185kW V6 diesel and optional 245kW Petrol V6 turbo.
If for XLT/Wildtrak the hi-po diesel is a $2500 option and for Raptor the petrol is a $2500 option how do you think powertrain model mix would go?

[Falcon SXR8]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

If people didn't want more power then how would you explain such a large aftermarket tuning market?

I wouldnt think there is a large percentage of them getting tuned, they sell thousands a month, most would stay stock and doodle around the city. Some get tuned and that gets them going a lot better. Brothers got a tune only dmax it makes 200hp and 500ish nm to the wheels, it moves out very well. I certainly wouldnt want more in a crappy handaling ute.

Each to there own though

[FPV8U]

There are plenty of potential duel cab buyers out there that aren’t sold on pure work horse powertrains, I don’t really tow much if at all, our Territory has had something bigger than a 6x4 trailer behind it once in the last 5 years.

While diesel is efficient it’s also as boring as it comes, even the 3L V6 diesel after watching reviews for F150 will likely be a great engine for those that use these things are work utes and tow vehicles all the time there are those of us out there that would enjoy something that a little more enjoyable, the 2.7L EB would be great for this while maintaining good economy.

Im likely going to be looking for a Duel Cab 4x4 in about 12 months and an XLT level Ranger with EB would tick a lot of boxes for me while maintaining the ability to tow if required.

[Vesper Martini]

From my own experience high Torque diesels keep them at low RPM where they should be.
This vastly improves the way they drive & feel, and I believe contributes to using less fuel.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

DS RAM 1500 sales

You mean the vehicle that sells as many in one year, as the Ranger and Hilux sell in about 2 weeks?

I love how people keep pointing out how "popular" the Rams are, and they sell about 250-300 a month. A tiny fraction of what the smaller utes sell.

Not that I disagree there is a market for bigger engined utes, just that people really need to put the numbers in perspective.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

You mean the vehicle that sells as many in one year, as the Ranger and Hilux sell in about 2 weeks?

I love how people keep pointing out how "popular" the Rams are, and they sell about 250-300 a month. A tiny fraction of what the smaller utes sell.

Not that I disagree there is a market for bigger engined utes, just that people really need to put the numbers in perspective.

That's 250-300x a month in sales you aren't getting, that are high value sales - those cars START at $80K onwards.

Further context around those cars - it's a vehicle that's not offered in our market by the manufacturer, that's a reworked import with limited dealer network and support, that's still selling 250-300/month at pricing going well into six figures. How many you reckon they'd sell of RAM 1500 if they were $50K and factory RHD with bigger dealer network and support?

Sure it's not big in the grand scheme of things, but either were MG and look where they sit on the monthly sales, selling a range that everyone else turned their back on because it 'wasn't worth it'.

How many if those 250-300x month you reckon you'll take back off them if 2.7L EB was available in Ranger and priced around the $70K-$80K mark as a 'hero' model? Like Raptor but not off-road focus.

Why concede market share when you could easily plug a gap?

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

That's 250-300x a month in sales you aren't getting, that are high value sales - those cars START at $80K onwards.

Further context around those cars - it's a vehicle that's not offered in our market by the manufacturer, that's a reworked import with limited dealer network and support, that's still selling 250-300/month at pricing going well into six figures.

Sure it's not big in the grand scheme of things, but either were MG and look where they sit on the monthly sales, selling a range that everyone else turned their back on because it 'wasn't worth it'.

How many if those 250-300x month you reckon you'll take back off them if 2.7L EB was available in Ranger and priced around the $70K-$80K mark as a 'hero' model? Like Raptor but not off-road focus.

Why concede market share when you could easily plug a gap?

These people who want to tow big (over 3.5t) won't give us a look in anyway. If that is the reason they are buying them. Which I would assume is probably a fair chunk of their sales.

[naddis01]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

That's 250-300x a month in sales you aren't getting, that are high value sales - those cars START at $80K onwards.

Try getting one for $80k now. Good luck. 3yo old ones are selling for 85-90k.

I personally know of a 2019 Express crew cab (2nd lowest model) that a dealer I know sold new for $98k driveaway. They then recently traded it back in on something else. They sold it again last month (with 20000km on the clock from memory) for $115000.

Talking to them, now the DT model is out, they are selling more of the $150k Limited models than the $120k Laramie models.

[nibble]

I'm also a potential buyer eagerly waiting on the new Ranger. Not interested in a diesel, want petrol. Ideally a long stroke V8. Surely Ford could do something with the Coyote engine??

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by simon varley

do you have any evidence at all to support that statement, other than the rantings of some of the people on this forum?

Amarok V6 sales are huge compared to the 4 cylinder. Is that real world enough?

You wouldn't happen to work for PR at BMW would you? BMW think their customers don't want a 5 year warranty because they still sell cars.

[CyberWasp]

Here is what Ford should have built the Raptor to be in the 1st place.
It sounds Bad A$$.
If people are willing to pay the big $$$ to have one converted then there is a market for it from factory.


V8 Ranger Raptor 1st Test.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6TLN9r0mDI&t=571s

[Giant Cranium]

Originally Posted by Ben73

Amarok V6 sales are huge compared to the 4 cylinder. Is that real world enough?

You wouldn't happen to work for PR at BMW would you? BMW think their customers don't want a 5 year warranty because they still sell cars.

I’m on the more power camp but amarok sells more v6 as they sell only the core in a 4.

I had a core 4 cylinder as a company car. Was quicker than the other utes. (Did the traffic light drags with mates. Can’t help ourselves) I’m looking at buying one next year before they change to a ranger twin. It will be the v6.

[spyman03]

Ev motor on differential

[Smoke Pursuit]

Look who the cat dragged outta the bag... 5 years later!! Hello Spyman good to see the Ford mafia haven't rocked up to your house in their black LTD yet...

[spyman03]

Hey thanks
I’ve come out of retirement for a bit of fun

Been chasing the amarok version though Geelong and the two in the car expert up at Ballarat

[spyman03]

And to the v6 yep they are testing it here and does it rock…..😎

[SSVPom]

[QUOTE=spyman03;6608326]And to the v6 yep they are testing it here and does it rock…..

Spyman, welcome back! Did the Ford press office wheel you out of retirement to drum up some hype around the new Ranger/Everest? Those sneaky FGX and Sprint shots from a few years back were legendary

[spyman03]

Mmmmm carnt say tooo much atm but their is another ute being tested/developed here other than that maverick and the oversea ppl contacted me with images/drawings and I saw it the other week

[DFB FGXR6]

Wow, this all reminds me of this thread -

https://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11379652

Great memories from the suspense waiting for the last Falcon.

I guess the Ranger and Everest are the closest we get with this sort of thing in Australia these days.

[spyman03]

Anyway I’ve been speed reading the thread so I can give you an image in your head as to the updated truck….

Everest is a heavy squared off car it has a new tail gate with the rear window glass is now flat across the back currant car the glass turns up at the ends

The tail lights are like the focus car two L type lights on rear mutable lines in the Len and the boot lid lens has broken up lines along the lines of Audi atm

They both have Led headlights now with the top spec utes having six beam adaptive beams lights their is 3 type of lens base utes being standard globes
Mid utes get twin beam

Rear lights are just an evaluation of the current car base tail lights have a led running light as an back to front 7 at the top and the high spec utes get an led running light the are two L’s across the top and outer sides then a small red dot then a L down side and across the bottom with a standard brake light at top with reverse light below

Unlike the wheels pic the lens run down the outer side of headlight not across bottom

Well you know now about the big screen the other upgrades is the roof lining has
been redesigned basically recessed more into roof btw sunvisors

The VW is basically T6 van/Touareg style front with a current amarok style tail light lens that being all red same style of L on the outer and a different interior.

[spyman03]

And I was not wrong was I .hehehehehe

Everest lens


[QUOTE=DFB FGXR6;6608487]Wow, this all reminds me of this thread -

https://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11379652

Great memories from the suspense waiting for the last Falcon.

I guess the Ranger and Everest are the closest we get with this sort of thing in Australia these days.[/QUOTE]

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by spyman03

Ev motor on differential

Welcome back

[CyberWasp]

The question I have been asking is in how much Bronco DNA is coming to the Everest and if it will have 35's as a wheel option.