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Old 02-12-2008, 08:52 PM   #61
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People also forget that Minge knows all and that my little mate ford3v was given a 2nd life, why I am not sure though.

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the one that irritates me the most is the fact that on Learners they can do 100 or 110 (as is sign posted on highways) but once on Ps they are to do 90 in the 100 or 110.. I honestly don't quite get that.
In NSW it's 80 Ks for learners
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What I don't understand is that Learners have no restrictions, but Ps do?

Anyways, put it this way, by the time my generation gets off their Ps, we can all join in and point the finger and start conspiracies against the new bunch of P platers. Its pretty much tradition.
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What I don't understand is that Learners have no restrictions, but Ps do?

Anyways, put it this way, by the time my generation gets off their Ps, we can all join in and point the finger and start conspiracies against the new bunch of P platers. Its pretty much tradition.
No conspiracies, I used to drive with just one plate on the back :
I never got pulled over, never got hassled.
I also don't recall as many P plater incidents then as now either.

This is saying something I feel.
Has P plater driver quality gotten worse over the years? YES

Does that explain the hard line the police take with P platers? YES





PS: I don't condone driving with one P plate :evil3:
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Only as a percentage has the quality declined. and those percentages are highest in saay.. Western Sydney for example?
just like to point out - demographics play an important role in the "statistics" although there are bad drivers everywhere..
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I was on my P's only a few years ago, and never experienced the sort of persecution many P platers claim they are victims of.
This was exactly the point i was trying to make with my previous post, i have been on my P's for almost 2 years and have never had any troubles. Why? Because i do the right thing, and therefore give the cops no reason to cause me any trouble; even when i had to wear P plates on P1's.

After all, P stands for provisional, so if you want to look at it this way; its kinda like a half licence, a lot of people take the liberty of assuming otherwise, and thats where the trouble starts.
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i've been pulled over 3 times. twice for RBT stop and once for speeding which i was let off (most likely cuz i was feeding their maccas addictions at the time heh) in fact i rarely see cop cars, i kept 1 p-plate on the car for a very long time aswell - was warned but threw one on the front from the glove box - fell off again the next day though..

- thats in 2.5 years..
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I was pointing out that "sleekism" has started numerous threads about being "victimised" by the police,from my experience most people who think like this have chips on their shoulders, and are usually "victimised" for a reason.

I was on my P's only a few years ago, and never experienced the sort of persecution many P platers claim they are victims of.

I have been victimised since day 1.

Going from a XH ute with a loud zorst, more of a pig ute to a BA 05 xr8 sedan with a full d/f exhaust.

I don't complain because all the coppers say that my car is to nice for me to drive around. i just laugh.
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Its hard comment on what they are like now, cause i was off my p's about 5 years ago so i've got no idea what its like now. I recall having a bit of a hard time but to be honest i probably look back and focus more on the stuff they pulled me over for, but then gave me the old dont do it again! Alright?
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I have been off my P's for like 8 years now, but i have to say that I did get pulled over rediculous amounts of time and for very little reason, my first car i used to drive was a 1971 merc, me and my mates went to the city doing absolutely nothing wrong and we got pulled over 4 times in the 1 night. I remember a comment of 1 officer that they pulled us over cause they thought it was weird a P plater driving a merc.

Next i had a yellow XD, i would get pulled over all the time in, several times a day. I later found out that there was a yellow XD doing burnouts around town, and they caught him, funny enough i didn't have an issue afterwards.

When off my P's I had a RED EA, every morning i was driving into work i got pulled over, after having this happen for a week none stop i sput the dummy, had a go at the officer, told him that its harrasement and so on. He got all defensive said i have not pulled you over before, the reason i pulled you over is that there was a stolen car fitting this description, so i was just checking to make sure. Afterwards didn't have it happen again.

So just because someone who may just happen to be a P plater is getting pulled over a lot, doesn't necessarilly mean they are creating the problem.
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I read this whole thread and I also used to get harrased by the police everytime I left my house I would be pulled over within a couple of blocks. How ever.... Looking back, I can see that riding my absurdly loud (like hear it from 8kms away loud) 500cc two stroke enduro bike around town at 2am just for the fun of it, despite being legal may not have been the correct thing to do . I never did get pulled over during my night rides because I would cut into the nearest side street as soon as I saw any on comming car lights jsut incase it was the Police and I was really tired of beign pulled over. But in the day time WHIIIIIRIIIIP pulled over soon as I got out my driveway. I never got fined, just a license and rego check everytime but considering how hard it was to kick that thing over it got old pretty fast. In the end I did get busted pretty hardcore when they were waiting for me in the street next to my house and I came past at some ridiculous speed (cleaning the oil out of the pipe before I parked it officer :p) the excuse didn't work

Oh the thing I really noticed is why WHY would anyone steal a P plate I mean seriously where do you guys live that it's worth someones effort to steal a p plate. That's got to be time to move when that happens, must be some really messed up in the head kids around ?

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Good suggestions above. Mine would be simpler.

If P plates are required on the car, make sure you and/or your significant other ensure that they are actually on the car before driving off, every time.
definitely

another thing is to make sure you pass the "a" test

when the officer tests you with unreasonable demands he is trying to see if you have a bad attitude to police
if you do have an attitude you get targeted
if you pass you often get off and they leave you alone
its a simple lesson to learn early in life
if you don't learn it they are only just starting to play with you
get used to it unless you pass their a" test
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Oh the thing I really noticed is why WHY would anyone steal a P plate I mean seriously where do you guys live that it's worth someones effort to steal a p plate. That's got to be time to move when that happens, must be some really messed up in the head kids around ?
i would assume because they've lost their own p-plates but i've never done it nor wanted to do it..

I was at Castle hill rsl one night sittin in my car with the missus in the carpark waitin for friends to arrive. I looked in the mirror as a girl walked past and heard a scrape sound - the skank nicked my p-plate! and my girlfriend saw it jumped out and got them back off her haha
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I don't and would openly admit that. However if I was to be pulled over and booked for a tail light being out, I'd accept that I should have checked. It's the drivers responsibility to ensure the car is roadworthy. It's not the fault of the mate, the wife/girlfriend, the bulb that blew whilst driving, and especially not the police, but the driver of the car.

If the "cops" were supposedly stalking me, and I was a P plater, I'd be doing every check possible to ensure that I was roadworthy AND had my plates securely attached, every time.
I fully agree with that. If you know you have a tail light globe blown, yet, do nothing to fix it, then by all means fry them. I dislike people that can't do even the simple tasks to thier car like replacing a light globe that are for safety. It's something that if you can't do, learn to do it.

However, you can't be expected to know that your globe just died or P Plate from the back (that you can't see from in the car) just came off while you are driving. If the police are indeed targetting the area, then they'd know if the OP/GF was constantly driving with only one P plate, then in that case, yes, fine is warranted.

Example would be recently for me. I have tinted windows. I had the local traffic managment officer follow me into a car park, give me a RBT and told me to get a P plate that attaches to the outside so that it was clearly seen and gave me til the following night to do it, I did and he drove past the following night saw me the following night and actually said good job.

However, 3 weeks later he saw me coming down the street behind him and as usual i had my headlights on (bein night) but also had the XR driving lights on (classed are foggies, illegal in Vic now) and knew I had been told to turn them off the weekend before and pulled me over-fined me and now i'm wearing that harshly now. One was blown the night I got told to turn them off, going through a RBT station, and I thought that was the reason. Not relieasing or clicking they are actually classed as foggies and it was illegal.

One thing I don't understand though is how earlier the night I got fined, I went through a RBT/Roadworthy operation and the other local mangment officer said nothing about them? :S
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I absolutely hate the fact that the lower XR lights are illegal.. if I want to have better vision of the road shouldnt i be entitled to it? plenty of worse things going on the roads than my bloody 2 lower lights
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I have been victimised since day 1.

Going from a XH ute with a loud zorst, more of a pig ute to a BA 05 xr8 sedan with a full d/f exhaust.

I don't complain because all the coppers say that my car is to nice for me to drive around. i just laugh.
I can only go from my own personal experiences and that of my friends,family etc, but most people I have come across that are "picked" on by cops are smart a$$e$ and usually have it coming,they have a preconceived opinion of cops and act accordingly.

They dont have my pity or sympathy and never will,as someone else said, go to amnesty international,they might be able to supply you with a lawyer.
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I don't and would openly admit that. However if I was to be pulled over and booked for a tail light being out, I'd accept that I should have checked.
I conciously check my brake lights every time I park or leave my garage. I hate being behind a car that has no working brake lights as it takes an extra second to realise they're on the anchors and I certainly don't want someone running up my bum because mine aren't working.
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.............also had the XR driving lights on (classed are foggies, illegal in Vic now) and knew I had been told to turn them off the weekend before and pulled me over-fined me and now i'm wearing that harshly now. .......... :S

Those soughts of things wouldn't be generally known by the public.

It seems unreasonable to me that the man in the street not only has to know his profession to put bread on the table, but also a policeman's job as well, while the policeman only has to know his own.... makes me wonder what sought of IQ is required to become a flatfoot. :evil3:
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That's what warnings are for, and he clearly says that he had been told to turn them off the weekend before.
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Those soughts of things wouldn't be generally known by the public.

It seems unreasonable to me that the man in the street not only has to know his profession to put bread on the table, but also a policeman's job as well, while the policeman only has to know his own.... makes me wonder what sought of IQ is required to become a flatfoot. :evil3:
So what you are saying is that you do not need to know the rules that apply to your vehicle : ....it is your responsebility as a licence holder to know the road rules, if that is too much trouble you can always hand your licence back and catch the bus.

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I can only go from my own personal experiences and that of my friends,family etc, but most people I have come across that are "picked" on by cops are smart a$$e$ and usually have it coming,they have a preconceived opinion of cops and act accordingly.

They dont have my pity or sympathy and never will,as someone else said, go to amnesty international,they might be able to supply you with a lawyer.

Right, I've worked hard for my bits of cars and i don't do silly and immature acts. I'm a yes sir no sir to the cops but i have on occasions got a pit picky if they pick me up for "failing to indicate left" when going straight through a round about when i knew at that stage it was LEGAL to do so. Take it he did'nt like it so thought he could get me for illegal mods and bold tyes, his unlucky.
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Those soughts of things wouldn't be generally known by the public.

It seems unreasonable to me that the man in the street not only has to know his profession to put bread on the table, but also a policeman's job as well, while the policeman only has to know his own.... makes me wonder what sought of IQ is required to become a flatfoot. :evil3:
So what you are saying is you shouldn't have to know the laws and regulations that apply to driving on the road?

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Right, I've worked hard for my bits of cars and i don't do silly and immature acts. I'm a yes sir no sir to the cops but i have on occasions got a pit picky if they pick me up for "failing to indicate left" when going straight through a round about when i knew at that stage it was LEGAL to do so. Take it he did'nt like it so thought he could get me for illegal mods and bold tyes, his unlucky.

So did you have illegal mods? and were your tyres bald?
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Is it your driving or something else do you keep your neighbours awake with gay doof doof music have you ****ed someone off who is connected with the police in some way ask yourself why the police would go to this extent and then work out what you have done . The police may be there for a reason are you an innocent victim or have you painted a target on your back write down all the things you have done to draw the crabs and then have a good think about it
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Wow what a read : IMO id be contacting the local MP or a senior police officer at your local station to find out : is going on as FPVGT said.

I NEVER lost a p plate while i was on my P's but we were allowed to have them inside the window back then so it was a little easier. I pity the P platers these days, no hang on i dont we all had to go through it so harden up
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Whats the reason why a P plate cant be displayed inside the car (front-rear screen), i thought as long as it's displayed and can be seen it was legal, how times have changed
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The first day I got on P's, I never put the plates on the car. Local sargeant knew about it, he said his daughter wouldn't wear her plates either...
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