Ranger tow test - 2.0TT vs Ye Olde 3.2L I5

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

Wow how can someone be so blinded, and I just noticed the right to bear arms comment.
you Sir belong in Texas

Yep, I know nothing, been around heavy vehicles since I was 18, now 62. Trained professional HV drivers for 13 years, including mechanicals, including when the Detroit Series 60 hit the market. This type of fuel injected diesel is NOT new, been around a long time

Petrol is the way of the future (until an effective alternative is found), diesel is on its way out, look to Europe my friend

[Vesper Martini]

Trev, This thread is about which vehicle tows better the old 3.2 versus the more powerful 2.0.
FYI both are diesels, nobody is arguing petrol vs Diesel.

PS I'm also well familiar with the series 60 I used to service a fleet of Freightliners. but I'm struggling to see why that's relevant to this Thread.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Big Trev

that's even worse

Going off the huge popularity of the US Ranger since launch, the target market are loving it.

Originally Posted by Big Trev

nothing to do with hooning, so get that head off. Rangers are sold and promoted as being the best tow vehicle, a pizzy little 2 litre will NOT do the job. Look around at all the pensioners with caravans and look at what's towing them, most at Rangers or BT50's, do they really want to lose that market?? Look around at the 'real' tradies using them to tow their stuff around, do they really want to lose that market. The Ranger will be no better than the Nissan, Toyota and worse than the Isuzu DMax

A 5 litre would give enough grunt to tow the biggest van/trailer and most likely return great fuel economy

Europe are moving away from diesels.

How is it even an issue when the 2 litre makes more power and torque, over a wider rev band, and with 4 more gears, than just about all of its competitors? Hilux, D-Max, Colorado, Triton all make a fair chunk less power and torque.

The 5 litre is outsold by the 3.5 ecoboost V6 in the F series. US customers have really moved away from the V8 in the F series. The ecoboost smashes it for power, torque, towing and economy. They love it.

And yeah, no way will the V8 deliver good economy towing. That's just silly.

Europe are slowly moving away from diesels, but not in commercial vehicles.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Going off the huge popularity of the US Ranger since launch, the target market are loving it.

not where I am reading

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

Trev, This thread is about which vehicle tows better the old 3.2 versus the more powerful 2.0.
FYI both are diesels, nobody is arguing petrol vs Diesel.

PS I'm also well familiar with the series 60 I used to service a fleet of Freightliners. but I'm struggling to see why that's relevant to this Thread.

You seem to be arguing petrol vs diesel, I just suggested it and you went off on a tangent, then started the usual personal insults (fairly typical)

The relevance of the Series 60 is quite obvious, truck engine manufacturers were all 14 - 16 litre with some even at 19 litre, then when they went 'electronic' the manufacturers started going smaller with the engine (what was Series 60 again 12????), well it didn't work out so well, so they have now gone bigger again. The SUV market is doing the same - history is repeating itself

You know this might surprise you but I am entitled to my opinion (without copping an personal insult)

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by Big Trev

(what was Series 60 again 12????), well it didn't work out so well, so they have now gone bigger again.


You know this might surprise you but I am entitled to my opinion (without copping an personal insult)

Off the top Of My head & Without Googling It...
Series 60's were available in 11.1 & 12.7 Litre versions. 11.1's were predominantly Bus Motors.
Towards the end they produced a "stroked" version that was 14Litres. They was an EGR version (of the 14 Litre only) which was very problematic..

Those old 12.7's set Fuel economy & durability benchmarks that the current crop of Truck Motors can't get anywhere near.......

[Trevor 57]

until you whacked a 62.5 tonne B-Double on them (which I drove for 6 months)

[Vesper Martini]

Sorry if you get the impression I'm making personal insults, but I'm pretty sure I'm not. the Mods would quite rightly correct me if I was. Im just countering your Opinion

PS series 60 was to replace the 6V71 two strokes which was only a 7 Litre engines

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

The US Ranger is 2.3 ecoboost only. Not sure where you are getting the idea you can buy a diesel Ranger in the US

read these at your own peril - this American forum is NOT for the easily offended and there are no moderators. If bad language, trolls, pornography and personal insults are not for you, don't open the linkss

https://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/s...ghlight=ranger

https://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/s...ht=ford+ranger

https://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/s...ht=ford+ranger

https://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/s...ht=ford+ranger

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Big Trev

Ever heard of SpecSavers, read it again Talk about 'blinded', what a pizzer. Dyslexia is a bastard eh?

Actually I go to OPSM. SpecSavers could not accommodate my needs.

But lets just point out that these are insults, but they don't bother me.

[Trevor 57]

you get what you give, I didn't start it - so stop deflecting

and yes I accept your apology

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Big Trev

until you whacked a 62.5 tonne B-Double on them (which I drove for 6 months)

not sure what state but that sounds overweight - considerably

[Trevor 57]

hmmmm, really WOW!!!!

they run 68.5 tonne now (I did say B-Double - might need to see OPSM )

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

PS series 60 was to replace the 6V71 two strokes which was only a 7 Litre engines

Probably hijacking the thread (& am happy to be corrected), but I'm pretty sure the series 60 replaced the 92 series both 6V92 & 8V92.

The 71 series was released back in 1938.....

[Trevor 57]

ahh 2 strokers - those were the days hahahahaha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boAO9BUvH1I

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by Big Trev

ahh 2 strokers - those were the days hahahahaha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boAO9BUvH1I

I like this one

https://youtu.be/8zV4d2Gk-iE

[Trevor 57]

Black smoke is good, white smoke is bad LOL

[Romulus]

Euro Emission standards will see the end of diesel powered passenger cars, its the particulate emissions that can’t be cleaned up. Hence, the move away from diesel and to petrol; high compression, direct injection high pressure turbocharging. In essence, a Diesel engine running on petrol.

The test doesn’t surprise me one bit.


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[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by hayseed

Probably hijacking the thread (& am happy to be corrected), but I'm pretty sure the series 60 replaced the 92 series both 6V92 & 8V92.

The 71 series was released back in 1938.....

well both, 71s & 92s stopped in 1995.
92s were 1.5L per cylinder

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Big Trev

hmmmm, really WOW!!!!

they run 68.5 tonne now (I did say B-Double - might need to see OPSM )

They do now with approved routes only. & permit

[Craig@AUDI]

4 pages and counting...popcorn anyone?

[Vesper Martini]

Yes not even relevant. but we can confirm the test was bogus. the 2.0 would definitely outperform the 3.2 towing

[Falcon SXR8]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

Yes not even relevant. but we can confirm the test was bogus. the 2.0 would definitely outperform the 3.2 towing

We're was confirmation of a bogus test?

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Falcon SXR8

Where was confirmation of a bogus test?

Where was confirmation it wasn’t ?

Oh yes this is the internet, everything is true here.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

They do now with approved routes only. & permit

and did I say differently? as I said, I used to drive them and even trained other people to drive them

Now, where were we, possibly get back on track

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by Romulus

Euro Emission standards will see the end of diesel powered passenger cars, its the particulate emissions that can’t be cleaned up. Hence, the move away from diesel and to petrol; high compression, direct injection high pressure turbocharging. In essence, a Diesel engine running on petrol.

The test doesn’t surprise me one bit.


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I think the same will happen in the US. Ford can sell a 7.3L for $10k cheaper than a 6.7 turbo diesel. The cost per mile difference is marginal, even when pulling, when you factor in the higher price of diesel and DEF. If you’re going to pay a premium to get torque and economy, a hybrid system using the 7.3 would yield a better return.

[ute83]

https://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/s...ht=ford+ranger



That one is pretty funny. Had a good chuckle.

[Trevor 57]

It is a funny forum, you have to be brave and thick skinned to post there, but I do recommended it, but there are a couple of Aussies on there who are absolute tools, most are pretty good