Driving - Your "pet hate" on the road

[Giant Cranium]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Why would you indicate left out of this if you were going straight?

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You'd indicate left if you were turning left.

Reference Oaklands Junction airport viewing area:

https://www.google.com/maps/@-37.644...7i16384!8i8192

What about this one? Would you indicate left out of this?

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Reference Bulla:

https://www.google.com/maps/@-37.640...7i16384!8i8192

Pick any roundabout along C743 and let me know which ones you should indicate left out of when you're going straight through it

Because in all roundabouts indicating with a left blinker all but confirms to a waiting car that you are leaving the roundabout and it is safe for them to enter.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by MercuryT

A previous member said I was wrong.

That's fine, I maybe wrong.

But a car entering a roundabout and ripping right with no indicator is apparently ok so long as indicate "out". (when no one cares as car gone anyway)

It's really *ing dangerous as if indicate right in, then the other side know what you are doing in advance.

Indicating to leave is nowhere near as crucial safety wise as indicating to do what you intend to imo

Turning left - indicate left
Turning right - indicate right
Driving straight through - no indicator

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Giant Cranium

Because in all roundabouts indicating with a left blinker all but confirms to a waiting car that you are leaving the roundabout and it is safe for them to enter.

I've never seen anyone do that in VIC unless it has more than the typical 4 entry/exit points where you would indicate left getting off at one of the multiple exits.

[JasonACT]

https://roadrules.rsc.wa.gov.au/road-rules/roundabouts

Turning left
On approach, indicate left from the left lane. Stay in the left lane and exit the roundabout from this lane.

Driving straight ahead
You don’t need to indicate on approach. Enter in either the left or right lane, stay in and exit from the same lane. If practicable, indicate left when you’ve passed the last exit before the one you intend to use.

Turning right or making a full turn
On approach, indicate right from the right lane. Stay in the right lane and exit the roundabout from this lane. If practicable, indicate left when you’ve passed the last exit before the one you intend to use.

Never practicable, like pressing a button on a phone to see if there's a message, you're cornering and shouldn't need to play with any buttons or controls!

Argument over (as if).

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by JasonACT

https://roadrules.rsc.wa.gov.au/road-rules/roundabouts



Never practicable, like pressing a button on a phone to see if there's a message, you're cornering and shouldn't need to play with any buttons or controls!

Argument over (as if).

VicRoads website mentions something similar

Travelling straight through a roundaboutHide
If you want to travel straight through a roundabout:

stay in the same lane through the roundabout
do not indicate as you approach the roundabout, but if practicable, signal left as you exit.
If there is more than one lane, you can approach the roundabout in any of the lanes, unless the lane is for left or right turns only.

https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safe...es/roundabouts

'if practicable' - so no, not required

Even if something is law, as far as I'm concerned if it's not enforced and most people don't practice it then it doesn't exist.

How many people you ever seen get pulled over for not keeping left?

I've only ever seen people indicating left out of typical small roundabouts in Brisbane, which I thought was very odd

[hayseed]

My Pet hate is "farquits" who come up behind at Night & Don't Dip their Headlights.
Or the same Individuals Who when approaching you at Night Don't dip their Lights until they're almost on top of You..



Oh, & Franco I always Indicate My exit off any Roundabout..

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by MercuryT

A previous member said I was wrong.

That's fine, I maybe wrong.

But a car entering a roundabout and ripping right with no indicator is apparently ok so long as indicate "out". (when no one cares as car gone anyway)

It's really *ing dangerous as if indicate right in, then the other side know what you are doing in advance.

Indicating to leave is nowhere near as crucial safety wise as indicating to do what you intend to imo

I don't think anyone mentioned turning right with no indicators.

However, if you're making a right turn at a roundabout you put your right blinker on. Then after the 2nd exit you're supposed to put your left one on as you're exiting...................simples really.

[MercuryT]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Turning left - indicate left
Turning right - indicate right
Driving straight through - no indicator

I'm with you mate.

Not difficult but sure......indivate to leave a roundabout by indicating left when turning right as "exiting"

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by hayseed

My Pet hate is "farquits" who come up behind at Night & Don't Dip their Headlights.
Or the same Individuals Who when approaching you at Night Don't dip their Lights until they're almost on top of You..

The hand held roof spotlights on KW's were handy then

[MercuryT]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

I don't think anyone mentioned turning right with no indicators.

However, if you're making a right turn at a roundabout you put your right blinker on. Then after the 2nd exit you're supposed to put your left one on as you're exiting...................simples really.

Incorrect.

My Ex only indicated out not in.

So nearly smash every time when turning right wkth no indication.

As previous, apparently this is correct.

[MercuryT]

What about Lycra riders doing 15ks 4 abreast.

Not annoying at all taking up a lane

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by MercuryT

Incorrect.

My Ex only indicated out not in.

So nearly smash every time when turning right wkth no indication.

As previous, apparently this is correct.

So, if you enter a roundabout intending to turn right but you don't use indicators to do so it's incorrect?

[JasonACT]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

I don't think anyone mentioned turning right with no indicators.

MercuryT mentioned it, didn't he?

[PG2]

This is for NSW, Tasmania may be different...

https://roadsafety.transport.nsw.gov...road-rules.pdf

Essentially, you indicate the same as with any other intersection to enter the roundabout and indicate left to leave the roundabout.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

I don't think anyone mentioned turning right with no indicators.

However, if you're making a right turn at a roundabout you put your right blinker on. Then after the 2nd exit you're supposed to put your left one on as you're exiting...................simples really.

Technically, it's not the 2nd exit, but any exit after the straight ahead position. That caters for a roundabout which is not a perfect cross type roundabout. But I assume you were referring to the typical cross type roundabout.

[JasonACT]

I didn't read the NSW pdf, but the ACT one says the same.. No one does it though, but a courteous driver will turn off their indicators at the right time. If the states and territories all have different rules (and from my earlier post, the rules have changed over time for some of them) then it's hard to argue a "pet hate".

[ljf12]

A few years ago the RAC in WA wrote an article in their members magazine about how to indicate correctly with regards to roundabouts, they got it wrong, had to sort it out in the next edition.

I think a lot of people don’t really know what to do, would explain why the vast majority don’t indicate correctly.

[JC]

Originally Posted by JasonACT

https://roadrules.rsc.wa.gov.au/road-rules/roundabouts



Never practicable, like pressing a button on a phone to see if there's a message, you're cornering and shouldn't need to play with any buttons or controls!

Argument over (as if).

I indicate correctly off roundabouts - as above. It’s easy.

[JasonACT]

And, JC, I have no problem with you doing that. But, what you are telling the guy with a HP car who entered the round-about (as you passed) to the left of you (but going straight, while you are turning right - I.E. going in the same direction as you now) is that he can't pass you because you are entering his lane. Most Canberra round-abouts are two lanes, the ones in my area are single lane roads though except for the round-abouts bit. My particular right-exit one doesn't require me to merge to one lane, as I turn right again immediately after, so I would be causing some unnecessary uncertainty (and I've already said I avoid that).

[JasonACT]

Two cars, one confused by the "rules".

[MITCHAY]

Sitting in the right lane for no reason
Pulling out in front when there is no one behind
Dive bombing form one lanes
Those who don't understand give way rules including merging
Slow acceleration after a stop
Tapping brakes constantly
Stopping for no reason or not timing it when you can see clearly what is happening from the other direction

With regards to indicating left exiting a roundabout, I don't bother when it is a very small roundabout and those with no right exit.

For dual lane it only makes sense if you are going straight in the right lane with right exit unless you can turn right from both.

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by JasonACT

Two cars, one confused by the "rules".

Haha used to live down the road in Richo so know this one well.

[Ben73]

I’m pretty sure in Europe they only indicate out of a roundabout and never while going around. What I heard was the roundabout is the “main road” that has right of way. You can drive on the main road all day with no indicator but you must indicate when you plan on exiting the “main road” and turning into one of the “side streets”.

It makes sense but no one here could do that. Too much effort required to drive properly.

[roKWiz]

After reading all this, state road authorities who can not standardise what should be National road rules.


BTW Franco,
I've seen numerous police intercepts on the Hume for not keeping left except for overtaking.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

After reading all this, state road authorities who can not standardise what should be National road rules.


BTW Franco,
I've seen numerous police intercepts on the Hume for not keeping left except for overtaking.

It's not surprising to me, look at how the state's all wildly varied in their pandemic response, there's never going to be agreement on a national set of standards for things like road rules.

We operate like 8 different countries

Good to see it actually gets enforced, I guess given the country is connected by goat tracks that's why we can't have Grandma on her way to International Bingo Convention 2021 driving from Melbourne at 50km/h in the right lane

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

It's not surprising to me, look at how the state's all wildly varied in their pandemic response, there's never going to be agreement on a national set of standards for things like road rules.

We operate like 8 different countries

Good to see it actually gets enforced, I guess given the country is connected by goat tracks that's why we can't have Grandma on her way to International Bingo Convention 2021 driving from Melbourne at 50km/h in the right lane

Yes the Hume goat track where they spend millions sticking up stupid wire catch fencing (causing several fatalities since) but not resurfacing the actual road lanes, that for a different thread..

[whynot]

• Using the phone when driving (this seems to be epidemic with young females)
• Following too closely, like way too close.
• Cannot maintain a consistent speed on a dead flat bit of road, even in a vehicle equipped with a cruise control
• Unable to centre their vehicle within their lane
• Don’t slow down for road works (immediately followed by …)
• Completed road works that leave up reduced speed limits
• Tradies and soccer mums in overtyred, heavily loaded, raised 4X4 who think the laws of physics (not to mention the road rules) don’t apply to them
• Taxi, Uber, and deliver drivers who think they are the most important people on the road, and are unable to extend simple courtesy to other road users
• When there is a queue developing, say, for a left turn, drivers who drive in the empty lane and then force their way in at the last second.

[BENT_8]

Indicating your intention to exit a roundabout isnt about law, its about common coutesy to others and its hardly surprising courtesy to others is something Victorians would struggle with.
Roundabouts are designed to aid traffic flow, traffic flows better when everyone is clear with their intentions.
One of the things ive noticed lately at roundabouts is the unnecessary speed at which the modern motoist without a second to spare enters them, resulting in understeer and subsequently excessive and maintained steering angle with a late reef on the wheel in the opposite direction to exit.

When im driving a coach the ability to maintain momentum with caution is important from a passenger comfort and vehicle wear and tear perspective, i dont want my punters bounced around as i jump on and off the throttle/brake, nor do i need to wind up from a stand still when it was completely avoidable with a little courtesy.

In a situation where im approaching a roundabout with good visibility my tactic is to scan for vehicles approaching from my right and opposite, if the vehicle approaching from my right is indicating left i know i can all but rule out the need to stop whilst maintaining caution, if they dont indicate, or indicate right i assume they have right of way and will adjust my speed to merge after them or stop if necessary, its only when they approach the roundabout without indicating left, causing me to assume they are intending to go straight through, i therefore adjust accordingly only for them to go left and leave me slowed or stopped for nothing.
Same to for vehicles approaching from the opposite direction, if they dont indicate left on approach i assume they are a going either straight ahead or right across my path minus the appropriate right turn indicator. Some will say why indicate left to exit, well, if you drove a heavy vehicle you'd appreciate that you learn to read the body language of other vehicles, if youre approaching me from opposite, fly into the roundabout and are still hard on the right lock to control your subsequent understeer and dont indicate your intention to exit to my right i will assume youre one of those who dont need indicators to turn right and i will find myself stopped unnecessarily out of caution . Flick that left indicator on as you pass the previous exit and im more inclined to believe you and go about my business as a roundabout allows.

A roundabout in peak hour traffic whilst behind the wheel of a sometimes slow, heavy vehicle is at or close too being the moment of greatest risk because unlike light vehicles, we cant just duck through that little gap, we need good warning so we can negotiate safely and without holding anyone up unnecessarily because one thing is a certainty, find yourself inconvenienced by that slow moving vehicle just trying to tip toe amongst you and even if youve contributed through your own lack of courtesy, you will throw all your toys from the cot.

[383hq]

Originally Posted by hayseed

My Pet hate is "farquits" who come up behind at Night & Don't Dip their Headlights.
Or the same Individuals Who when approaching you at Night Don't dip their Lights until they're almost on top of You..



Oh, & Franco I always Indicate My exit off any Roundabout..

only one thing worse then the close quarters highbeam warfare
thats when you're in a car on a country rd and the 4wd guy has put higher wattage low beam bulbs in. just as blinding, and much worse with that 2 inch lift without re-aiming headlights.

Pretty common where I am.

At least nowadays we usually have a left white line to focus at while the eyes readjust.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Was driving around town this morning and saw something that frustrates me:

A learner driver in a driving school car (so well marked), was being tailgated by a taxi. It was a straight road, through a fairly busy street with parked cars on the left and in the centre parking bays as well. Learner was being cautious in these conditions, which is understandable. Taxi was just not interested in going 'slowly' and sat less than a car length behind them (at something like 40kmh). FFS, we've all been leaner drivers before, respect their level of experience and give them some space. It won't make any difference to the time of your trip

The other one that frustrates me is right turning from a turning lane in a road with a median strip. To correctly turn at one of these, it takes three inputs into the steering wheel: the first is to turn right into the turning lane, the second is to turn left to again be parallel to the gutter, and the third is to turn right to exit the road. It is not simply one turn of the steering wheel to the right and take the corner as one consistent arc from the right hand (non-turning) lane! The idea of the turning lane being cut into the median strip is to allow you to slow before your turn without holding up traffic in the right lane. By making one turn only, you delay the traffic behind you in the right-hand lane