2022 Ranger and Everest ideas from CarExpert

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Problem is these renders have used the image of the leaked clay, which might not even be the one they have used (cause i think they do a few proposals and choose 1 to move forward on), and stuck bits from other ford vehicles on to finish it off. It has the current US Ranger tailgate and taillights for example, while the Everest has the rear end from one of the US suvs. Maybe Expedition or Lincoln Navigator?

I hope they do look like that though. They are tough looking for sure.

Granted that these CGIs might be slightly off the mark but I'm sure that they point in the right direction.

Clearly, the role of an article like this is to increase website visits from the curious but perhaps it's also
a clever way to gauge feedback on future products without revealing too much actual substance,
it may be more about how we respond to details of engines and squarer styling cues.

I'm sure that Ford's project managers must smile when they see these types of articles,
it must be pleasing to see so many excited by the vehicles they're developing.

[CyberWasp]

If that was the case there would be a Ranger V8 Raptor.
News of that generated the most interest I have seen in a while and even had the Americans jealous on their forums.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

yeah not a fan of the current rear, Prados dont look right without the spare on the door either.

Trailblazer is the worst though - reminds me of that car off Waynes World

Designers seem to be struggling with 4x4 rear ends these days. A lot of them are pretty horrible.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

If that was the case there would be a Ranger V8 Raptor.
News of that generated the most interest I have seen in a while and even had the Americans jealous on their forums.

Unfortunately, engineers and designers even their managers have no control over approving money for projects.

[Mowdit]

None of it matters if they can't fix that "ding ding ding ding" alert for bloody EVERYTHING !

What's the point of it for the headlights being on when they turn off automatically, or yes the drivers bloody door is open because as the driver I opened it !

I had the misfortune to drive a new transit recently, won't be buying another Ford if it constantly "dings"

[naddis01]

You can turn off all the dings with Forscan.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by naddis01

You can turn off all the dings with Forscan.

My mind wandered into all the possible one-liners from your post

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Unfortunately, engineers and designers even their managers have no control over approving money for projects.

Maybe HR should be forced to hire Designers and Engineers with some accounting knowlege than Accounts with no engineering and design knowledge....

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Maybe HR should be forced to hire Designers and Engineers with some accounting knowlege than Accounts with no engineering and design knowledge....

Accountants remember to carry the one, engineers carry everyone...

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Accountants remember to carry the one, engineering carries everyone...

I'm going to pass that on to some emails ending in [email protected]

[Sprintey]

That Everest looks tough, I like

Going thru article, looked at their idea of the range/price, again very good.
If you look at what LandCruiser is rumoured to do (V6 diesel, maybe V6 petrol, hybrid V6 petrol) this Everest will land in exactly the same area for the upper specs... Nice, Ford. Wonder where that leaves the Prado and its 2.8D
Ford could conquest some sales...

[Mowdit]

Originally Posted by naddis01

You can turn off all the dings with Forscan.

If I can option so many extra's into a purchase why can't I just ask Ford to remove these items ?
Recently at a service I was told they would do "map/nav updates", it was an update from sync 2 to sync 3, using nav or phone messages no longer works when the vehicle is moving....
Sure it might be a good idea for idiots, but I have been using it for years already !
If people can smoke, do their makeup, eat cereal and read a book when driving surely I (or my passenger) can hit a button on the info screen
Much prefer driving my A model lately

[Bossxr8]

https://www.caradvice.com.au/856623/...-ford-engines/

New Volkswagen Amarok due 2022, will have unique look but Ford engines

Joshua Dowling
NATIONAL MOTORING EDITOR
25
The first Volkswagen Amarok to be based on the Ford Ranger platform is due in showrooms in two years.


The new Volkswagen Amarok – and the first be based on the Ford Ranger – will be in showrooms in 2022, the German car maker has confirmed overnight as both brands provided updates on their joint venture on commercial vehicles.

And while the Ford Ranger sold in Australia is likely to continue to be sourced from Thailand, the Volkswagen Amarok will be sourced from a Ford factory in South Africa.

The current generation Volkswagen Amarok – a standalone model made wholly and solely by VW – is made in Argentina.

A media statement issued by Volkswagen overnight said: “As lead partner, Ford will in future produce the new version of the Amarok for Volkswagen Commercial Vehicles based on the Ranger. The Amarok successor will then be made as of 2022 at Ford’s Silverton plant in South Africa.”

Ford did not disclose timing for the next generation Ranger, however CarAdvice understands it will precede the next generation VW Amarok and is due some time late in 2021 or in the first half of 2022.



The alliance between the two brands is likely to be a formidable combination. The Ford Ranger has ute market leadership in Europe and is strong in most other countries (including in Australia where it is the second biggest-selling car outright behind the Toyota HiLux), whereas the current VW Amarok has not made the same impact.

Thomas Sedran, Chairman of the Board of Management of Volkswagen Commercial Vehicles, said in the media statement: “What is important for both partners is the utilisation of the same platform. At the same time we will both be able to fully deploy our strengths.”

The VW executive also confirmed the 2022 Volkswagen Amarok will have a unique appearance inside and out, even though its underpinnings will be shared with Ford.

“Through custom designs and interfaces we will clearly differentiate the two models. For us as Volkswagen Commercial Vehicles, our sights with the Amarok successor are on our main markets, above all in the EMEA economic area (Europe, the Middle East and Africa).”


In the most telling sign that the current generation Volkswagen Amarok has not met the car maker’s global sales targets – even though it is relatively successful in Australia, which is one of its biggest markets – the executive in charge of commercial vehicles said:

“Ultimately it is our customers who will benefit, as without the cooperation we would not have developed a new Amarok.”

Volkswagen did not disclose what engines will be used to power the new Amarok, however CarAdvice understands it will adopt at least two key Ford engines: a 2.0-litre twin turbo diesel four-cylinder and a 3.0-litre turbo diesel V6, both matched to 10-speed automatic transmissions.

What is unclear at this stage is whether the 2022 Volkswagen Amarok will continue with rear disc brakes as it does currently (versus rear drums currently on most variants of the Ford Ranger) and if its size will change.


The VW Amarok currently has one of the widest ute tubs with the most clearance between each wheel arch. Will the new Amarok ute tub shrink slightly if based on the Ranger platform, or will the Ford frame be able to accomodate a wider tub?

The current VW Amarok TDV6 has permanent all-wheel-drive. It is unclear if this will still be available on the new model, given that the current Ford Ranger has a selectable four-wheel-drive system that can only be used off-road.


While the external appearance is expected to be unique between the two vehicles, it remains to be seen how much of the interior will be unique to Volkswagen, which customarily prides itself on its upmarket appearance.

[naddis01]

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

https://www.caradvice.com.au/856623/...-ford-engines/

New Volkswagen Amarok due 2022, will have unique look but Ford engines

Joshua Dowling
NATIONAL MOTORING EDITOR
25
The first Volkswagen Amarok to be based on the Ford Ranger platform is due in showrooms in two years.


The new Volkswagen Amarok – and the first be based on the Ford Ranger – will be in showrooms in 2022, the German car maker has confirmed overnight as both brands provided updates on their joint venture on commercial vehicles.

And while the Ford Ranger sold in Australia is likely to continue to be sourced from Thailand, the Volkswagen Amarok will be sourced from a Ford factory in South Africa.

The current generation Volkswagen Amarok – a standalone model made wholly and solely by VW – is made in Argentina.

A media statement issued by Volkswagen overnight said: “As lead partner, Ford will in future produce the new version of the Amarok for Volkswagen Commercial Vehicles based on the Ranger. The Amarok successor will then be made as of 2022 at Ford’s Silverton plant in South Africa.”

Ford did not disclose timing for the next generation Ranger, however CarAdvice understands it will precede the next generation VW Amarok and is due some time late in 2021 or in the first half of 2022.



The alliance between the two brands is likely to be a formidable combination. The Ford Ranger has ute market leadership in Europe and is strong in most other countries (including in Australia where it is the second biggest-selling car outright behind the Toyota HiLux), whereas the current VW Amarok has not made the same impact.

Thomas Sedran, Chairman of the Board of Management of Volkswagen Commercial Vehicles, said in the media statement: “What is important for both partners is the utilisation of the same platform. At the same time we will both be able to fully deploy our strengths.”

The VW executive also confirmed the 2022 Volkswagen Amarok will have a unique appearance inside and out, even though its underpinnings will be shared with Ford.

“Through custom designs and interfaces we will clearly differentiate the two models. For us as Volkswagen Commercial Vehicles, our sights with the Amarok successor are on our main markets, above all in the EMEA economic area (Europe, the Middle East and Africa).”


In the most telling sign that the current generation Volkswagen Amarok has not met the car maker’s global sales targets – even though it is relatively successful in Australia, which is one of its biggest markets – the executive in charge of commercial vehicles said:

“Ultimately it is our customers who will benefit, as without the cooperation we would not have developed a new Amarok.”

Volkswagen did not disclose what engines will be used to power the new Amarok, however CarAdvice understands it will adopt at least two key Ford engines: a 2.0-litre twin turbo diesel four-cylinder and a 3.0-litre turbo diesel V6, both matched to 10-speed automatic transmissions.

What is unclear at this stage is whether the 2022 Volkswagen Amarok will continue with rear disc brakes as it does currently (versus rear drums currently on most variants of the Ford Ranger) and if its size will change.


The VW Amarok currently has one of the widest ute tubs with the most clearance between each wheel arch. Will the new Amarok ute tub shrink slightly if based on the Ranger platform, or will the Ford frame be able to accomodate a wider tub?

The current VW Amarok TDV6 has permanent all-wheel-drive. It is unclear if this will still be available on the new model, given that the current Ford Ranger has a selectable four-wheel-drive system that can only be used off-road.


While the external appearance is expected to be unique between the two vehicles, it remains to be seen how much of the interior will be unique to Volkswagen, which customarily prides itself on its upmarket appearance.

Thank Christ - I thought it was going to be the other way around, Ford using VW engines

[Dr Smith]

It seems VW is really getting out early and stressing the next Amarok won't be the same as the X-class/Nissan Navara result.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

It seems VW is really getting out early and stressing the next Amarok won't be the same as the X-class/Nissan Navara result.

I can't see it being any different than the Ranger/BT50 deal. Some sheetmetal changes front and back, with a new interior.

The X class actually went further than all the other joint venture utes did. It was the fact that Mercedes was a luxury brand using something as common as a Nissan, and then charging a fortune above what it was based on that really got people hating on it. People didn't want to pay tens of thousands of dollars more for what was essentially a Navara underneath, despite what they changed.

Ford and VW are a much closer match in terms of brand than Mercedes/Nissan. Price shouldn't be too much different either.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I can't see it being any different than the Ranger/BT50 deal. Some sheetmetal changes front and back, with a new interior.

The X class actually went further than all the other joint venture utes did. It was the fact that Mercedes was a luxury brand using something as common as a Nissan, and then charging a fortune above what it was based on that really got people hating on it. People didn't want to pay tens of thousands of dollars more for what was essentially a Navara underneath, despite what they changed.

Ford and VW are a much closer match in terms of brand than Mercedes/Nissan. Price shouldn't be too much different either.

True.
Mind you, the X-Class was arguably the worst of both worlds with those expensive German mechanicals in basically, a reskinned low rent Navarra. Differentiation costs money and the the more you want, the greater the cost. I think the Germans were impressed with Ford's commercial offerings and will most likely be happy with few changes on the Transits but will spring for a reskinned Ranger similar to the BT50 deal.....

If indeed Ford is working on a hybrid Ranger, I can see VW wanting that as well....

[smoo]

Originally Posted by jpd80

True.
Mind you, the X-Class was arguably the worst of both worlds with those expensive German mechanicals in basically, a reskinned low rent Navarra. Differentiation costs money and the the more you want, the greater the cost. I think the Germans were impressed with Ford's commercial offerings and will most likely be happy with few changes on the Transits but will spring for a reskinned Ranger similar to the BT50 deal.....

If indeed Ford is working on a hybrid Ranger, I can see VW wanting that as well....

Happy to be corrected, but the only Mercedes mechanicals was the V6 diesel.
The four cylinder was from the Navara Renault/Nissan as well as the 7 speed auto.

I scratch my head with Mercedes as they could have actually made a decent go at it to differentiate it from the Navara and the rest of the Thai specials and archaic VW with the offerings from the rest of their range.

9 speed auto mated to low range.
2.0 turbo diesel with 150kw and 500nm
2.0 turbo petrol ranging from 190-265kw and 350-450nm
2.0 turbo petrol hybrid that averages 2.4l/100km in the C Class.
3.0 V6 petrol 270kw 500nm.
3.0 straight 6 diesel 240kw 700nm

Instead they gave us much of the same at a price premium in an already over priced mediocre segment where progress has stagnated since 2011 T6 Ranger release.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

True.
Mind you, the X-Class was arguably the worst of both worlds with those expensive German mechanicals in basically, a reskinned low rent Navarra. Differentiation costs money and the the more you want, the greater the cost. I think the Germans were impressed with Ford's commercial offerings and will most likely be happy with few changes on the Transits but will spring for a reskinned Ranger similar to the BT50 deal.....

If indeed Ford is working on a hybrid Ranger, I can see VW wanting that as well....

I don't know if VW even go for hybrids. I can't recall them doing any. At least not here.

And it would be interesting to know what Ford are offering to VW to use. I reckon certain things would be off the table, like Raptor.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by smoo

Happy to be corrected, but the only Mercedes mechanicals was the V6 diesel.
The four cylinder was from the Navara Renault/Nissan as well as the 7 speed auto.

I scratch my head with Mercedes as they could have actually made a decent go at it to differentiate it from the Navara and the rest of the Thai specials and archaic VW with the offerings from the rest of their range.

9 speed auto mated to low range.
2.0 turbo diesel with 150kw and 500nm
2.0 turbo petrol ranging from 190-265kw and 350-450nm
2.0 turbo petrol hybrid that averages 2.4l/100km in the C Class.
3.0 V6 petrol 270kw 500nm.
3.0 straight 6 diesel 240kw 700nm

Instead they gave us much of the same at a price premium in an already over priced mediocre segment where progress has stagnated since 2011 T6 Ranger release.

Merc actually did more work under the skin than they received credit for their X-class over Navara but it's things which definitely improved their version, just not in areas where the buyer will immediately notice...plus it doesn't have enough drink cup holders...

https://www.caradvice.com.au/638414/...u%27d%20expect.

[naddis01]

I hope this is on the money. I'll be putting the RAM plans on hold if this shows up.

https://fordauthority.com/2021/05/ne...-v6-exclusive/

Next-Gen Ford Ranger Raptor To Feature 3.0L EcoBoost V6: Exclusive
by Cameron Taylor
May 8, 2021, 1:00 am
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Since it was released in 2019, the Ford Ranger Raptor has offered supremely capable off-road capability. The current model is powered by Ford’s 2.0L EcoBlue four-cylinder bi-turbo diesel engine making 210 horsepower and 369 pound-feet of torque, in the typical bottom-heavy diesel fashion. The Blue Oval is looking to improve on that formula: the next-gen, 2023 Ranger Raptor will be powered by the twin-turbo 3.0L EcoBoost V6 gasoline engine mated to the automaker’s 10-speed automatic transmission, Ford Authority has learned from sources familiar with the matter.



That same twin-turbo 3.0L EcoBoost V6 is currently used in The Blue Oval’s CD6 platform crossovers, including variants of the Ford Explorer (King Ranch, Platinum, ST) and the base Lincoln Aviator. The most powerful application of the engine is the Explorer ST, where the motor is rated at 400 horsepower and 415 pound-feet of torque.



The current Ford Ranger family rides on the T6 platform. The next-gen model will ride on an evolved version of the same architecture. The curren-gen Ranger Raptor requires roughly 10 seconds to accelerate from 0 to 60 miles per hour, while the Explorer ST accomplishes the same feat in around 5.2 seconds. With the deeper-breathing EcoBoost motor, it’s a good bet that acceleration figures for the 2023 Ford Ranger Raptor will fall somewhere between the two.



Other than the much more potent powertrain, expect the next-gen Ford Ranger Raptor – currently in development with heavy input from Ford Australia – to feature a similar array of Baja-bred suspension and chassis upgrades, including a FOX shock setup and a coil spring rear suspension.


Ford 3.0L EcoBoost V6 engine
Unlike the current model, the new Raptor variant is expected to be a global offering, with availability being expanded to North America. In fact, left-hand drive prototypes have been spotted testing Dearborn. The next-gen model should go on sale in late 2022 as a 2023 model year vehicle.

We’ll have more on the next-gen Ford Ranger Raptor soon, so be sure and subscribe to Ford Authority for the latest Ford Ranger Raptor news, Ford Ranger news and continuous Ford news coverage.

[au2000]

Im assuming this is the "real life" look we can expect for ranger ?
https://www.caradvice.com.au/957988/...for-australia/

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by smoo

Instead they gave us much of the same at a price premium in an already over priced mediocre segment where progress has stagnated since 2011 T6 Ranger release.

When you think about it the PX Ranger was a generational leap for the Thailand Special but the category as a whole hasn't made any movements in the past decade.

I wonder what improvements the new Ranger is going to bring to the class, if it would be as significant as what the PX brought to the table.

[smoo]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

When you think about it the PX Ranger was a generational leap for the Thailand Special but the category as a whole hasn't made any movements in the past decade.

I wonder what improvements the new Ranger is going to bring to the class, if it would be as significant as what the PX brought to the table.

What significant improvements did the Ranger bring to the table, over say the D40 Navara and the Hilux that came out in 2004.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by smoo

What significant improvements did the Ranger bring to the table, over say the D40 Navara and the Hilux that came out in 2004.

I would say it's ride and handling in this class took a big step up especially on gravel roads over all competitors.

The other thing, if you are constantly improving/tweaking and the Ranger has taken advantage of being a globally sold vehicle and hence able to have constant updates/upgrades then the big leap between models is diluted.

Plus constant media comparisons still place Ranger at or near top in every test so it's damn good now after such a long run of constant updating.

Unless I'm mistaken, this is the first time Ford Aust has been involved in a development that started from scratch with the US market to be considered and so it's going to be interesting what eventuates. I'm assuming Everest will never sell in the US so that is another factor.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by smoo

What significant improvements did the Ranger bring to the table, over say the D40 Navara and the Hilux that came out in 2004.

Ride quality and interior - even compared to PJ/PK Ranger

[jpd80]

Comfort.
Do a three or four hour drive in a Navarra, I find it uncomfortable but a Ranger is a lot better seating for me.

[XR Martin]

Common for D40s to snap chassis too. Terrible front end ground clearance also.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

When you think about it the PX Ranger was a generational leap for the Thailand Special but the category as a whole hasn't made any movements in the past decade.

I wonder what improvements the new Ranger is going to bring to the class, if it would be as significant as what the PX brought to the table.

In some ways, yes.