What's more dangerous 10km over or 10km under?

[b0son]

Originally Posted by ltd_on20s

hmm whos going to be the first to test this one out in court.......

John Singleton already did IIRC...

[4Vman]

Being able to out brake other cars could possibly avoid front end damage..... but also result in the rear of your car being caved in......

[FPV+fteT3]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Being able to out brake other cars could possibly avoid front end damage..... but also result in the rear of your car being caved in......

That would mean the car behind is not following at a safe distance your NCB would be intact and the car behind would require an insurance claim and a neg driving ticket.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by fpv84d

That would mean the car behind is not following at a safe distance your NCB would be intact and the car behind would require an insurance claim and a neg driving ticket.

Thats fine till he nudges you into a tree or in front of a Kenworth coming the other way......

[DoreSlamR]

So, despite my very broad question, the polls seems to reflect my sentiments on the issue.

It would be interesting to ask people who do sit under the limit in good conditions, why they do it...

Maybe I should post a poll on the Camry forums

[Daymoe]

Originally Posted by DoreSlamR

So, despite my very broad question, the polls seems to reflect my sentiments on the issue.

It would be interesting to ask people who do sit under the limit in good conditions, why they do it...

Maybe I should post a poll on the Camry forums

So Dad doesn't crack the poo poos with me, so the police stay off my back and so Mum doesn't stress out too much when I drive.

[Marduk]

You have admitted to purposely doing 80km in a 100km zone.
In that circumstance your Dad should be cracking it with you, the police should be all of over you and your mum should be stressing out. Doing 80 in a 100 is dangerous.

[Daymoe]

Originally Posted by Marduk

You have admitted to purposely doing 80km in a 100km zone.
In that circumstance your Dad should be cracking it with you, the police should be all of over you and your mum should be stressing out. Doing 80 in a 100 is dangerous.

Not on my roads when theres a total of just me on the road maybe another 2 or 3 cars, I live out in the country, theres basically no one on the road and its full of pot holes and uneven surfaces anyway. Driving instructor and parents have no problem with it, either do the other drivers on the road who I let overtake me.

[Pete from Port]

Ah sourbastard, a man after my own heart, massive heart attack, massive stroke,massive truck beats starvation any day...

[tara13]

i've noticed doing alot of country driving that alot of people are driving under the speed limit.....personally i think it's stupid....at least drive on the speed limit so you don't frustrate the people behind you who then do stupid things to overtake.

as for why they drive slow....i always thought that when petrol prices went up there was a campaign which told drivers that if you drive 10kph under the speed limit you use alot less petrol.

just a thought :eclipsee_

[ltd_on20s]

Originally Posted by b0son

John Singleton already did IIRC...

im thinking someone not so high profile...like you and me...

[IDT]

There are a lot of reasons someone can be ten k's below the limit so I am forced to say it is not more dangerous. I cant think of any real reason to be over the limit.

Mind you I am as guitly as the next bloke when it comes to being just over the limit.

[Pete from Port]

Out in the sticks with little traffic under or over doesn't matter ,makes little difference as overtaking is easy & safe. The problem arises on major arterial roads without decent overtaking duals. These roads are supposed to be the lifeblood of the nation not somewhere for some incompetent to try out his safety theories. Do 1000klm at av 100klm/hr it takes 10hrs....at av80klm/hr it takes 12.5hrs. This is NOT the couple of minutes the safety nuts always seem to state. The top figure is what the interstaters are trying to get and their B double/road train is a worthy adversary to some idiot in a 73 Corolla tooling along with his hand in his pocket.

[Daymoe]

Originally Posted by Pete from Port

Out in the sticks with little traffic under or over doesn't matter ,makes little difference as overtaking is easy & safe. The problem arises on major arterial roads without decent overtaking duals. These roads are supposed to be the lifeblood of the nation not somewhere for some incompetent to try out his safety theories. Do 1000klm at av 100klm/hr it takes 10hrs....at av80klm/hr it takes 12.5hrs. This is NOT the couple of minutes the safety nuts always seem to state. The top figure is what the interstaters are trying to get and their B double/road train is a worthy adversary to some idiot in a 73 Corolla tooling along with his hand in his pocket.

I've never been on a major road like you describe, unless you're talking about a highway like the Calder, then I'm usualy on 100/105km/h in the LEFT lane.

[Pete from Port]

Pacific Highway, New England highway,Princes highway in their not yet upgraded sections. I have to be fair though the roads in NSW have never been better and anyone who thinks no roadwork is happening just doesn't go anywhere.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by tara13

as for why they drive slow....i always thought that when petrol prices went up there was a campaign which told drivers that if you drive 10kph under the speed limit you use alot less petrol.

You do use less petrol at 80kmh than 110. This is why most Caravans/Motorhomes drive around this speed, it's a PITA but something we have to put up with.

Originally Posted by Pete from Port

Pacific Highway, New England highway,Princes highway in their not yet upgraded sections. I have to be fair though the roads in NSW have never been better

ROFL I noticed the Newell did'nt get a mention...been out there lately?

[290v]

All i know when i am coming from Victoria to Sth Australia i can't waite to hit that 110kms speed limit on the SA side and get moving again

[gtfpv]

hey guys . JUST OUT OF INTEREST. CAN SOMEONE WORK OUT THE AVERAGE AGE . OF THOSE WHO VOTED 10KAYS OVER/ VERSUS/ 10 KAYS UNDER. ???

i bett that the guys who voted for 10kms over the speed limit being more dangerous is 10 years higher than those who voted the other way. .
these results will be more interesting than the POLL , itself !!!

[Jack91]

To whoever said that the P and L platers limited to 80 is the stupidest thing ever. I agree 1000000000000000%. It is so hard to fathom how the government thought that one up. On my L's I tried very hard to abide by that law, about a month in on my P's I'd seen so many close calls of just really stupid, utterly dumb overtaking situations, I just gave up. I do the limit now, Ive been overtaken by cops 3 times so far, when Im knowingly doing 100 when I should only be doing 80, with my p plates on, on the highway, never once pulled over. Even police must think its too stupid to enforce.

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by 93_eb_fairmont

To whoever said that the P and L platers limited to 80 is the stupidest thing ever. I agree 1000000000000000%. It is so hard to fathom how the government thought that one up. On my L's I tried very hard to abide by that law, about a month in on my P's I'd seen so many close calls of just really stupid, utterly dumb overtaking situations, I just gave up. I do the limit now, Ive been overtaken by cops 3 times so far, when Im knowingly doing 100 when I should only be doing 80, with my p plates on, on the highway, never once pulled over. Even police must think its too stupid to enforce.

it's a policemans job to book you for going over the speed limit . and they will mate . thier opinion is not what matters . what matters is how many people they book .
your opinion is wrong . you will get booked . and in your case it sounds like giving lollies to kids . easy.

[tex]

Originally Posted by 93_eb_fairmont

To whoever said that the P and L platers limited to 80 is the stupidest thing ever. I agree 1000000000000000%. It is so hard to fathom how the government thought that one up. On my L's I tried very hard to abide by that law, about a month in on my P's I'd seen so many close calls of just really stupid, utterly dumb overtaking situations, I just gave up. I do the limit now, Ive been overtaken by cops 3 times so far, when Im knowingly doing 100 when I should only be doing 80, with my p plates on, on the highway, never once pulled over. Even police must think its too stupid to enforce.

Ok, your opinion is as worthwhile as any on here, no argument with that.

And so is mine - so here it is. At your level of driving experience, (and especially if this is comenserate with your age ie you're a teenager) I know you could drive at 140kmph. I'm sure you could drive even faster if your car would achieve a higher rate of velocity. Infact, after a month on the road - you probably already have....... But the point is, you have not had the hours / kilometers in control / out of control (deliberate choice of words there) to regain total control should a mundane trip turn pear shaped. And the higher the rate of velocity, the less likely a favourable outcome.

Sure you may very well be the next Craig Lowndes, but, the majority of inexperienced drivers are not. Plus, too many in that demographic have not acquired the maturity to have an ounce of consequential thought process. You know, the ability to pause for a second to way up the what if scenarios.

ON Xmas eve, at 10.45pm on the 110 kmph limited Bass Highway, I was travelling at 118kmph on a arrow straight section of dual lane in my GT, when I was literally blown sideways by a E series Falcon and a old series Commodore travelling at maybe 180. Probably more. They were 'racing' and the bloody commodore was in front! Frightened crap out of my wife, and the P plates were there on the back window of the Falcon for all to see. Sensible??? NUP. Amongst traffic yes. Xmas eve, what the Fork were they thinking???? More than likely nothing, as the brain at 17 for most teenagers is NOT wired to think beyond the testosterone fueled chubby inducing thrill of the 'moment'

I'm not meaning to sound lecturess, that's not me at all. Nor do I state the above as a criticism. I'm only 37 myself, and realise I have only 20 years and more than 600000km of road and track driving experience, and that I need to learn a heap more. I remember well the bullet proof outlook I had for many years, and the care free, consequential free behaviour I endulged in often. So yeh, I admit pot calling the kettle black.

I do not drive like Harold Scrubey wishes, infact I am too often guilty of voluntary revinue contributions to the State Government for highway indiscretions. My foolishness. BUT, I do drive at the posted limit when the conditions require it, I do not drive as if my life is about to end UNLESS I go past the vehicle being driven slower than the posted limit, and I DO the consequential thought process before burying the right foot.

So, I can see the sense in requiring kids with sweet FA experience to drive at a speed which lessens the likelyhood of an out - of - control scenario.

Less speed, if nothing else, gives you more 'head room' to regain control, and certainly makes the thump less severe. Even a bullet proof P plater can recognise that yeh?

tex

[Pete from Port]

Yes Gasolane ,I've been on the Newell only three weeks ago working from Forbes up to Moree. The Newell is not nearly as bad as the other three except for the bit from Gilgandra to Coonabarabran in the 100 zone. I sort of lumped it in with the other western highways as easy to make room for slow drivers....light traffic,good visibility, decent distance between corners, good surface, does have Highway Patrol all over it though.

[dreadly]

I believe that to a degree all speed limits are unnessacary...... Being that we should drive to with in- the road conditions, weather, surface etc... drive within the cars limits (safely) and the drivers limits also..... Lets say you drive from brisbane to sydney... its a long drive alot of cars these days are capable of doing say 140km easy.. no one at risk.
And yet of that long trip you'd spend about an hr of it added up looking at your damm speedo to see if your gonna get booked??
HELLO you eyes have been of the road for a &^%$#ing hr... That worries me alot more than some resonable travel speed? :

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by dreadly

I believe that to a degree all speed limits are unnessacary...... Being that we should drive to with in- the road conditions, weather, surface etc... drive within the cars limits (safely) and the drivers limits also..... Lets say you drive from brisbane to sydney... its a long drive alot of cars these days are capable of doing say 140km easy.. no one at risk.
And yet of that long trip you'd spend about an hr of it added up looking at your damm speedo to see if your gonna get booked??
HELLO you eyes have been of the road for a &^%$#ing hr... That worries me alot more than some resonable travel speed? :

You spend 5 seconds every min looking at your speedo on an open highway?? are you familiar with cruise control????
It takes a millisecond to have a quick glance at your speedo, about the same time as looking at the clock, and far less time than it takes to adjust your radio, look in the mirrors, change CD's, look at something in a paddock, etc etc....
In fact i'll bet anything you'd spend far more time looking in your mirrors our out the window at things going by than looking at your speedo, even if you don't have cruise control.

[dreadly]

Mate your kidding arnt ya?? You obviously havnt driven that drive recently or at all! There's about 37 different speed zones, along with about 16 speed cameras. 10- 20 school zones... and it's an national highway your nuts!
And i dont spend time looking out the windows... i enjoy the drive far more than the scenery...... And define an open highway.. there not even say 100kms with consecutive double lanes.... So cruise controls pointless.
And i hardly think thats an answer to having an exceptable duel lane highway linking the 3 biggest and most populated states qld, nsw, vic.... With an resonable speed set in place min 120kms all the way.. Australias to big of a place to have this problem.. And you dont see many cars say older than 10yrs anymore......revenue is not the answer!

Tex's comment was great also ;)

[dreadly]

And pete from port.... the roads around our area suck ***. The highway beteen say grafton and taree is just pathetic. And kempsey to port is a joke :( Is a national highway... yet has the quality of a dirt back road

[Daymoe]

I was sitting on 105/110 on the Calder yesterday I can say thats the fastest I've ever driven haha. Another reason why 99% of the time I'm under the limit is that its too easy to go 3km/h over at 100/110km/h and I'm worried about getting fined, because my money is mine, and I want to keep as much as possible :(

And no my Dad's car doesn't have cruise control, either does my Mum's.

[Jack91]

Originally Posted by tex

Ok, your opinion is as worthwhile as any on here, no argument with that.

And so is mine - so here it is. At your level of driving experience, (and especially if this is comenserate with your age ie you're a teenager) I know you could drive at 140kmph. I'm sure you could drive even faster if your car would achieve a higher rate of velocity. Infact, after a month on the road - you probably already have....... But the point is, you have not had the hours / kilometers in control / out of control (deliberate choice of words there) to regain total control should a mundane trip turn pear shaped. And the higher the rate of velocity, the less likely a favourable outcome.

Sure you may very well be the next Craig Lowndes, but, the majority of inexperienced drivers are not. Plus, too many in that demographic have not acquired the maturity to have an ounce of consequential thought process. You know, the ability to pause for a second to way up the what if scenarios.

ON Xmas eve, at 10.45pm on the 110 kmph limited Bass Highway, I was travelling at 118kmph on a arrow straight section of dual lane in my GT, when I was literally blown sideways by a E series Falcon and a old series Commodore travelling at maybe 180. Probably more. They were 'racing' and the bloody commodore was in front! Frightened crap out of my wife, and the P plates were there on the back window of the Falcon for all to see. Sensible??? NUP. Amongst traffic yes. Xmas eve, what the Fork were they thinking???? More than likely nothing, as the brain at 17 for most teenagers is NOT wired to think beyond the testosterone fueled chubby inducing thrill of the 'moment'

I'm not meaning to sound lecturess, that's not me at all. Nor do I state the above as a criticism. I'm only 37 myself, and realise I have only 20 years and more than 600000km of road and track driving experience, and that I need to learn a heap more. I remember well the bullet proof outlook I had for many years, and the care free, consequential free behaviour I endulged in often. So yeh, I admit pot calling the kettle black.

I do not drive like Harold Scrubey wishes, infact I am too often guilty of voluntary revinue contributions to the State Government for highway indiscretions. My foolishness. BUT, I do drive at the posted limit when the conditions require it, I do not drive as if my life is about to end UNLESS I go past the vehicle being driven slower than the posted limit, and I DO the consequential thought process before burying the right foot.

So, I can see the sense in requiring kids with sweet FA experience to drive at a speed which lessens the likelyhood of an out - of - control scenario.

Less speed, if nothing else, gives you more 'head room' to regain control, and certainly makes the thump less severe. Even a bullet proof P plater can recognise that yeh?

tex

Yeah, I can recognize that, but
Im at the stage, because ive been driving much longer before I had my license that I'm really starting to get over the whole burnouts/sideways/speeding that apparently all P platers must do. Ive done my fair share, maybe more, but stopped doing it when, as you point out, the what if debacle enters my mind. Obviously I'm not as experienced a driver as you, or many others here, I've probably only done 20,000 in my car and 10,000 in the work car nor have I been to track days like yourself and others. All Im saying is, I feel much safer doing 100km/h on the highway, so thats what Im going to do. I could also go on about how thirsty my car is, and why in the world should I use more fuel/time to get anywhere, how I pay the same for petrol and rego as everyone else, and craploads more insurance than everyone else, but that isnt why I choose to do 100, I choose to do 100 because I KNOW its safer for me and everyone around me. Flame if you will.

[bd737]

A vehicle travelling at 110 will be slightly more deadly than one at 100, but not by much overall. 100kph is still deadly!

It's unnerving having to ride with someone or drive alongside someone who lacks to confidence to drive at the posted limit, proper conditions permitting of course. Dare I say they shouldn't be there if they're not comfortable with it.

Although, it is quite amusing country driving and coming across the city daytrippers in their Tucson City's and Corolla's doing the obligatory 10 kays under on the straights, slowing down 15 kays for the gentle bends and speeding up for the pending overtaking lanes.

Keep it up city daytrippers, my Barra 190 loves overtaking on the straights! :evil3:

[Pete from Port]

Originally Posted by dreadly

And pete from port.... the roads around our area suck ***. The highway beteen say grafton and taree is just pathetic. And kempsey to port is a joke :( Is a national highway... yet has the quality of a dirt back road

Ah dreadly, I can remember taking 4 hours to get from Greenacre to Nelson Bay in an XE 351 towing a cat. 1985. And driving to Melbourne from Sydney when there was not even one INCH of dual carriageway.XK 144 auto wagon. 1967. Gutless trucks NO passing lanes and pathetic headlights. Phillip Island to Sydney on Princes Hwy. Same wagon, 200 now, 'B" series BMC gearbag Princes Goattrack.1968.
Even the Walgett to Wee Waa road is today a far better one than those and it is 110 all the way. I'll agree there is room for improvement but they are getting there. (although why 80 limit Northbound in the new bit on that bridge 4 klicks South of Kempsey I'll never know)
In the 45 years I've been driving, and I got around even back then racing motorcycles, the state of the roads has improved out of all recognition.