Morons Speeding And Tailgating In A 40 Zone - Page 4

Bucknaked · 28-06-2009, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SNBXR

I drive work cars every day, no P plates on that :P

That means your worse than speeding drivers because your not displaying your plates.

Speeding is against the law, so is not displaying your P-Plates. So no diff really :P:P

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XRSIKS · 28-06-2009, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucknaked

That means your worse than speeding drivers because your not displaying your plates.

Speeding is against the law, so is not displaying your P-Plates. So no diff really :P:P

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I'm sorry Grandma i will remember to carry a pair for every time i see you driving past, dont want to have a citizen's arrest now :P

4Vman · 28-06-2009, 09:45 AM

One thing that stands out clearly in threads like this is the wide and contrasting opinions people have towards driving.

From condoning tailgating with road rage to self appointed speed humps to slow and thwart traffic flow to an anarchical attitude to posted speed limits and road rules and even an attitude that a license is a right rather than a privilege with responsibilities its obvious to me we're as far away from "being on the same page" with uniform safe driving behaviors and attitudes as ever before.

Whatever it is with Australian driving attitudes and behavior its clear to me why we have an appalling and more to the point totally unnecessary and avoidable road toll.

I fear for my friends and families safety on the roads every day because of it.....

OLDFORDNUT · 28-06-2009, 09:49 AM

i can not believe some attitudes on here in reguards to crossings,
i never speed through them and even if flag person is not there and i see a kid waiting out of school hours i will stop and let them cross often holding up traffic in the process,and ive been abused for it in the past, once two years ago i did this and the kid started walking across when car behind me passed over the double lines and the child had to jump back,i followed the moron to his next stop at local shop and pulled him out of his ricer and gave him a stern talking too,
you have to remember kids will do the unexpected especially if they want to cross the road and people wont stop so they see a gap and bang they get hurt as they cant judge distance properly,

geckoGT · 28-06-2009, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

One thing that stands out clearly in threads like this is the wide and contrasting opinions people have towards driving.

From condoning tailgating with road rage to self appointed speed humps to slow and thwart traffic flow to an anarchical attitude to posted speed limits and road rules and even an attitude that a license is a right rather than a privilege with responsibilities its obvious to me we're as far away from "being on the same page" with uniform safe driving behaviors and attitudes as ever before.

Whatever it is with Australian driving attitudes and behavior its clear to me why we have an appalling and more to the point totally unnecessary and avoidable road toll.

I fear for my friends and families safety on the roads every day because of it.....

Great post.

I find it interesting that when this sort of subject comes up, there always has to be a group that get aggressive and insulting to others because they believe speed limits are stupid and not required. Makes me wonder ii this attitude is demonstated in the driving habits in some of these individuals?

It would appear to some that I am a "speed bump", based on some of my posts. Hell I have even been called Harold Scruby

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What I find appalling is that there are a fair number here that have stated points such as these:
(1) That sitting 10km under the limit is holding up traffic.
(2) Anyone that is travelling slower than you want to deserves to have you tailgate them and barge them out of the way.
(3) It is reasonable and acceptable to go abusing other motorists, pedestrians, council workers and crossing attendants etc if the road laws, their actions etc do not sit well with your expectations on how traffic should flow.
(4) Speed zones are optional depending on how much time you have and your own intepretation on the relevance to the conditions and situation etc.

At the end of the day, speed zones are here to stay and the majority of traffic use them as the standard in regards to traffic speed. Nothing anyone here can do will change that fact. Sometimes there is a speed zone that is plain crazy, those in Brissy will know th M1 well. It constantly has road works with not a worker in sight but still has 60 signs out in a 100 zone. Sure, in these situations most do not slow down, some move to the left and slow down to about 80 (normally me) and see what happens and some do slow down to 60. Those that do not slow down to 60 are speeding, end of story just as those that do slow to 60 are doing the right thing. How can anyone here get all angry because someone is abiding by the law, I don't get it?

Now I know that I have a reputation for getting on here and preaching about road safety, I mean every time one of these threads comes up I am in it. This is not exactly a reputation that I enjoy, actually it annoys me. I have talked to other members here that are cops and they have the same feeling about this subject that I do, they are just not as vocal about it. I am like this because of one fact, I am the poor bugger that has to clean up the resulting mess unsafe driving creates. Many of the accidents I have been to (and there have been thousands of varying severity), can be attributed to the points that I mentioned earlier in this post. I guess I keep going on in this topic because I have the attitude that if I do maybe one person can see my point, resulting in that person driving safer. That may prevent me from having to get the brain matter of someone on my gloves, that is worth the headache.

platinumXR · 28-06-2009, 11:24 AM

*flame suit on*

Just my observations, and I get to observe quite a lot:

Posted Limit and then what it's apparently ok to REALLY drive at:

40 = 48 to 65 (but only if no one is looking)
50 = 65 to 75 (but only if the kid's are late for school)
60 = 40 to 80
70 = 65 to 90
80 = 68
90 = 71
100 = 120 to 130
110 = 135

Freeway Roadworks Zones:

40 = 90
60 = 120
80 = 135

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The hypocrisy in society in general regarding this issue is so thick you would need to cut it with a chainsaw... as other's have stated on here: I guess it is ok if YOU are the one in a hurry...well, that's ok then. But if it's anyone else; then they are Satans' spawn.

4Vman · 28-06-2009, 11:30 AM

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...11-661,00.html

platinumXR · 28-06-2009, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...11-661,00.html

Oh no...it COULDN'T have been speed related...it must have been the car, or the road, or the intersection, or the Bunyip in the boot, or the stars, or the fairies...we simply CAN'T blame speed because everyone SAYS that they don't speed so it must be true. Mustn't it?

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**Falcon Coupe** · 28-06-2009, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...11-661,00.html

And we wonder why the population age is increasing.

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I don't care what rules are enforced, this has to stop !

GT69 · 28-06-2009, 11:46 AM

What i dont understand is this, I drive from Toowoomba to Brisbane daily for work, as any who drive the Warrego will know, theres plenty of road works on the go. Im on of those annoying 'speed bumps'. I sit on the posted limit and feel a large amount of rage towards people who don't.

But what i dont understand is the mentality behind it....people speeding (granted doing 100 in what would normally have been a 100 zone) And me holding them up because i dare to do the posted speed limit. But then these same people do 100 in a 100 zone? So people speed where there is congestion, traffic works and a higher chance of police/camera's, yet they do the posted limit the rest of the time?

I just dont get it. Im one of those people that sets their cruise control to 105kph. And normally, within 3km of end of road works, i've overtaken all those that flew past me? Its madness, I just cant fathom the logic at work here. Do i condone speeding? No, i don't. So in short....i dont get why people aren't doing 140 or so in the 100 zone, I know that sounds alittle odd.....but the same people are happy to do 100 in a 40 - 60 zone.....with council workers 1.5 metres from their cars.....So why not 'really save some time' by just sitting on 140 - 160? Hell its the same fine isn't it.

Maybe its not that they want to 'break the law' but feel that they are too good to be slowed by mere road works?

I Don't no

Bad Bird · 28-06-2009, 11:48 AM

This thread has clearly shown me (through various, often scary) opinions, why I'm so wary when I drive.

platinumXR · 28-06-2009, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

I don't care what rules are enforced, this has to stop !

We all know that; but no one want's to be affected by any laws put in place as a result. It is a vicious circle. People will drive however they think they can get away with and heaven help anyone that chastises them for it.

For example: The news media will have a run of 'P plater' or 'teenage' road deaths and carnage and the Community is "outraged" and "something needs to be done"...but...when something, ANYTHING is done: it's "draconian" or "revenue raising" or "it's over the top" (probably because it affects their children) or something like that.

Usually because, in general; no one want's to be at fault or be slightly inconvenienced by legislation.

The police increase their presence in an attempt to curb this "destruction and mayhem" and everyone complains about "revenue raising" and "Unfair targeting"...WTF? What do you want?

TELL THE POLITICIANS WHAT YOU (not directed specifically at you Falcon Coupe BTW) WANT THEN...DON'T COMPLAIN AND THEN STAY SILENT...DEMOCRACY MEANS YOU HAVE A SAY IN HOW AND WHAT LAWS ARE MADE.

People forget that police ENFORCE the laws...they don't make them up.

prydey · 28-06-2009, 12:21 PM

this is heading a little off topic and also a little controversial, but does anyone think technology has any part to play in the rising road toll? what i'm getting at is these days, the quality of visual media available on a mobile device is quite high. even if the driver is not physically 'on' the phone, if he has a car load of passengers all watching or playing something, there will no doubt be a bit of noise and a reasonable distraction. once upon a time, once you hopped in a car, all you had was a radio if you were lucky. distractions are the last thing young drivers need. this may sound funny, but when i was learning and a fair portion of my 'p' plates, i would turn the radio off even. peer pressure is one of the hardest things to overcome, so passengers also need to be responsible. even not saying anything when the driver is being an idiot, is condoning it.

i think these days its up to everyone to try to curb peoples behaviour. esp the passengers. if you think someone is a driver prone to being stupid then stop getting lifts with that person. maybe they will then realise they need to grow up.

**Falcon Coupe** · 28-06-2009, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by platinumXR

We all know that; but no one want's to be affected by any laws put in place as a result. It is a vicious circle. People will drive however they think they can get away with and heaven help anyone that chastises them for it.

I'm not talking about new laws but "enforcing" the existing, i believe a couple of people may be alive if the passenger restriction rule been followed in this case.

HEMI POWER · 28-06-2009, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

I'm not talking about new laws but "enforcing" the existing, i believe a couple of people may be alive if the passenger restriction rule been followed in this case.

A better assessement in driving education will also help,getting behind a wheel and driving is the easy part but being able to control a vehicle is the biggest problem with younger drivers these days.

platinumXR · 28-06-2009, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

I'm not talking about new laws but "enforcing" the existing, i believe a couple of people may be alive and the passenger restriction rule been followed in this case.

Yeah fair enough, but even still: what I said about "Unfair Targeting" and how even existing laws may slightly inconvenience others in the name of a common good still ring true.

And you are right; they may more than likely be alive...but as I said: people will drive however they feel they can get away with. No one believes "It can happen to them"...no matter how cautious you are.

And on the point you made: If the NSW Gummint or any state Gummint for that matter allocated more bugeting for greater police numbers on any given roster...then there would be more police out there with time to actually enforce more laws...rather than the 1 car crew trying to sort out 3 domestics, 2 noise complaints and a shoppie at the same time, at any given time.

geckoGT · 28-06-2009, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

this is heading a little off topic and also a little controversial, but does anyone think technology has any part to play in the rising road toll? what i'm getting at is these days, the quality of visual media available on a mobile device is quite high. even if the driver is not physically 'on' the phone, if he has a car load of passengers all watching or playing something, there will no doubt be a bit of noise and a reasonable distraction. once upon a time, once you hopped in a car, all you had was a radio if you were lucky. distractions are the last thing young drivers need. this may sound funny, but when i was learning and a fair portion of my 'p' plates, i would turn the radio off even. peer pressure is one of the hardest things to overcome, so passengers also need to be responsible. even not saying anything when the driver is being an idiot, is condoning it.

i think these days its up to everyone to try to curb peoples behaviour. esp the passengers. if you think someone is a driver prone to being stupid then stop getting lifts with that person. maybe they will then realise they need to grow up.

There is no doubt that driver distractions as a result of "on board" technology (DVD,CD, MP3, phones etc) have caused many crashes, heaven knows I have been to hundreds.

But what is the answer? Should the government outlaw all these items, that would not be popular would it? How about promoting to all motorists how dangerous their use can be (I have been to a fatal caused by someone changing a CD)?

I think driver education is the answer, but a difficult thing to do. An example is this thread, many have given very good reason why tailgating is dangerous and irresponsible from a variety of perspectives. After all that, there are some here that have openly said they routinely tailgate and feel justified in their actions as it is the other persons fault they have to. What chance do the government, training agencies, emergency services etc have when some ears are so deaf.

My impression is that realistically this is something that we will always struggle with and I agree with the sentiment that many will stand there and say "the road toll is terrible, something has to be done, as long as it does not affect me".

dannyhilton · 28-06-2009, 02:35 PM

But it's not just at school zones. I picked up my new car last Saturday, so I took my little cousins (7, 12 and 15) for a drive. There is a lot of road works going on and the limits which used to be 100 are now 60 km/h. I'm driving along obeying the speed limits, going just over 60 and this in a White 2000-2006 Mitsubishi Pajero comes roaring up my tail. My car is a new WS Fiesta, and he wasn't more than a metre behind me! The kids are in the back and I'm just getting wild. He can't overtake due to oncoming traffic, I slow down and he overtakes on a double lane around a corner! Yelling and beeping and giving us the finger as they overtake I flash the high beams at them so he slows down and slams his brakes on infront of me. Luckily the little Fiesta has decent brakes. I got his plate but seriously, there were little kids in the back? Where do these people get off? If I knew how to track them down through the licence plate I'd RUIN their lives in any reasonable way possible. Seriously, what an absolute . The worst thing is there were kids (older) in the car giving me the finger as they overtake, what great parenting skills...

I'd just love to post the licence number here.

geckoGT · 28-06-2009, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RapidTyphoon

But it's not just at school zones. I picked up my new car last Saturday, so I took my little cousins (7, 12 and 15) for a drive. There is a lot of road works going on and the limits which used to be 100 are now 60 km/h. I'm driving along obeying the speed limits, going just over 60 and this in a White 2000-2006 Mitsubishi Pajero comes roaring up my tail. My car is a new WS Fiesta, and he wasn't more than a metre behind me! The kids are in the back and I'm just getting wild. He can't overtake due to oncoming traffic, I slow down and he overtakes on a double lane around a corner! Yelling and beeping and giving us the finger as they overtake I flash the high beams at them so he slows down and slams his brakes on infront of me. Luckily the little Fiesta has decent brakes. I got his plate but seriously, there were little kids in the back? Where do these people get off? If I knew how to track them down through the licence plate I'd RUIN their lives in any reasonable way possible. Seriously, what an absolute . The worst thing is there were kids (older) in the car giving me the finger as they overtake, what great parenting skills...

I'd just love to post the licence number here.

But remember, it is all your fault, you should have sped up to get away from him, how dare you obey road rules

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dannyhilton · 28-06-2009, 07:27 PM

Haha yes, yes very right!

FORCED F6 · 28-06-2009, 07:44 PM

I see the anger and frustration of members and the community of this topic...

Firstly, when we are talking about 40km/h speed limit during school zones, I think we need to take into condiseration that it shouldn't apply to all schools. Primary schools (grades between 1-6) YES! it should apply...

BUT, when it comes to high school's the speed limit should not apply at all and be kept at the nomal speed limit. If you ask me why, kids in high school these days know how to have sex, use drugs, booze around, etc... Dont tell me that these kids cant cross a damn bloody road... So NO!, it shouldnt apply to those schools...

GT69 · 28-06-2009, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BAXR6BOSS

I see the anger and frustration of members and the community of this topic...

Firstly, when we are talking about 40km/h speed limit during school zones, I think we need to take into condiseration that it shouldn't apply to all schools. Primary schools (grades between 1-6) YES! it should apply...

BUT, when it comes to high school's the speed limit should not apply at all and be kept at the nomal speed limit. If you ask me why, kids in high school these days know how to have sex, use drugs, booze around, etc... Dont tell me that these kids cant cross a damn bloody road... So NO!, it shouldnt apply to those schools...

I agree with that, the unit in town has a 40 zone as well? 7 days a week...something like 6am to 6pm?

Good to see the future of Australia is studying advanced whatever at uni...yet cant cross a road

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geckoGT · 28-06-2009, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BAXR6BOSS

I see the anger and frustration of members and the community of this topic...

Firstly, when we are talking about 40km/h speed limit during school zones, I think we need to take into condiseration that it shouldn't apply to all schools. Primary schools (grades between 1-6) YES! it should apply...

BUT, when it comes to high school's the speed limit should not apply at all and be kept at the nomal speed limit. If you ask me why, kids in high school these days know how to have sex, use drugs, booze around, etc... Dont tell me that these kids cant cross a damn bloody road... So NO!, it shouldnt apply to those schools...

But it now applies around busy retail districts and night club districts. So it applies to shoppers and drunks but high school kids are not worth protecting?

4Vman · 28-06-2009, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by geckoGT

But it now applies around busy retail districts and night club districts. So it applies to shoppers and drunks but high school kids are not worth protecting?

Exactly.. it doesnt matter what age the pedestrians are, if there is an area of high use or congestion, where a slip or slight loss of concentration does happen i can't see why it hurts to err on the side of caution. To think otherwise is again going down that path of second guessing "what's best"...

prydey · 28-06-2009, 08:01 PM

these speed restricted zones are never usually more than a couple of hundred metres in length. how much of a rush are people in that they can't afford to slow down for such a small amount of time.

it wouldn't hurt some people to go and live in the country or a small town for a bit where 'community spirit' still survives. people watching out for everyone else rather than themselves.

GT69 · 28-06-2009, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Exactly.. it doesnt matter what age the pedestrians are, if there is an area of high use or congestion, where a slip or slight loss of concentration does happen i can't see why it hurts to err on the side of caution. To think otherwise is again going down that path of second guessing "what's best"...

However true that may be, to me that reads towards a 10kph speed limit everywhere 'just in case'.

Why not ban cars in business/school/or other wise pedestrian heavy area? That would make it 100% safe for people blunder around without any form of concentration.

Do you not think education is a better solution? People growing up feeling that cars will give way to them....coz its happened all their lives, will find themselves 2 feet deep in someones radiator grille.....

FORCED F6 · 28-06-2009, 08:43 PM

I just see it as it should be applied to certain areas and districts. Again I see ppl disobeying the limits everywhere and some people dont care, but the ones that are caught by police, results in severe fines. I agree wit all above but what can you do, lets face it cos all this rubbish will still continue...

4Vman · 28-06-2009, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GT69

However true that may be, to me that reads towards a 10kph speed limit everywhere 'just in case'.

Why not ban cars in business/school/or other wise pedestrian heavy area? That would make it 100% safe for people blunder around without any form of concentration.

Do you not think education is a better solution? People growing up feeling that cars will give way to them....coz its happened all their lives, will find themselves 2 feet deep in someones radiator grille.....

Education of what? telling people what they already know?
Everyday young people, supposedly educated and mature enough get given a piece of plastic allowing them to drive on the roads, in the past 24 hrs in melb alone 6 of them have died from reckless law breaking acts and 1 was caught driving 190 in a 60 zone.... They all knew what was right and wrong.
If people wont follow the rules then they/we gradually loose freedoms and get restrictions, the lowest common denominator dictates the rules.... Protect the innocent from the stupid...
EVERY TIME someone does something stupid in a car and it hits the news it potentially jeopardises our future freedom to enjoy our vehicles... let alone the potential devastation caused from the loss of life..

GT69 · 28-06-2009, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Education of what? telling people what they already know?
Everyday young people, supposedly educated and mature enough get given a piece of plastic allowing them to drive on the roads, in the past 24 hrs in melb alone 6 of them have died from reckless law breaking acts and 1 was caught driving 190 in a 60 zone.... They all knew what was right and wrong.
If people wont follow the rules then they/we gradually loose freedoms and get restrictions, the lowest common denominator dictates the rules.... Protect the innocent from the stupid...
EVERY TIME someone does something stupid in a car and it hits the news it potentially jeopardises our future freedom to enjoy our vehicles... let alone the potential devastation caused from the loss of life..

Oh don't get me wrong, I agree with your points, i was just adding a different perspective. There really isn't an answer to the question, other than banning all forms of transportation and moving back into the mountains. And then no doubt the stupids will find a way to do themselves harm as well.

I think the law makers have atleast attempted (even if it is just a vote buying attempt) to do something about road tolls. I just don't personally believe a van with a speed camera fixes it.

To take the human element completely out of it, I personally believe X percentage of road users will die, either via the acts of stupids, not paying attention or whatever else. I'm lucky. I've never been in a serious accident personally, but if i were to bet on how i myself will die, I'd be tipping at the hands of a drunk driver.

Unfortunately you cant have your cake and eat it. Mandatory 'all cars above 50hp will be scrapped' rules or the like would be across the board. Which means the good responsible drivers who want that new GT or F6 wont be able to because some moron decided he'd try and be skaifey and write himself off.

ILLaViTaR · 28-06-2009, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucknaked

That means your worse than speeding drivers because your not displaying your plates.

Speeding is against the law, so is not displaying your P-Plates. So no diff really :P:P

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Lol I guess not displaying plates is worse than drug driving too?

I don't display my P plates either haven't for 7 months now.

What's the point, other drivers fail to see a bright white continuous line, keep left signs, speed limit signs and even complete cars at times.
So using some standard deviation I've calculated that one in 500 would actually acknowledge and see P plates on my car. Then I realised those are the people who actually have perception meaning that they don't need to know I'm a P plater, they're capable of decision making in dangerous situations themselves. Thus making them pointless leading to removal.