Falcon options that where tested but never made it to production - Page 4

smciner1 · 31-12-2015, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ozrunner

Also the R5 dual cab. Took these pics and a few more of it at a Perth Show from memory.

I assume Ford will still have it.

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The R5 is currently at the Geelong Museum of Motoring.

https://www.facebook.com/geelongmuse...oring/?fref=ts

GXL078 · 31-12-2015, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I have a few copies and I would part with one at an appropriate price.

Is that the book with the side valve engine incorrectly labelled as the all new OHV Falcon engine? I missed out on receiving the book as a gift due to that glaring error my eagle eyed dad spotted while flipping through in K Mart. He said that wasn't the only error.

I never got my yearbook from the 1987 James Hardie 1000 that Mr Tuckey was supposed to send me for being Mark Skaife's pit recorder either. I'm not bitter about it, just sayin'.

eb2fairmont · 01-01-2016, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

I had been searching for a copy for years. I found one at a used book store a while back. Couldn't believe my luck. A great book for a Ford fan.

Also, when would that AU book be out and where would I look for it if you don't mind me asking?

Yeah I'm curious too

2011G6E · 01-01-2016, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by sexyxe

Two Turbo AWD XE/XF were made, then one was crashed.

That would have changed the path of a Ford if they continued to develop that thirty years ago!

Yes, I've got the Wheels magazine with the write up about that car somewhere tucked away. Very interesting car...worked well, drove great. Possibly a little too much for the average XF Falcon driver of the day who was more into one of two things...basic and cheap family stodge, or luxury like the Fairmont Ghia. It was hardly a time that "Falcon" and "Innovative performance car" went hand in hand in the mind of the general public... (Sorry, he says, ducking for cover...

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Cobra · 01-01-2016, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by EASYBOSS

So you haven't driven an F6X

I owned one for many years. It was an exceptional vehicle. I wish I still had it...

eb2fairmont · 01-01-2016, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Yes, I've got the Wheels magazine with the write up about that car somewhere tucked away. Very interesting car...worked well, drove great. Possibly a little too much for the average XF Falcon driver of the day who was more into one of two things...basic and cheap family stodge, or luxury like the Fairmont Ghia. It was hardly a time that "Falcon" and "Innovative performance car" went hand in hand in the mind of the general public... (Sorry, he says, ducking for cover...

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Was in car Australia in early 1988. Release of the ea killed it as tha donor car was no longer available.

One prototype was crashed the other is a project car on here somewhere.

Most of the engineering was done by ait I believe not ford itself.

Dauphin · 01-01-2016, 03:42 PM

I usually do a run of 10 copies and list them on eBay. No estimate of a date yet, within the first quarter of this year probably.

Jaxon · 01-01-2016, 05:50 PM

I would like to know how far the the engineers pushed the inline 6? Direct injection, alloy block, dry sump, electric water pump? Just curious what power they achieved out of NA before the pin was pulled. I know somethings will never see the light of day, just interested in the devolpment process.

Dauphin · 01-01-2016, 05:59 PM

The Tickford book by Gavin Farmer briefly mentions that Ford developed several 24 valve DOHC versions of the six before the AU adopted VCT as an alternative to supercharging, but found the high engine speeds to not be suitable for the Falcon.

Syndrome · 01-01-2016, 06:59 PM

Big block V8 in the premium models?

ZGM86 · 02-01-2016, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ozrunner

Also the R5 dual cab. Took these pics and a few more of it at a Perth Show from memory.

I assume Ford will still have it.

One of those in V8 would be my perfect daily drive, it ticks all of my boxes.

I'd ditch the Terry for a V8 R5 in a heartbeat!

Carrion · 02-01-2016, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ozrunner

Also the R5 dual cab. Took these pics and a few more of it at a Perth Show from memory.

I assume Ford will still have it.

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Not a fan of Utes, love suicide doors. Mixed emotions

Falcon_Crazy · 02-01-2016, 12:04 PM

From memory the r concept housed the BAY interior buck? I must dig out some old photos from motors how's where concept cars often had bits off upcoming falcons

Falcojimmy · 02-01-2016, 06:53 PM

The R concept was on display at the Vic Discovery Centre for years. Definitely had an early version if the BA interior and BA style seats.

TheInterceptor · 02-01-2016, 07:38 PM

Yup. Featured a version of the BA interior and staged seating from the Territory and a Barra under the hood I believe? Was a fantastic concept and I think one of the last ever cool ideas Ford Au had. Nice fresh derivative of the AU shape too.

What's disappointing is that Ford AU had so many awesome ideas that never eventuated.
At the time of the R5 they also drew up a wagon concept awd au wagon and other things before then they came out with a big on the outside small on the inside boring heavy SUV with an AWD system that was basically a waste of time for the majority of buyers who trundle to and from the school runs. Would have been way more useful in Falcon models!

GTLEGEND · 02-01-2016, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dauphin

Regarding a book, I am confident Ford will do this for us Aussie enthusiasts, and it will be a fantastic book and they'll sell heaps. The "True Blue" book by Bill Tuckey is no longer available and sells for high $$$ on the used market. I've been wanting to find a copy for quite some time. The library lost their's. It's a great book but left me wanting to know so much more.

My small self-published books about Aussie cars eventually all sell out. I'm about 75% through writing up the content to next publish a 40-page book about the development and history of the AU series era. It'll be my sixth book on Aussie cars to date. If I can come up with 40 pages for the AU, Ford could do a whole lot better for the XK to the FG X.

I have a couple of spare copies if anybody is interested of True Blue, willing to sell at a fair price for any member on here.

GXL078 · 03-01-2016, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Syndrome

Big block V8 in the premium models?

390 Galaxy

scotty_dee · 03-01-2016, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dauphin

Regarding a book, I am confident Ford will do this for us Aussie enthusiasts, and it will be a fantastic book and they'll sell heaps. The "True Blue" book by Bill Tuckey is no longer available and sells for high $$$ on the used market. I've been wanting to find a copy for quite some time. The library lost their's. It's a great book but left me wanting to know so much more.

Wow, had no idea that book was so hard to come by, bought it a couple months ago for 5 bucks in a St Vinnies shop.

outback_ute · 03-01-2016, 06:14 PM

I visited the R&D building in Geelong on the northwest corner opposite the factory (where Bunnings is now) and they were testing a diesel version of the 4.0.

The EA wagon was also intended to have a 7-seat version with a forward-facing rear seat, which is why the roofline is taller. It would have had a similar layout to a Peugeot 504/505 wagon, or Oldsmobile Vista Cruiser. The prototype was in the Discovery Centre years ago, I have pictures of it somewhere.

GXL078 · 03-01-2016, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by scotty_dee

Wow, had no idea that book was so hard to come by, bought it a couple months ago for 5 bucks in a St Vinnies shop.

A fair price. Not a beat up price for "enthusiasts".

FalconXV · 03-01-2016, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by outback_ute

I visited the R&D building in Geelong on the northwest corner opposite the factory (where Bunnings is now) and they were testing a diesel version of the 4.0.

What timeframe was this? How far did it get into prototype phase and what commonality did it have with Barra? Were there any torque/power figures @rpm thrown around and did it have the same turbo/plumbing as xr6t?

XR Martin · 03-01-2016, 10:32 PM

Does anyone elses copy of True Blue have Bill Tuckey's autograph in it?

Eaturbo · 03-01-2016, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by FalconXV

What timeframe was this? How far did it get into prototype phase and what commonality did it have with Barra? Were there any torque/power figures @rpm thrown around and did it have the same turbo/plumbing as xr6t?

It would have been a monster, when you look at the power figures of the smaller 3L and 3.2L motors. Would have been like the bmw and Audi diesels. 170kw and 600nm would have been fun not to mention a perfect engine for the Territory.

**Luke Plaizier** · 04-01-2016, 03:36 PM

Yes, I'd be seriously interested in more info on how far they got with fitting the 3.7L V6 into the Falcon, and how far the 4.0L I6 Diesel development progressed.

I keep hearing stories about the confrontation between Geoff Polites and his successor regarding the cancellation of the Diesel program.

Lukeyson

malazn mafia · 04-01-2016, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by FalconXV

What timeframe was this? How far did it get into prototype phase and what commonality did it have with Barra? Were there any torque/power figures @rpm thrown around and did it have the same turbo/plumbing as xr6t?

What does it take to turn a petrol engine into a diesel? A Falcon turbo diesel 4.0 i6 engine would be phenomenal, probably be powerful enough to power a semitrailer.

Eaturbo · 04-01-2016, 07:39 PM

Well the 3.0 V6 in the Nissan Pathfinder TI 550 and Jeep Grand Cherokee make 170kw so Maybe the 4.0L would make 190kw and 650nm. Now that in a Territory or Falcon would be quicker than the 195kw petrol or 2.7v6 diesel.

Sprintey · 04-01-2016, 07:43 PM

That R5 ute like so much of the AU program was easily 15 years ahead of its time and looks great now, hits a niche that's selling in 2015.

As for AWD being wasted on a boring SUV - ours with chains tackling bonnet high snow drifts with manic wind, weather and challenging visability and coming through with flying colours - suggests otherwise. Full time (does not decouple at idle) AWD on the SY, great traction control programming and a 38/62 front rear split from memory - works well.

Other options that never made it: 429 powered XB GT coupe (AMC story on it once)
Bill Bourke special
XA 4x4 ute
EA 351
Arrow coupes and Hellier Bros coupes of AU - there was something about one of these being factory supported?

Honourable mention: XG and XH outback utes, with locking Hydratrak diffs (this diff also in EL GT) - happily these were produced

XG_Falcon · 04-01-2016, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by malazn mafia

What does it take to turn a petrol engine into a diesel? A Falcon turbo diesel 4.0 i6 engine would be phenomenal, probably be powerful enough to power a semitrailer.

Turbo-diesel 4L i6... now that would be something.

FPV GTHO · 04-01-2016, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Luke Plaizier

I keep hearing stories about the confrontation between Geoff Polites and his successor regarding the cancellation of the Diesel program.

Lukeyson

That was only for the initial Territory diesel program, not the I6 Diesel.

outback_ute · 06-01-2016, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by FalconXV

What timeframe was this? How far did it get into prototype phase and what commonality did it have with Barra? Were there any torque/power figures @rpm thrown around and did it have the same turbo/plumbing as xr6t?

This was late 1990s. I don't remember any details or even if it was the DOHC but I don't think so. It would have been well before common-rail injection I think so probably nothing like the modern power outputs.

Nissan did petrol and diesel versions of their 6-cylinders, it helps to have a cast iron block, diesel combustion pressures are higher than petrol