how to stop a 'hoon'..

[lukep]

Originally Posted by Van D

You would seek revenge even though you were acting like a tool and endangering people time and time again?

Your last sentence sums up the scum boyracer's we get around here. They disobey the law, the police can't even enforce it on them, and when a citizen stands up to one or more of them, they get gang bashed or weapons pulled on them (either on the spot, or they come get 'revenge' later when the person is alone and there's 20 of them).

Pathetic pieces of these type are.

For this case, whilst I think the 4WD went too far, I can understand where he's coming from, and instead of crying about it like girls, hopefully the 'boyracers' learn a lesson.

doing donuts in a tennis court aint gona kill know one.

[ratter]

Originally Posted by lukep

doing donuts in a tennis court aint gona kill know one.

what about tennis players ??

[J.C.]

Originally Posted by lukep

doing donuts in a tennis court aint gona kill know one.

No, but it seems obvious that it is annoying. Especially when you are trying to serve. :

[mrniceguy]

Idiots all round. The hoons for ****ing people off by doing burnouts in the same area again and again. And the 4wd driver for risking peoples lives by ramming them. While i have done burnouts in the past and love seeing them, that does not stop me from understanding that Joe Average hates everything about them. Wrong place, wrong time.

[azaxr8]

Originally Posted by Van D

You would seek revenge even though you were acting like a tool and endangering people time and time again?

Your last sentence sums up the scum boyracer's we get around here. They disobey the law, the police can't even enforce it on them, and when a citizen stands up to one or more of them, they get gang bashed or weapons pulled on them (either on the spot, or they come get 'revenge' later when the person is alone and there's 20 of them).

Pathetic pieces of these type are.

For this case, whilst I think the 4WD went too far, I can understand where he's coming from, and instead of crying about it like girls, hopefully the 'boyracers' learn a lesson.

As i do agree with you at the scum that lives in this world. But you seem time and time again that this is the case untill someone steps down? You can't expect to go to a club being a dickwad and not get bashed. So what happens? you accept the flogging or get angry and wanna smash him? so you get friends to help give the f%^ker a flogging. The proccess never ends.

We both know what kids are like. But to have your car written off even thou your being a total ? what do you do? accept it as your bad or get angry and wanna get the back?

[ozfast]

no use going the police option TOOTHLESS TIGERS!!!.made 4 reports on the same rice burner near my place,been going on for over a month now,maybe i should go the brick option!!!

[azaxr8]

they both are idiots. We all do burnouts. But not all of us are stupid enuff to drive our cars directly into someone elses property. And cause thousands of dollars damage and could have possibly killed someone?

What if the 4wd drivers actions resulted in a death? would your opinions be the same?
NO! you would be opposite and saying jail the fker.

What they have done is both immature and childish. They both need to take there actions in to account and accept the punishments of there actions as they were both in the wrong.

[Nikked]

Lets put this scenario in a different context:

Boy is playing music loud, next door neighbour gets base ball bat and wacks him on the head.

the 4wd owner showed no more intelligence then the "boyracers" buy jumping in his 4wd and ramming a car, in fact its probably a bit more moronic...

[Van D]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Lets put this scenario in a different context:

Boy is playing music loud, next door neighbour gets base ball bat and wacks him on the head.

No, to put it in 'context'. It'd be boy plays loud music, neighbour gets baseball bat and damages his stereo.

[TUF_302]

Good on the 4WD owner i say!, idiots like that need to be pushed off the roads!!

[lukep]

old mate in 4wd could of got them busted if he really wanted to(video camera,mobile phone and homemade spike strips)i hope that the 4wd owner gets everything he deserves!

[azaxr8]

any info on the outcomes of the court case? would love to know

[Sloth]

Here you go.

Link to story

[XplosiveR6]

Originally Posted by Sloth

Here you go.

Link to story

Looks like the man who rammed the car has got the more serious charge on his hands. Which is a shame, looking forward to the end verdict though.

[Sloth]

Read these older ones too, they paint the picture a bit better.

Man who rammed racer to be charged

Angry resident rams racer's car

[Fev]

OK. Its not about the smoke guys or the fact that its just a burnout - its about them doing it on:
a) public property which is used for sport - not a burnout pad)
b) endangering children and people that use that area for said sport
c) noise pollution - would you like some douche in a lancer throwin maccas trays under the rear wheels and redlining it every afternoon up the street after you get back from work?

time and a place...

[Sloth]

^Yes mate exactly.

It's fair enough for the residents to be behind this guy. I live locally and go to tech about 2 kms away from where this story took place. It is a quiet residential street with lots of homes. There is a school just over the fence from the courts. By the sounds of it they often have interuptions.

This city has had huge problems with boy racers, and after a participant being hit and killed last year, cars were been banned from all industrial streets after 9:30 pm (or face a $700 fine), thus forcing them into residential areas or out of town.

I've been woken by them in the early morning on numerous occasions (inc 5:30am last saturday) tearing around my neighbourhood, blasting their horns and being idiots. And when they gather in an area they also trash the place, broken bottles, pull down signs, diesel and rubber all over the road and make noise. The cops rarely catch them because they scan the police radio frequencies so that they know when to bail.

Both in the wrong, yes but the hoon does not have my sympathy.

[Nikked]

Hoons may be anoying but that does not justify a man to rush out and ram his 4wd into a car, i don't see how that action can be defended. All he needed to do was get some vid eviedence showing the numberplate. I hope this idiot gets treated as harsh as any hoon...

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by sleekism

You serious!!

Anybody else here seen the movie Stone???

Dr satan is awsome, as is that movie...Racing around balmian (?) and hanging out at middle head, sounds fun!

[Fev]

sounds like a hoon

[Sloth]

News from yesterday. Thought some of you might be interested.

From: http://www.bayofplentytimes.co.nz/lo...ondsubsection=

'I'd do it again' says man who rammed boy racer

25.10.2008
by Lauren Owens


The Welcome Bay man who rammed a boyracer with his 4WD said he "would not hesitate" to do it again after he was sentenced in court yesterday.

Edwin Murray, 53, a driller, was due to face the court for a depositions hearing yesterday in Tauranga District Court but when the charges were reduced he changed his plea to guilty.

He was convicted and sentenced on a charge of reckless driving and threatening language - and was ordered to pay $500 reparation to the teenage driver as part of his sentence.

Police withdrew the charge of assault with a blunt instrument [a car] and replaced the threatening to kill with a charge of using threatening language.

In a twist, it was also revealed that the car doing burnouts was "pink-stickered" by police and should not have been on the road. It had earlier been reported that it was unregistered and unwarranted.

In June this year, Murray twice rammed into Daniel Machin's vehicle pushing it 15m into a fence after he found him doing burnouts in a nearby carpark.

The court yesterday heard how at 6pm on a rainy evening, Murray, a Cumberland Crescent resident, heard a vehicle doing burnouts nearby and smelt smoke.

Telling his wife to call the police he drove his 4WD to the nearby tennis courts carpark where he found a Nissan Cefiro doing burnouts.

In his attempt to stop the vehicle escaping before police arrived, Murray twice rammed the vehicle and jumped out of his car, yelling at the 18-year-old driver and his passenger, punching the windows and kicking the door panels.

He later told police, "I'm sick of them. They are doing it most nights."

Murray's actions evoked comments from locals that he should get a "medal, not charges laid" and several neighbours rallied around in support.

However, the court saw it differently yesterday.

On the reckless driving charge, Murray was fined $500 and court costs of $130, as well as disqualified from driving for six months.

He was also ordered to pay $500 reparation to the young driver - less than half the amount argued for by prosecution.

On the charge of threatening language, Murray was convicted and fined $200.

Murray's lawyer, Viv Winiata, asked Community Magistrate Mary Symmans to consider reducing the six-month disqualification period for reckless driving given the unique circumstances of the case.

"To a point his actions are to be applauded," he said.

"The police and court would hardly want people to stay in their homes and turn a blind eye."

His client knew he had been "overzealous" in his actions but it was an "understandable response from a citizen who has had enough of this behaviour," he said.

Mr Winiata successfully argued that Murray not pay the full reparation amount of $1065 and instead offered $500.

Outside the courtroom after his sentencing, Murray told the Bay of Plenty Times he was pretty happy with the outcome.

"I bet you are," came the angry response from the mother of Daniel Machin, the boyracer.

Tensions were high as Murray and Machin's mother heatedly argued outside the courtroom until court security stepped in.

"They [boyracers] are mongrels and they will stay mongrels and I will do anything I can to get rid of them," Murray said.

"Little pricks like that devalue our properties."

Mrs Machin, who would not give her first name, said Murray's sentencing was "a joke".

"As far as I'm concerned he got a slap on the wrist."

Mr Murray had not taken responsibility for his actions, she said, while her son, now 19, was still on medication for lower back pain as the result of his car being rammed.

Her son knew he was in the wrong, she said, and should not have been driving the pink-stickered car. He had taken it out that day to show to prospective buyers.

"This is a 53-year-old man who lost his rag, went over there - in his undies - and ranted and raved to two scared 17 and 18-year-olds," she said.

Daniel Machin was convicted in July on a charge of driving in manner which caused sustained loss of traction and fined $1000.

He also lost his licence for eight months and was ordered to not have any part in ownership of a vehicle for 12 months.

Prosecuting officer, Sergeant Craig Kitto, said it was not acceptable to dish out vigilante style punishment and Murray should have instead taken down the registration number for police to deal with.

He reminded the court that Murray by no means had a clean police record, including a charge of dangerous driving and supplying false information. His last court appearance in 2003 was on a non-driving related matter.

[GasoLane]

Thanks for keeping us up to date.

Justice was almost done

[AndrewR_AUII]

While a bit over the top, it seems that the actions taken were an act of desperation after inaction by the authorities on the issue over a period of time - and not just the one incident.

ROFL at burnout boys mummy standing up for him.

[gcg2503]

still on medication for lower back pain

sure he is........

[uranium_death]

If you want to stop a hoon, just stick a pin in their head and watch it deflate...

[colossus]

After reading that article I was going to say it seemed like a fair outcome all round - however I then read the last paragraph:

"He reminded the court that Murray by no means had a clean police record, including a charge of dangerous driving and supplying false information . His last court appearance in 2003 was on a non-driving related matter."

Talk about pot, kettle, black.

Guess I can go around ramming cars that annoy me now and get a $500 fine - cool.

[Tuddy200]

Originally Posted by colossus

After reading that article I was going to say it seemed like a fair outcome all round - however I then read the last paragraph:

"He reminded the court that Murray by no means had a clean police record, including a charge of dangerous driving and supplying false information . His last court appearance in 2003 was on a non-driving related matter."

Talk about pot, kettle, black.

Guess I can go around ramming cars that annoy me now and get a $500 fine - cool.

I agree.

I thought it was only; Young & Stupid, now we have more and more Old & Stupid.

I love the way that people around here bring the old pot up about "Back in my day, we got a good flogging for something wrong, so these days we are good little boys", yes, well those same kids back then are now our 56 year old pedophiles. We now have a DVD on sale here in Aus that shows you how to hit small children at the age of 2 months with platic rods!

Yes, your all such great people these days because you got a flogging. Maybe the ones on this forum are, but thats the minority, people really need to stop thinking that how they are, is how every other person the same age as them is.

Don't get me wrong, hooning is a major problem in almost any town/city, and I don't have the answer, but I think history tells us that allowing you to give your children a good flogging isn't the answer.

[ST]

I can't believe some of you are saying "good on him" to the 4wd owner. I hate hoons as much as anyone does but if this had of played out slightly differently you all would be condemning his actions.

Considering he pushed the car 15 metres and wrote it off he was lucky he had not seriously injured the driver/passengers of the car. An incredibly stupid response to incredibly stupid behaviour. If you are going to take the law into your own hands, as a few of you have said already; drag the d'head out of his car and rough him up.

[GORDZ]

Originally Posted by ST

Considering he pushed the car 15 metres and wrote it off he was lucky he had not seriously injured the driver/passengers of the car. An incredibly stupid response to incredibly stupid behaviour. If you are going to take the law into your own hands, as a few of you have said already; drag the d'head out of his car and rough him up.

How is roughing him up outside of his car different to roughing him up inside the car?

IMO they should both be done for wreckless driving, the 4wd with intent to cause bodily harm and the repair bill for the written off car & medical (back medications), and the 'boyracer' to face the relevant fines for unregistered vehicle etc.

I think it's wrong how lawyers can influence, twist, and have their own say on a handed down sentence. Either the judge determines the punishment or they walk....

Would love to see the same sort of thing in america... sues, counter-sues, should be a good laugh

[XR06T]

smoke from the tyres in the rain issit?