Falcon vs Commodore vs 380 vs Aurion vs Camry

[charles_wif_xf]

Originally Posted by schnoods

A FIAT?


You know what the say about FIATs ?

Fix It Again Tony.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

[xwgasaxe]

My work car is an Aurion,
The engine and gearbox are the best combination available in a base model with very impressive power and smooth shifting( except the Auto's manual gate shift direction being incorrect).

The spring and damper settings are a complete mismatch with spring rates far to soft resulting in excessive body roll and the dampers have bad low speed <60km/h absorption which transmits directly to the seats.

The ESP and T/C are not switchable to the off position which disturbs me especially when cornering hard in 2nd gear and the engine cuts power and causes the vehicle to behave poorly.

Having said this I have just spent the last week driving a 100 ser Landcruiser on a mixture of dirt and hwy and can't wait to get back to my car as the diesel Landy's are pretty slow.

[Aulpgute]

Just did a 350km round trip today in an Aurion with 15k on it. Driving it normally and as a day to day proposition I was very very impressed. Part of today's 350kms was running around a colleague who's VE Calais V series is dead at the dealers for the 5th time. Have done a day in the VE as well, excellent chassis but not much else about it to impress. I'm a long time Ford man with a weekend Ford toy but as I frove home tonight in my BF XR6 which is due to be replaced next month I was trying to decide what colour Aurion I'm going to order because as a day to day business tool I cant go past it.

[zebu]

380 because i work at a mitsu dealership and could get it cheap :p

[burnz]

i already drive a holden so i'll reverse the question
i'd buy a ford if holden didn't exist
380/aurion/camry all white goods on wheels
V8 rwd is the only choice.
what else is their!

[blueoval]

Im surprised the 380 is polling so well. I would have thought most would have hated the thought.

[XR8-260]

I'm suprised that some people even voted for the camry lol. If they want toyota, the aurion is much better.

[Aulpgute]

This is an interesting thread. Yes the Aurion is so much better than Camry because of the power etc and I hear all the vibe from the anti front wheel drive fraternity and from an enthusiasts viewpoint I agree but those damn Toyota whitegoods are just so tight and reliable day to day. Guess I'm fortunate to have a RWD toy and that will help me live with a FWD day to day.

[charles_wif_xf]

Originally Posted by 3

I'm suprised that some people even voted for the camry lol. If they want toyota, the aurion is much better.

IT'S THE SAME CAR!!! How can it be better than the Camry? Oh, sorry, the Aurion Camry has a V6.

[XR8-260]

Originally Posted by charles_wif_xf

IT'S THE SAME CAR!!! How can it be better than the Camry? Oh, sorry, the Aurion Camry has a V6.

Exactly what I meant. Much better preformance, 6spd gearbox and better official fuel economy.

[fordxrtfan]

Have driven the Aurion & the Omega and if I really had to choose would go the Aurion

[TEaaron]

You guys are idiots.

How could you chose a commodore over a spaceship?

[Falcon Freak]

I can't believe the 6 cylinder VE is so slow. The latest Wheels magazine shows the V6 Berlina got absolutely spanked by the other locally manufactured 6 cylinders. I think a 4 cylinder Camry would give a 6 cylinder Omega or Berlina a hard time. My latest Falcon eats 6 cylinder Commodores.

FF

[Fordoldie]

Originally Posted by Falcon Freak

I can't believe the 6 cylinder VE is so slow. The latest Wheels magazine shows the V6 Berlina got absolutely spanked by the other locally manufactured 6 cylinders. I think a 4 cylinder Camry would give a 6 cylinder Omega or Berlina a hard time. My latest Falcon eats 6 cylinder Commodores.

FF

Fortunately for them people dont buy N/A six cylinder cars to win races. I drive them every day for work and you wouldnt call them slow by any means - even the base model.

[Falcon Freak]

It is not about winning races. It is about having enough grunt to put smart ***** back in their place when they try to carve you up. With the ZF six speed I no longer fear 6 cylinder Commodores when they try to challenge me for the same piece of road.

Pity the V8 Falcons play second fiddle to the V8 Commonbores.

FF

[merlin]

Out of that list definatly the Spaceship - with optional sunroof though. It would proabbly use less fuel than the VE too.

[flukey77]

Might be slightly off topic but i have to have a bit of a vent.

I just finished reading the new wheels article comparing these cars and i noticed that the average fuel comsumption figures showed that the falcon had the best all round fuel economy of them all, which the writers put down to a combo of the good gearbox and low down torque of the motor. Anyway whats really cheesing me off is that when the Aurion first came out Toyota was advertising it to be the most fuel efficient big 6 car, despite the fact that this is the second comparo i have read which indicates that it isnt! Now your average john citizen who knows nothing about cars and doesnt read wheels will currently be assuming that the aurion is more fuel efficient than a "big thirsty falcon", and he will be heading to Toyota for his next car! No wonder Ford is struggling. Come on Ford, get some counter marketing going!!

Ok sorry about that lads, cheers for hearing me out.

[JBomb3000]

Originally Posted by flukey77

Might be slightly off topic but i have to have a bit of a vent.

I just finished reading the new wheels article comparing these cars and i noticed that the average fuel comsumption figures showed that the falcon had the best all round fuel economy of them all, which the writers put down to a combo of the good gearbox and low down torque of the motor. Anyway whats really cheesing me off is that when the Aurion first came out Toyota was advertising it to be the most fuel efficient big 6 car, despite the fact that this is the second comparo i have read which indicates that it isnt! Now your average john citizen who knows nothing about cars and doesnt read wheels will currently be assuming that the aurion is more fuel efficient than a "big thirsty falcon", and he will be heading to Toyota for his next car! No wonder Ford is struggling. Come on Ford, get some counter marketing going!!

Ok sorry about that lads, cheers for hearing me out.

The Aurion claim is based on a standard Falcon with the 4 speed auto not the optional 6 speed. I though the falcon came out bloody well in the article your talking about considering it was the oldest car of the lot. To have a car that is due to be replaced shortly only just beaten by the generals million dollar baby is a good effort i reckon.

[xwgasaxe]

Originally Posted by charles_wif_xf

IT'S THE SAME CAR!!! How can it be better than the Camry? Oh, sorry, the Aurion Camry has a V6.

Toyota has tried to give some model differentation by not sharing a single body panel between them even the rear quarters are different. Which is a hell of a lot better than when Holden went from VR to VS.

[stevz]

Originally Posted by xwgasaxe

Toyota has tried to give some model differentation by not sharing a single body panel between them even the rear quarters are different. Which is a hell of a lot better than when Holden went from VR to VS.

And how is that any different to Ford going from EF to EL?

[charles_wif_xf]

Originally Posted by xwgasaxe

Toyota has tried to give some model differentation by not sharing a single body panel between them even the rear quarters are different. Which is a hell of a lot better than when Holden went from VR to VS.

They have the same bloody doors, suspension and floorpan. They are for all intents and purposes THE SAME CAR!!!!!!

Do not construe my comments as a bagging of the Camry twins, they are a half decent car (for front drivers).

[AC]

Originally Posted by sleekism

Toyota Aurion

Pros:

-Looks pretty tough
-Engine sounds pretty tough

Cons:

Where do I begin theres heaps so i will list a few biggies

-Torqueless engine sounds tough but lacks testicles
-That dicky gate shift and upside down manual mode
-That crappy Torana style foot operated park brake
-Cheap crappy interior
-Crashy skittery ride
-Stupid FWD dynamics: try chucking a U turn in a hurry

Aurion Sportivo for sure.
Agreed on the Pros, not at all on the Cons.
And i do realise your only talking about the base models.
Definatly worth a few extra $$$ for the upgrade.

I went for a run in my mates new Aurion Sportivo tonight, obviously not a stocky Aurion like you'd get, but hey it was good. Even scared me a little.
The Sportivo was great!!!

We cant wait to take it down the runs one night. See how it goes.
He's just waiting for his TRD bits to come from Japaaannn...
Not too far away :evil3:

[LeadFoot81]

Originally Posted by xwgasaxe

Toyota has tried to give some model differentation by not sharing a single body panel between them even the rear quarters are different. Which is a hell of a lot better than when Holden went from VR to VS.

I thought they shared the same doors?

[JBomb3000]

Originally Posted by Inline6

I thought they shared the same doors?

Whatever there doing it's working. Add the Camry and Aurion sales together and they smash the falcon and are not far behind the commodore.

[Fordoldie]

Originally Posted by JBomb3000

Whatever there doing it's working. Add the Camry and Aurion sales together and they smash the falcon and are not far behind the commodore.

Why dont you add Corolla to the mix and really beat them all then?
Same answer to that question will give you a reply to your statement

[JBomb3000]

Originally Posted by Fordoldie

Why dont you add Corolla to the mix and really beat them all then?
Same answer to that question will give you a reply to your statement

No it's completely different i would have though. Prior to Aurion the camry was sold in 4cy and V6 versions. The aurion was effectively the replacement for the V6 camry which was then dropped. So due to some clever marketing and alleged "model differentiation" from toyota what is essentially one car is now being sold as 2 and is now selling alot more units because of it.

[Polyal]

LOL at the results, thats a ****er. Can I get a new Fiat 500 instead?

[AC]

Found this, Not sure if it was rigged or not, interesting tho

http://aurionv6.com.au/toyota/aurion...ingPerformance

Click on "Features" on the left, then click on the white dot on the bonnet.
Takes you to a 4 car drag race, VE, 380 BA XT and Aurion AT-X

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by 2ndOwner

Found this, Not sure if it was rigged or not, interesting tho

http://aurionv6.com.au/toyota/aurion...ingPerformance

Click on "Features" on the left, then click on the white dot on the bonnet.
Takes you to a 4 car drag race, VE, 380 BA XT and Aurion AT-X

That is interesting. I wonder if ALL drivers were serious about the race and not letting the toyota win. :P

[FlipXW]

Originally Posted by 2ndOwner

Found this, Not sure if it was rigged or not, interesting tho

http://aurionv6.com.au/toyota/aurion...ingPerformance

Click on "Features" on the left, then click on the white dot on the bonnet.
Takes you to a 4 car drag race, VE, 380 BA XT and Aurion AT-X

The commo got smashed :. Suprising how well the 380 went. However somehow i think this might be a set up