Confusion over VF SS 0-100 times

[strik9]

well pretty much looks like the new falcon has the old falcon interior . found it a real let down to be honest. in fairness they are closing down so its not like you could spend a heap of money on changes.

fg interoir is old news now. such a shame. then the holdens revamped there whole range the ss interior is basicly as good as the top of the range hsv line.

[SensationFG8]

To be honest when I was shopping around last 2 weeks I didn't find the vf interior to be overly inspiring. It has some cool toys, the HUD etc, but it was still the normal plastic interior you get in these cars.

In fact the hsv's made a disturbing rattle on door shutting that the ss didn't. It seemed related to the chrome surround on the door.

Having said all that I don't expect too much from my interiors aside from nice gear stick and wheel so the fg is fine

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by muso

Because it's all new.....the FG shape/interior has been around a long time, VE even longer....but when the 2014 falcon comes out I may prefer that over the VF.

This sounds like an iPhone buyer...

Why get a new iPhone........because it's a new one

[muso]

I wonder if they are going to change that centre stack ventilation control on the new 2014 Falcon? I prefer dials than buttons only but that's just me.....if the interior in the 2014 Falcon is going to be the same as the FG why not just stick with the FG which isn't a bad looking car anyway!

[muso]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

This sounds like an iPhone buyer...

Why get a new iPhone........because it's a new one

Iphones are a bit different to cars....I don't give two shites about what phone I have and my phone is quite old.

I will elaborate my original answer, I think VF SS is good value especially for the price with all the tech/kit etc....but the main reason is I've never owned a V8 and I like the VF SS and would have owned earlier SS models if it wasn't for the XR6T which was better and a lot faster! Until VF the SS has not stood a chance against the Turbo Fords. I hope the 2014 Falcon is 'new' on the inside to because I've preferred Fords over Holdens ever since the BA!

[furiousgibbon]

I considered a Calais V and went and sat in one, impressive fit and finish, but the design was awful. Subjective yes, but I would have to argue with anyone who claimed that is a well designed interior.

If I was scoring it against the FG interior in multiple categories, it would win for sure. The FG interior is an ergonomic nightmare. I don't think it's possible to get a seating position that is 'just right'. Stalk and gauge cluster controls are obscured by the wheel, and I've done nearly 5000km in mine yet I still have to look at the centre console for far too long just to change HVAC settings.

Plus the VF wins by a mile in terms of technology and features. I also think the VF looks great. I just couldn't bring myself to buy one, I'm no brand fanboy (I owned an XR5 and a Golf GTI at the same time), but I grew up with Fords.

As for claimed 0-100 times, it's all a load of bollocks. I would buy a car that feels the fastest over one that gets to 100 quicker. The car with more area under the torque curve will feel faster, so forced induction carried a lot of weight in my selection.

[muso]

Yes I agree furiousgibbon...........Boost is your best friend

With the VE/VF I hate not being able to see out of them as easily as the Fords, my old BA xr6t is easy to see out of and easy to park. I don't really like the HVAC console on the FG, I think it could have been better, easier to read etc, as I said before I prefer dials than buttons.....kind of in a similar way that I prefer analogue speedo/tacho etc than digital. I have a pair of speakers where you have to hold down a button to control volume....I hate it. I like the BA/BF HVAC console though.

Yeah the 0-100 and 400m times are good for comparison only I guess but the overtaking performance is more practical and very few everyday cars could catch or match the Ford I6 Turbo in roll on (40-100 or 80-110 etc)

[Rob 351]

So are you buying Muso or just an interested on looker?

[SensationFG8]

Worst thing about the vf and one of the reasons it lost points with me was the electric hand brake. The ss-v redline also has horrible white suede that can't be changed to the black you get on the ss-v.

As for the centre console layout I found it no more or less useful than the fg. I'll go take another look at the brochure to refresh my memory.

[muso]

Originally Posted by Rob 351

So are you buying Muso or just an interested on looker?

At this point in time just an interested onlooker.......really it's the G6ET series 1 which is in my sights.........but I love the sound of a V8 and have never owned one......I was going to buy a VY SS or WK Statesman a few years ago but they were rather over priced compared to the BA XR's....then I drove a tuned slightly modded BA XR6 Turbo and after the car sick acceleration I was addicted...I drove a few modded LS1's but the Turbo was so much faster, the Turbo was King...........and still is to me

But I'm 50 and have never owned a V8.....I'm trying to talk my 20 year old son into getting a V8 so I can drive it....but he wants a Jap Import

[muso]

Originally Posted by SensationFG8

Worst thing about the vf and one of the reasons it lost points with me was the electric hand brake. The ss-v redline also has horrible white suede that can't be changed to the black you get on the ss-v.

As for the centre console layout I found it no more or less useful than the fg. I'll go take another look at the brochure to refresh my memory.

Yeah that suede is a bit over the top, the Calais V VF has that everywhere and how will it wear over time? I quite like the VF SS interior though.

If Ford changed things a little bit for the new model, even individual instruments enclosed rather than one whole cluster...I mean a cover over the cluster would do it...you know 'port holes' for each instrument...just so it's a bit different to everything else it would be great.

[Rob 351]

Nothing like owning a V8 Muso. You could always have a look at a second hand FG GS sc if you want to stay blue! They can be picked up for under 40 k these days with reasonable k's!
FPV GS sc with a tune & you have mind blowing performance. $2000 tune & you will have over 350 rwks..

[TheZHLANE]

Originally Posted by muso

At this point in time just an interested onlooker.......really it's the G6ET series 1 which is in my sights.........but I love the sound of a V8 and have never owned one......I was going to buy a VY SS or WK Statesman a few years ago but they were rather over priced compared to the BA XR's....then I drove a tuned slightly modded BA XR6 Turbo and after the car sick acceleration I was addicted...I drove a few modded LS1's but the Turbo was so much faster, the Turbo was King...........and still is to me

But I'm 50 and have never owned a V8.....I'm trying to talk my 20 year old son into getting a V8 so I can drive it....but he wants a Jap Import

After having a ride is dads 300rwkw BA xr6t, that thing put a massive smile on my face while it was spinning its wheels through 1st and 2nd to 100kmh.

Had to drive my te50 to work the next day, boring and bland in comparison (obviously the xr6t had twice as much power). Jumped in the fairlane for a weekend drive and the smile came right back, cant beat a 4.11 geared tyre roasting tank which eats ss's at traffic light races.

Story doesnt really mean anything but i would recommend atleast "trying" a
v8 with some decent power. Totally different feel.

[johnydep]

Originally Posted by TheZHLANE

Had to drive my te50 to work the next day, boring and bland in comparison (obviously the xr6t had twice as much power). Jumped in the fairlane for a weekend drive and the smile came right back, cant beat a 4.11 geared tyre roasting tank which eats ss's at traffic light races.

[TheZHLANE]

Originally Posted by johnydep

Sorry about being off topic, just sharing that i think the guy should try owning a v8 :p

[2242100]

Originally Posted by muso

Could it be that the gap has narrowed between SS and atmo HSV's?

There is very little between FG F6 and XR6T/G6ET in acceleration........it is a known fact that some stock G6ET's have recorded 12.8 secs at the strip....as far as I know a stock FG F6 isn't any quicker than that.

ALSO A QUOTE FROM 4ORDT. I'm pretty sure that there ia a stock F6 on here that has run a 12.3

I agree with the Professor, any car that can get into the 12's is a fast car.

I looked on the Ford Turbo XR6.com forum website for the best factory stock FG F6 and also FG Turbo quarter mile performances. I found the following.

1) An F6 managed 12.295 @ 113.28 mph with a 1.884 sec 60 foot time on ET Street tyres (Mickey Thompson's I believe) and the same car got a 12.51 @ 112.9 mph on Factory Dunlops.
2) Another F6 report was 12.32 @ 113.8 with a 1.8 sec 60 foot time.
3) For normal FG Turbo's, I saw a reported 12.4 for a G6E on factory 19's.
4) An XR6T got a 12.654 @ 113.77 with a 2.02 sec 60 foot time. It ran light with jack & tools removed, 1/3 fuel load, 3/4 worn Dunlops, only mods were King springs & Koni shocks, also it had some Nulon octane booster in the fuel (from my experience no apparent advantage over good 98 fuel unless the weather is quite hot).With it's light load it slightly out accelerated the 12.295 sec F6 over the last half of the quarter, but it apparently couldn't get the power down at the start.
5) An XR6T managed a 12.37 @ 112 mph on Falken tyres, 60 foot time 1.886 sec. It did have a K & N filter and XR8 snorkel though.
When my own standard FG Turbo posted a 4.56 sec zero to 100 kph time the 60 foot time was 1.87 sec with maximum dragstrip rollout applied. ie. a dragstrip's timing gear would record that time if the car was shallow staged as much as possible (2.12 second 60 foot time with deepest possible stage, a difference of a quarter of a second).

[muso]

wow there isn't that much between the FG Xr6t, G6et and F6 then.....were all these cars stock or flash tuned? As far as I know even just a flash tune can make an FG Turbo go quite a bit better. The BA/BF turbos would fall behind in 60' times a bit I'd say due to the larger turbo.

[1TUFFUTE]

I'm not confused over VF ss times.....I've taken care of a few comfortably allready on the street......so yeah they are still slow.....and I garauntee I had a bigger smile on my turbo boosted face then the stock v8 drivers did
For the record my G6ET has zero creaks or rattles in it

[muso]

Yeah as much as I love the boy racer XR6T's there is something special about the G6ET

I also like the Xr50T but that's only because of the extra stuff like big screen, reversing camera etc.

[muso]

Hey 1TUFFUTE is your G6ET stock? How do you find it with the open wheel diff?

[strik9]

Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

I'm not confused over VF ss times.....I've taken care of a few comfortably allready on the street......so yeah they are still slow.....and I garauntee I had a bigger smile on my turbo boosted face then the stock v8 drivers did
For the record my G6ET has zero creaks or rattles in it

lucky no creaks, i,ve had atleast 5 fg f6,s none with a hint of any sort. and the one i have now which i,m keeping has 3 major ones. prob worth sorting them as shes a keeper.

[Professor Farnsworth]

Originally Posted by muso

Yeah as much as I love the boy racer XR6T's there is something special about the G6ET

I also like the Xr50T but that's only because of the extra stuff like big screen, reversing camera etc.

I already mentioned the xr6t now comes stock with 8" touchscreen and reverse camera.

[muso]

Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

I already mentioned the xr6t now comes stock with 8" touchscreen and reverse camera.

At this stage the series 1 FG xr6t is the only one in my budget, but a couple more years and I may be looking at newer models....the talk about VF SS is just curiosity at the moment....and I'm eager to see what the 2014 Falcon will be like.

[johnydep]

A.I.R - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXqhbM1JtrE

Drags on today (if weather holds out).

[PepeLePew]

Originally Posted by johnydep

A.I.R - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXqhbM1JtrE

Drags on today (if weather holds out).

Taking the ute?

[johnydep]

Originally Posted by PepeLePew

Taking the ute?

That was the plan, but plan fell through. Will do next one.

[2242100]

Originally Posted by johnydep

That was the plan, but plan fell through. Will do next one.

When you do take the Ute to the drags it would be good if you could tell us the 60 foot time, 660 foot speed and time, along with the end speed and quarter time please. This should give an idea of the cars top end acceleration. It's also good to know if a driver has deep staged or shallow staged as that can typically affect the quarter time by from 2 to 4 tenths.
Whatever the time's the SS Commodores are an excellent overall package now.

[muso]

Originally Posted by johnydep

A.I.R - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXqhbM1JtrE

Drags on today (if weather holds out).

12.9 secs a good run from the VF clubby....that will be knocking on the doors of a few G6ET's

[Professor Farnsworth]

at only twice the cost lol

[2242100]

Originally Posted by muso

wow there isn't that much between the FG Xr6t, G6et and F6 then.....were all these cars stock or flash tuned? As far as I know even just a flash tune can make an FG Turbo go quite a bit better. The BA/BF turbos would fall behind in 60' times a bit I'd say due to the larger turbo.

I considered the possibility of the apparently standard cars being tuned but apparently that doesn't seem to be the case.
There was another particularly impressive "standard and untuned" G6ET that actually had a slow 1/4 time (launch problem). However it managed to reach a 1/4 mile "average trap speed" of 110.62 mph which equates to 179 kph (or 111.24 mph) at the 400 metre point. That was 4 kph more than the fastest (Press test) FG Turbo car that I've seen (speeds have ranged rrom 169+ to 175). I'm referring here to the Drive.com.au SS Commodore vs XR6T test where conditions were obviously quite cool. By contrast the G6ET had to contend with the following handicaps.
1) 130 kg driver.
2) Cleaning gear.
3) Approx 120 metres higher altitude.
4) Stiff headwind.
5) Only 1200 k's on the clock.
6) Full fuel load.
Also I believe the conditions were warmish (daytime in February), so all things considered I think it's remarkable that it could be 4 k's faster than the (fastest) Drive.com.au test Falcon. Quarter mile end speeds tell a lot about a cars power and it clearly had a fair bit more.
So why are standard FG Turbo's apparently so much faster in the real world? Has the Temporary Overboost function (that Ford mentioned at the cars launch) not been working on the Press test cars that have been acceleration tested? Have testers given the cars a hard time immediately before quarter mile runs that has prevented the feature from working (tyre warming burnouts and practice launches)? Whatever the case though, I think it may have caused some to dig deeper into their pockets and buy F6's. I'm not suggesting that the F6 isn't a better car, just that the standard Turbo's bang for buck is under estimated by many.
One final point about 0 - 100 times. From looking closely at Magazine test data I've noted that Automatic Trans, mid 4 second to 100 k cars typically take a touch over 8 seconds to go from 100 kph to the 400 metre point if their end speeds are around 180 or just over. So lets say 8.1 seconds and then it takes a further 0.05 secs to get to the 1/4 mile point, so that's 8.15 seconds in total. With that in mind we can estimate the zero to 100 kph time.
So for the F6 that managed the 12.295 sec quarter it's:-
12.295 less 8.15 = 4.145 plus 0.25 seconds (shallow stage rollout time) = 4.395 seconds to 100 kph.
For the 12.37 quarter XR6T it's 4.47 seconds.
As mentioned previously, my own standard untuned FG XR6T got to 100 in 4.56 sec at 650 metres altitude, which costs 3 to 4% in acceleration time. If I reduce my cars time by 3.5% I get a time of 4.40 sec, very close to the other two cars.
That is of course with a sticky enough surface.