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Old 25-09-2015, 08:38 AM   #91
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Why can't those Diesels say 5-years old, be tested/analysed, or have I misunderstood your comment ?

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They can be re-tested of course but the fact that the used ones have five years worth of crap in the DPF and equivalent use wear in the rest of the exhaust system renders any results useless when the problem is the tests were rigged on brand new cars at the time.
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The Herald Sun featured an article on the whole saga, written by Josh Dowling.

The main image of the story was of a "concerned" owner standing with his arms crossed and a frowning face in front of his..........................MK5 Golf FSI petrol
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They can be re-tested of course but the fact that the used ones have five years worth of crap in the DPF and equivalent use wear in the rest of the exhaust system renders any results useless when the problem is the tests were rigged on brand new cars at the time.
Pretty sure these cars need to keep their emmissions the same for 200,000kms. (Euro 4 was 100,000kms). Doesn't matter if the new cars can't pass then VW are in breach. Doesn't matter they will get their butt handed to them in the US.

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The Herald Sun featured an article on the whole saga, written by Josh Dowling.

The main image of the story was of a "concerned" owner standing with his arms crossed and a frowning face in front of his..........................MK5 Golf FSI petrol
Thought the Herald Sun's mottos is don't let the truth get on the way of a good story.
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I like how people think its some sort of conspiracy, yet VW admit they were in the wrong.

Are VW in on the conspiracy too?
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I like how people think its some sort of conspiracy, yet VW admit they were in the wrong.

Are VW in on the conspiracy too?
It isn't a conspiracy when they are all complicit.

And they would never have come clean of their own accord.
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I distinctly remember saying that when we traded the Pajero in that I would never, EVER again own a diesel car or 4x4 and that supposed economy gains between diesel and petrol was a lie at best especially when you take into account more cash to maintain a diesel car. I also remember saying that I think diesel cars pollute more than the petrol equivalent to which I was shot down by 3 salespeople at the time and numerous users here.

To read this and not being a fan of VW it validates my opinions.

Where's my ancient Ford I6?
Yeah I felt the same way trading out of an old 2H (simple motor, indirect injection and mechanical rather than computer control) back into the Ford I6. Maintenance costs dropped to 1/3, 8 years later the I6 is unstressed, more powerful, never been opened up and features economy that's only 2L/100km off where I was.

And as said before, now petrol engines are getting really close to diesel economy in VW group petrols, there's 3cyl versions, Ford's excellent ecoboost turbo petrols.

Just out of interest, would a dedicated LPG Falcon I6 be a degree cleaner again when compared to petrol? It has far fewer carbons in its chain. And would a VE2-VFMY13 Commodore on E85 be heaps cleaner than regular petrol?

Then go further and you get electric... like stepping off carbon transport from diesel (18 carbons), petrol (7 carbons), LPG(butane 4 carbons, propane 2 carbons), Ethanol (2carbons) to sunlight.
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If I had one, I certainly wouldn't be taking it to the dealer to have it reflashed so that it (1) lost significant amounts of performance and (2) got worse economy in order to keep the Green Brigade happy.

In a way, you have to admire the engineering idea of writing code to detect the test cycle - it's not only clever but it also managed to make the impossible happen - performance, economy and passing emissions testing.

All the bleating about the damage it will do to VW is rubbish. They'll negotiate a settlement with US Govco the same way GM did with their dodgy ignition switches ($3M in penalties + $900M for covering it up) or Toyota with their unintended acceleration ($1.2B in fines) and they both actually killed people rather than making a few tree frogs cough a bit more.

They sell two parts of f-all Diesel vehicles in the US and could withdraw the whole lot and not even notice.

If they've been stupid enough to do it in other countries then that's a black mark because it really wasn't necessary in most of them.

Yes the share price took a dive (be a good time to buy I reckon) but that's a reaction to the likely global cost of rectification and penalties rather than something that is going to stop them continuing their world dominance in the auto industry.

Don't reckon they are the only ones doing it either. The 3.0L TDi Mercs go unbelievably well and use fuel sparingly and there are plenty of other TD's going around (BMW, Ford etc.) that perform indecently for their capacity so it might be easier to spot who isn't doing it.

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Reading into VW over the last 6 years or so, it is interesting to compare to the early days of Australian Falcon after 1961. The XK was released with a pretty dodgy front suspension, and was more lightly built for American roads. Ford Australia moved heaven and earth to tackle this view of the car, culminating in the (yep, folks, Bill Bourke responsible again) 70,000 mile endurance run of XPs - 5 XP Falcons driven at average speed of 70mph! The cars may have been rolled on occasion, but all finished, breaking 49 national CAMS records in the process, and all remained in one piece mechanically. What a way to prove durability. Bourke's Ford Australia soon topped this winning the London to Sydney marathon teams award with XT GTs.

Contrast to how VAG has handled its twincharger, random stopping, 1.4 sludging, DSG, now this...
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Efficiency test, not emissions.

Holden never seem to get their claimed l/100km.
HSV never seem to reach their claimed KW figure. Should fine them for false advertising
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The class lawsuits have already started in the US with VW owners claiming their cars are now worth bugger all.
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Hitler find outs about the scandal... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0BRGasUUr4
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HSV never seem to reach their claimed KW figure. Should fine them for false advertising
Ford fans reach their bogan figures though.
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If I had one, I certainly wouldn't be taking it to the dealer to have it reflashed so that it (1) lost significant amounts of performance and (2) got worse economy in order to keep the Green Brigade happy.
The trouble is that it's seen as a bit more than a few tree frogs and not just by greens. It's a major health issue in cities and what's happening in Europe already is that diesel buses are banned from many centres, there is a major push to electrify all public transport and some cities are talking up banning of diesel cars.

If it becomes a fact that diesel engines are not actually as cleaned-up as they're claimed to be, it will be the last nail in the coffin for them.

At the same time, petrol engines have made such huge advances that the financial and performance case for diesels is collapsing.

Last car purchase I was having diesel pushed down my throat by everybody but now I have a large but gutsy petrol SUV getting 700-750 km on a tank and, considering the financial downside I think the extra 100 km or so that I would get from diesel simply isn't worth it. Now, with this VW case, there's doubt whether the claims for diesel are in fact what they're made out to be.

I see in the news today that the CEO of Skoda has been transferred to VW USA to sort things out.
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The trouble is that it's seen as a bit more than a few tree frogs and not just by greens. It's a major health issue in cities and what's happening in Europe already is that diesel buses are banned from many centres, there is a major push to electrify all public transport and some cities are talking up banning of diesel cars.

If it becomes a fact that diesel engines are not actually as cleaned-up as they're claimed to be, it will be the last nail in the coffin for them.
Didn't I read somewhere in all of those press releases, that when the VW Diesels are in their 'non-compliant' mode they belch out 40 times the legally allowed quantity of NOx.

40 times !!! That's a bit more than a small 'fiddle'. I'm no tree hugger, but that's a serious amount of genuine poison.

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Further on the subject of diesel - just casting my mind back to when Gorman annoyed everybody by delaying the introduction of a diesel Territory. He said at the time that the economics of diesel weren't there for owners and he was right, but unfortunately the marketplace isn't so rational and doesn't see past fuel consumption figures.

I looked up the NRMA/RAC operating costs calculator today, the one that gives ballpark WOL costs of car ownership, and checked the petrol vs diesel Territory.

First, TX RWD - costs $3,000 more to buy for diesel, fuel cost $10 a week less for diesel but overall operating cost is the same at $251 a week. So you would never recover the additional outlay on diesel on a WOL basis.

Titanium RWD - similar figures, WOL $307 pw for petrol, $305 for diesel. Go for diesel there, you'd probably recoup it in 700 years!

I notice the AWDs are all diesel, that would annoy me as a potential buyer.

In terms of the GVG air pollution ratings, the Territory diesel rates at 3 (out of 10) and the petrol a much better 5.5 out of 10. The greenhouse rating of the diesel is 5.5 and the petrol 5, not much difference. Petrol CO2 249 gm/km, diesel 236 gm/km.

My X3 petrol rates 7 for greenhouse and 7.5 for air pollution (CO2 171 gm/km) with better fuel consumption than the diesel Territory. The equivalent X3 diesel rates 7.5 for greenhouse and 6 for air pollution (CO2 141 gm/km). If all those figures are to believed any longer of course ....
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If I had one, I certainly wouldn't be taking it to the dealer to have it reflashed so that it (1) lost significant amounts of performance and (2) got worse economy in order to keep the Green Brigade happy.
If it did lose significant amounts of performance and get worse economy, then it would be outside of it's original specification, which means false advertising.
Of which it has already breached with the fudged emissions testing.

Quite a merry-go-round for VW, very lose lose...
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Some people/vdub diesel owners are asking for their money back, Das Auto ??

Edit : more pain for vw .....class action interesting read

http://www.businesswire.com/news/hom...n#.VgdSxPmqpBc

Keller Rohrback L.L.P. Expands Nationwide Class Action Lawsuit to German Automaker Volkswagen AG

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If I had one, I certainly wouldn't be taking it to the dealer to have it reflashed so that it (1) lost significant amounts of performance and (2) got worse economy in order to keep the Green Brigade happy.

In a way, you have to admire the engineering idea of writing code to detect the test cycle - it's not only clever but it also managed to make the impossible happen - performance, economy and passing emissions testing.

All the bleating about the damage it will do to VW is rubbish. They'll negotiate a settlement with US Govco the same way GM did with their dodgy ignition switches ($3M in penalties + $900M for covering it up) or Toyota with their unintended acceleration ($1.2B in fines) and they both actually killed people rather than making a few tree frogs cough a bit more.

They sell two parts of f-all Diesel vehicles in the US and could withdraw the whole lot and not even notice.

If they've been stupid enough to do it in other countries then that's a black mark because it really wasn't necessary in most of them.

Yes the share price took a dive (be a good time to buy I reckon) but that's a reaction to the likely global cost of rectification and penalties rather than something that is going to stop them continuing their world dominance in the auto industry.

Don't reckon they are the only ones doing it either. The 3.0L TDi Mercs go unbelievably well and use fuel sparingly and there are plenty of other TD's going around (BMW, Ford etc.) that perform indecently for their capacity so it might be easier to spot who isn't doing it.

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Well said Russell. It is just a simple software fix but obviously it will reduce the engine's performance.
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New2Ford..Tezza diesel awd can tow 2700kg. Petrol can only tow 2300kg. That's the advantage of diesel,,,
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New2Ford..Tezza diesel awd can tow 2700kg. Petrol can only tow 2300kg. That's the advantage of diesel,,,
Yes I'm aware of the towing and off road advantages of diesel. I'm really talking about the great majority of people who just use them as cars. I don't begrudge anybody buying a diesel for a purpose where a diesel engine is better.
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http://www.newsweek.com/volkswagen-k...reports-377200

Interesting read apparently vw was warned about cheating some years ago, naughty naughty.
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Seems like one of the engineers tried to blow the whistle on this to management and was told to shut up. More heads are going to roll over this.
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Cheers. Makes all that EcoLpi and EGas development look really quite smart right about now. Here's to fewer carbons!
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The cars passed the "TEST" tricky software or not, it's clever that VW knew how the test was conducted and supplied a car to suit and pass scrutiny.
It is a sloppy test procedure buy the EPA not to even drive the friggen car to actually get a real world result.
Meanwhile a volcano will erupt and spew countless dirt and gas into the atmosphere and no one will bat an eyelid.
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Not sure if this was posted a few days ago:

http://www.theage.com.au/business/wo...23-gjtlrm.html

Now that's a claim!

And the R&D heads of VW, Audi and Porsche have been suspended:

http://www.theage.com.au/business/wo...28-gjwstm.html
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The cars passed the "TEST" tricky software or not, it's clever that VW knew how the test was conducted and supplied a car to suit and pass scrutiny.
It is a sloppy test procedure buy the EPA not to even drive the friggen car to actually get a real world result.
Meanwhile a volcano will erupt and spew countless dirt and gas into the atmosphere and no one will bat an eyelid.
All true , by the same token , there are rules and regs there for a very good reason, and one would like to think as the car maker that has bragged about its green credentials and german engineering they might do the right thing without having to be policed down to the last degree , obviously that was wrong.
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