The tide is beginning to slowly turn our way..... - Page 3

ltd · 10-02-2006, 10:29 AM

nup, its not. This guy was boasting about his vy ss, not vz ss.
And from what I've read, the xr6t is much faster on the street; which coincidentally is where this fella is boasting about.

all4ford · 10-02-2006, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

I dont even think Holden make Super 6s now, not sure on that one.

Nah cos the ecotec is gone, but in all seriousness, how weak was that? A huge and powerful 170kw or something like that.

: I'm not bashing but (in my best APU voice) "what were they thinking?!"

Des · 10-02-2006, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

I do see in a few years time that it will run 12 seconds stock but I would seriously like a Supercharged version of the 4 Litre, maybe that way it would convince me into buying one.

Not saying I would never consider buying a XR6T but a XR6S would appeal to me much more.

Buy a NA XR6 and bolt your own supercharger then. Actually, for a good sleeper, buy a BAII XT and bolt one on....

BOSS 540 · 10-02-2006, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Casper

Take your time.. you got all week!

LOL Thanks for the holden holiday from gmhdriver. I doubt a one week non parole period is going to rehabilitate a serial 'team red bogan' pest somehow.

Ryan · 10-02-2006, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Des

Buy a NA XR6 and bolt your own supercharger then. Actually, for a good sleeper, buy a BAII XT and bolt one on....

Do the BAII XTs come as a wagon?

That would be a even bigger sleeper.Throw a baby seat in the back and the pram and stuff behind the seat and have a baby on board sticker lol that would be a real good sleeper.

TheSneakiness · 10-02-2006, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

Do the BAII XTs come as a wagon?

Yep, I'm pretty sure that they do.

As for the link, there's really a few guys who posted in there who are genuine enthusiasts. Not one eyed at all...

Dark Horse · 10-02-2006, 12:07 PM

The tide will really start to turn our way when Ford customer service starts to act like it should!

danv8 · 10-02-2006, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by all4ford

Nah cos the ecotec is gone, but in all seriousness, how weak was that? A huge and powerful 170kw or something like that.

: I'm not bashing but (in my best APU voice) "what were they thinking?!"

The S/C V6 was actually more powerful than they actually printed on paper.
They kept the figures to a conservative level so it won't effect the sales of the V8's.
The XU6 was rated at 180kw but it was more close to 190ish kw.

Casper · 10-02-2006, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danv8

The S/C V6 was actually more powerful than they actually printed on paper.
They kept the figures to a conservative level so it won't effect the sales of the V8's.
The XU6 was rated at 180kw but it was more close to 190ish kw.

And yet both got hammered every time by 'less powerful' Falcons that weighed more... go figure.

danv8 · 10-02-2006, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Casper

And yet both got hammered every time by 'less powerful' Falcons that weighed more... go figure.

True in a way although stick a different pully on the s/c and a free flowing zorst system can easily liven up the 3800 s/c I know my edited V8 Calais was flogged by a mates V6 supercharged Calais.

Bugger he is.

Casper · 10-02-2006, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danv8

True in a way although stick a different pully on the s/c and a free flowing zorst system can easily liven up the 3800 s/c I know my edited V8 Calais was flogged by a mates V6 supercharged Calais.

Bugger he is.

I dont doubt that as the pully would up the boost and the exhaust would allow it to make best use of it. This is, of course, the path down a modified route. In which case give the Falcon a similar exhaust and a more aggressive cam to match the pully change and you will probably find similar results.
Its not till you start getting very serious with the S/C V6 mods that you can start to see massive gains.. and for thatsame money you can almost go the same power route NA in a falcon up to about 170rwkw. After that the cost is getting up there for bot and a simple turbo conversion at the start on the stock Falcon engine would see it once again in a similar dollar (probably cost the Falcon $2K more in the end) range and probably more power at the high end of mods.

I personally think the S/C V6 was the best Holden 6 ever, it certainly had more oomph than even the SV6 (what a disappointment) and, sound wise, the S/C V6 was VERY nice to listen to.

danv8 · 10-02-2006, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Casper

I dont doubt that as the pully would up the boost and the exhaust would allow it to make best use of it. This is, of course, the path down a modified route. In which case give the Falcon a similar exhaust and a more aggressive cam to match the pully change and you will probably find similar results.
Its not till you start getting very serious with the S/C V6 mods that you can start to see massive gains.. and for thatsame money you can almost go the same power route NA in a falcon up to about 170rwkw. After that the cost is getting up there for bot and a simple turbo conversion at the start on the stock Falcon engine would see it once again in a similar dollar (probably cost the Falcon $2K more in the end) range and probably more power at the high end of mods.

I personally think the S/C V6 was the best Holden 6 ever, it certainly had more oomph than even the SV6 (what a disappointment) and, sound wise, the S/C V6 was VERY nice to listen to.

Yeah the s/c whine does make a nice finishing touch to it.
I think also that the Falcon was available in manual form as well and I have driven a few EF-EL's standard 6's and XR6's in manual form and they perform extreamly well. Ford has a great recipe now with the XR6T and FPV Phoon. Its easily the one of the best engines Australia has put out on the market for cost wise and great potential. And we are a lucky country to have hi performance cars at a good price and we enjoy them highly.

Casper · 10-02-2006, 12:50 PM

It think we are the only country in the world with affordable "performance 6's" (XR and SV). BMW and Merc have them but they are not in the same DNA of the XR6's and SV6's. To actually have full sized 6's now that can match and, in the 6T's case, beat a lot of V8's not that old is a hell of a great place to be as a consumer.

YELLAUTE · 10-02-2006, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Horse

The tide will really start to turn our way when Ford customer service starts to act like it should!

I second that!

ltd · 10-02-2006, 12:58 PM

Don't forget that BMW and merc require you to mortgage your house just to test drive one, as they are so expensive when compared to the fords and holdens. I have read in the New York Times an article on how Australian cars are the bomb and are much more inspirational than american cars. They also talk about our extraordinary thirst for power, like the boss 290 compared to the mustang's 230kw or some similar number. Love it.

ltd · 10-02-2006, 01:00 PM

oh and btw, thanks casper for the weeks reprieve.

Ryan · 10-02-2006, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Casper

And yet both got hammered every time by 'less powerful' Falcons that weighed more... go figure.

Yes but doesnt the "Less powerful Falcons" have more torque?

I'm not sure if this is the case with the Falcons that matched the S/C 6 Commodores but usually the Falcon always seems to take it in the torque department and we all know that torque is what wins races.

Des · 10-02-2006, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

Yes but doesnt the "Less powerful Falcons" have more torque?

I'm not sure if this is the case with the Falcons that matched the S/C 6 Commodores but usually the Falcon always seems to take it in the torque department and we all know that torque is what wins races.

LOL. And a supercharger is a great way to boost torque from almost zero revs....

Ryan · 10-02-2006, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Des

LOL. And a supercharger is a great way to boost torque from almost zero revs....

Ok

Just thought because the Falcons always seem to have more torque thats all.

clontarf_x · 10-02-2006, 02:20 PM

Probably in stock form, but I daresay stick a SC V6 vs XR6T and the SC would have the jump and the run for quite a bit

Casper · 10-02-2006, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clontarf_x

Probably in stock form, but I daresay stick a SC V6 vs XR6T and the SC would have the jump and the run for quite a bit

Dont think so. There seems to be a misconception that the supercharger is "instant" power and the turbo is laggy till high revs. This is simply not the case. The truth is it is far easier (in I6/V6 form) to make a turbo run from full boost lower in the revs then it is a S/C. One of the turbo's main benifits over a S/C is it is far more flexable in its "tuning".

jmc-007 · 10-02-2006, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vztrt

Sorry to go off topic but I ИИИИed my self laughing at this. Is this guy for real??

I drive an ecotec and there pretty gutless.

: mwhahaha we had one too and its as quick as a charade up a hill. !!!

merlin · 10-02-2006, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Casper

Dont think so. There seems to be a misconception that the supercharger is "instant" power and the turbo is laggy till high revs. This is simply not the case. The truth is it is far easier (in I6/V6 form) to make a turbo run from full boost lower in the revs then it is a S/C. One of the turbo's main benifits over a S/C is it is far more flexable in its "tuning".

True, mention the word turbo and some people think lag - how exactly can a large 4L six be laggy off boost? It's still got enough capacity to get by, not that the XR6T gets off boost much anyway in auto form.

Des · 10-02-2006, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clontarf_x

Probably in stock form, but I daresay stick a SC V6 vs XR6T and the SC would have the jump and the run for quite a bit

XR6T would probably pull near on 1 second just to 100 kliks. Does anyone have the actual times?

merlin · 10-02-2006, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Des

XR6T would probably pull near on 1 second just to 100 kliks. Does anyone have the actual times?

Off the top of my head XR6T does low 6's 0-100, the old ecotec S/C did low-mid 7's to 100 stock. In other words it would be pretty even between an XT and S/C V6 to 100

:

Focused · 10-02-2006, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falcon Freak

This thread makes for great reading.

Its good to be a Ford man.

FF

For someone who claims to love Ford so much why do you reveal so much insider info about them? Surely it's not in their best interetst to have their secrets all over the internet.

**Falcon Coupe** · 10-02-2006, 04:59 PM

I have seen a supercharged Monaro V6 on a dyno, it had edit, under drives,exhaust and filter, after much playing the best Hallam Performance could get out of it was 170rwkw, an XR6T has 180rwkw standard, but with similar mods it's around 100rwkw more, no comparison IMO, i tried to steer my mother in law into a XR6t when she was looking at the Monaro sc6, i couldn't get her to change to Ford, but at least i got her into an LS1 instead of the 6, the look on the dealers face was priceless when after he bragged about the sc6 i asked why the standard BA barra has more power...

:

phat_stak_tipa · 10-02-2006, 08:31 PM

about time we are seeing more fords for years us ford boys and girls have had to put up with umpteen thousands of commodores cruising around now they know what it feels like not to be the most popular car on the road......GO FORD WELL DONE

**Falcon Coupe** · 10-02-2006, 08:50 PM

They are a touchy lot over at LS1, i need to tread carefully, flame wars are only ever one post away.

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthre...673#post580673

phat_stak_tipa · 10-02-2006, 09:22 PM

yeah that VY2 bloke was a tosser hahahahaha good fishing to be had LS1 forums hahahahahahahahahaha