Neg Driving Fine - NSW - Page 3

Unco · 03-08-2007, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Rodp

...However, is this indicitive of the handling in a FWD? Yes, losing the back end like that under the speed limit would have been a breeze correcting it in a RWD and I've been considering a smaller car but I think I'll pass if you can take an innocuous bend under the limit when it's a tiny bit slick and end up on your roof! Only driven a FWD for more than 30 mins at a time a couple of times and had noticed severe understeer in the wet going around a roundabout...

not necessarily. i have owned RWD and FWD cars and i've never ended up on my roof. i think you'll find it comes down to a number of things but mainly - in order of relevance - : experience on the road, experience with the car, the specific car (model). sorry to hear about your car photn. good to see you're ok and good luck with your license.

Danny · 03-08-2007, 09:38 AM

The only time that I began to feel a light rear end on a Fiesta was on a similar corner in the Kew Boulevard.... I corrected it and drove on.

Thing is, I WAS going too fast and not driving sensibly. I can't see how this could happen driving normally... Sorry Seany... But The evidence is too damning. Just looking at that sweeping corner made me realise that it would be too easy to fang the off a car around It. We're all human, hell I'd do the same thing

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At least your OK, Cop the fine, move on dude! My mum got a Neg Driving fine for running into another car up the , so yeah, its a part of life ;)

3vXT · 03-08-2007, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by sexr6tasy

Indeed but from the other posts i read its standard issue to issue every crash with a negligent driver fine even if you were doing nothing illegal or wrong or am i wrong?

I think you'll find that most car crashes are someones fault in one way or another.
Even if they weren't obviously breaking the law (like photn) by speeding or being drunk etc... there are usually causes, even very minor things that could have prevented it if the driver was showing a little more care for the conditions etc...

I think negligent driving is at the bottom end of the scale and maybe the police use it to fine the at 'fault driver' when there is no obvious causes so in that way i think your right, but i dont believe its a bad thing for them to do that.

I've seen a few road accidents and honestly cant think of one that is not someones fault on some level.

CMH86 · 03-08-2007, 10:03 AM

I have a AUI XR8 with LSD and I lost it on a slightly curved road doing 30km/h, there was oil on the road and it fishy'd on me for 50 metres and I went up a square gutter :S So I can sympathise with the whole slippery road situation, but I knew it might be slippery and thats why I was going so slow cause the speed limit was 70.

If I had of been doing 60 I would of caused serious carnage to my car...sometimes it takes a lesson to be learnt before you relise that even though you were going less then the speed limit, doesnt mean that that is the safest speed for you to be doing.

photn · 03-08-2007, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by CMH86

I have a AUI XR8 with LSD and I lost it on a slightly curved road doing 30km/h, there was oil on the road and it fishy'd on me for 50 metres and I went up a square gutter :S So I can sympathise with the whole slippery road situation, but I knew it might be slippery and thats why I was going so slow cause the speed limit was 70.

If I had of been doing 60 I would of caused serious carnage to my car...sometimes it takes a lesson to be learnt before you relise that even though you were going less then the speed limit, doesnt mean that that is the safest speed for you to be doing.

Thanks mate. i realise that now.

thanks heaps.

xurbanx · 03-08-2007, 10:19 AM

It still sends shivers down my spine whenever I see that picture. That time the lady rammed the back of my car on the freeway, I called the cops and they issued her with a neg driving fine. After a few months, they notified me and I told them if it was possible they could drop the charges and they did.

Guess it comes down to who was at fault (or involved) and in your case it would've been you Sean.

Just something offtopic - How would you correct a FWD car if that happened? Would it be the same for RWD and AWD?

Danny · 03-08-2007, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by CMH86

sometimes it takes a lesson to be learnt before you relise that even though you were going less then the speed limit, doesnt mean that that is the safest speed for you to be doing.

Nail on head.. Good work

photn · 03-08-2007, 10:22 AM

drop it a gear and put your foot down. or just put your foot down.. basically just accelerate to put the weight back on the rear! so ive been told.

gozza · 03-08-2007, 10:28 AM

Isn't it a question on your L's - regarding involvement of police officers -

$1000 or more damage to a vehicle or if someones injured they should be called?

Ive had 2 Rear enders....Luckily both times the swap of details and insurance particulars was quick and we were off without a hitch - All vehicles fixed and nobody was fined for have an "ACCIDENT" they are called that for a reason -

Annoys the hell out of me when something so simple like a minor bingle needs to be drawn out when the parties involved can sort it out in a civil manner between themselves

photn · 03-08-2007, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by gozza

Isn't it a question on your L's - regarding involvement of police officers -

$1000 or more damage to a vehicle or if someones injured they should be called?

Ive had 2 Rear enders....Luckily both times the swap of details and insurance particulars was quick and we were off without a hitch - All vehicles fixed and nobody was fined for have an "ACCIDENT" they are called that for a reason -

Annoys the hell out of me when something so simple like a minor bingle needs to be drawn out when the parties involved can sort it out in a civil manner between themselves

im pretty sure that there is no question like that in the RTA L's... mind you its been a couple of years since i have done it. could of changed...

gozza · 03-08-2007, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by photn

drop it a gear and put your foot down. or just put your foot down.. basically just accelerate to put the weight back on the rear! so ive been told.

that hero talk.....it would make the car step out further..if you try to power out your likely to end up worse then if you just hit the anchors

gozza · 03-08-2007, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by photn

im pretty sure that there is no question like that in the RTA L's... mind you its been a couple of years since i have done it. could of changed...

Yeh i did my L's 5-6 years ago now - Could be different....Also a different state...Im sure it was something along those lines tho...

Keepleft · 03-08-2007, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by xurbanx

It still sends shivers down my spine whenever I see that picture. That time the lady rammed the back of my car on the freeway.

How did that happen, were you stationary?

What speed were you at?
Which lane were you in?
How many lanes on this section?

Anyhow, the OP (Photn) was simply too fast for the prevailing conditions, that has bugger all to do with speed-limits, now you compound that with his attempted remedial actions and presto.

Too much 'speed-limit conditioning' in AUS.

REM, thousands go past the same site monthly without drama.

I'd be curious IF Photn switched off the ignition in his crashed car, or set the hazards to ON, as sometimes they will function to serve notice to approaching traffic of the on-road danger posed by his vehicle, even when upside down:-)

He will not have had a triangle.

xurbanx · 03-08-2007, 11:07 AM

Keepleft: 100 in the middle of night with three sections.

Keepleft · 03-08-2007, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by xurbanx

Keepleft: 100 in the middle of night with three sections.

Right, which lane were you in when she collected you?

Left
Middle
Right

Much other traffic?

Photn might like to listen to this MP3 of WA's 'emergencies and breakdown' Pdf that comprises my Sig, it covers tyre blowouts, gravel roads etc:-)

http://www.dpi.wa.gov.au/mediaFiles/...safe_part9.mp3

Feathers · 03-08-2007, 11:26 AM

You also have to have had your full licence for at least 10 years with no prior infringements or offences before they will consider letting you off with a warning.

photn · 03-08-2007, 11:26 AM

Well i did turn the ignition off and turn my lights off.. but none of the lights where working so there would of been no point in turning the hazards on.. there where people slowing down traffic.

Keepleft · 03-08-2007, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by photn

Well i did turn the ignition off and turn my lights off.. but none of the lights where working so there would of been no point in turning the hazards on.. there where people slowing down traffic.

Thanks Photn,
Ignition off, good! - A key reason we teach this is to prevent risk of fire start, (burst fuel line and/or ongoing pump operation etc), this sometimes traps babies and women.

Lights off at night/day after crash, good, helps prevent short curcuit/fire.

People slowing down approaching traffic, appropriate. One of the things EU does, and now adopted by the UN for its new UN Convention on Road Traffic which is under development, is to mandate that every passenger car, van, 4WD carry a 'safety vest to EN471 standard'. These are then to be worn by the roadside when attending a breakdown, or crash scene.

They have wide, night reflecting stripes and green or orange fluroescent body - to aid in pedestrian safety.

Better than having folks wearing T-shits bearing XXXX on them waving madly at approaching traffic 'look at me, look at meeee!!! Vests stand out more. They (EN471's) cost about $5.50 at Hot Dollar Tuggerah, as I state they are in EVERY SINGLE Euro car etc. TASMANIAN driver handbook will be the first to show them in pic - to plant in the head of readers what 'quality' they should seek, if they so desire.

Warning triangle - per Sig. Each product *will* be a mandatory item for new market vehicles one day. We have legal responsibility to take safe actions to help prevent secondary collisions.

Enjoy the MP3.

RavenLS1 · 03-08-2007, 11:53 AM

your car ended up on its roof and your wondering why you have been fined. lol

SB076 · 03-08-2007, 12:31 PM

After seeing the other thread I am glad you are ok thats the main thing (car can be replaced) In regards to the fine and loss of demerit points, it may be a pain, but I wouldnt worry about fighting it you will get your points back in three years, plus depending on how it goes it may just drag the whole saga on - IMO you are best to try and put it behind you. It sounds like you now know what to do in a similar situation but it might be a good idea to practise it on a skid pan or something in a controlled enviroment

Rodp · 03-08-2007, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by photn

XR5T's are FWD. but have what they call ESP or Dynamic Stability Control, basically senses if any wheels are spinning and corrects it. hence why the next car i have will have Dynamic Stability Control. much more safer.

Ah yes, I recall now. I seem to also recall that Top Gear suggested that the UK version had some savage torque steer? I must be thinking of the Focus that we're hoping to see here in a few years that has 4WD.

SB076 · 03-08-2007, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by photn

drop it a gear and put your foot down. or just put your foot down.. basically just accelerate to put the weight back on the rear! so ive been told.

Dont think thats a good idea (although I have very little FWD experience) I would suggest moderate whatever induced the problem, ie if you are losing control due to turning too tight back off a bit so that car regains control, if you are losing control from accelerating or braking ease up on whatever is causing the problem but dont introduce anything else and always look where you want to be (ie not the side of the road or poles etc)

photn · 03-08-2007, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SB076

After seeing the other thread I am glad you are ok thats the main thing (car can be replaced) In regards to the fine and loss of demerit points, it may be a pain, but I wouldnt worry about fighting it you will get your points back in three years, plus depending on how it goes it may just drag the whole saga on - IMO you are best to try and put it behind you. It sounds like you now know what to do in a similar situation but it might be a good idea to practise it on a skid pan or something in a controlled enviroment

thanks mate. i have booked in to do a drivers edd course when iget my next car.

Rodp: you are thinking of the Focus RS, it was rumoured to have AWD bu does not. it hasnt even been released yet. In regaurds to torque steer, jeremy was refering to its rival the astra VXR

T_Terror · 03-08-2007, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by photn

okay.. i work for RTA of NSW. and as much as id love to do that, thats illegal and wrong. personally goes against all my morals and ethics.

plus id get caught as the sytem is monitored 24/7 and you need manager approval to get a code to enter to do a specific task.

Thats too bad.

You had a nice bribe coming your way hehe