Crap cars on club rego - a thread

[The Yeti]

Originally Posted by Rallye Sport

Club regos seem like a lot of hard work to me, joining a club, becoming a contributing member, dealing with the anoraks and wasting days at shows or cruises.
Or if I'm hard up I could spend a day doing some o/t at work, pay a full rego and drive my cars whenever I like.
Sometimes its harder work avoiding doing (or paying) for something

If all your in it for is to save a few bucks, your not the person for a club and that’s not who it’s aimed at

If you want to do car **** with mates it’s perfect

I’ve never ran out of logbook days

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Rallye Sport

Club regos seem like a lot of hard work to me, joining a club, becoming a contributing member, dealing with the anoraks and wasting days at shows or cruises.
Or if I'm hard up I could spend a day doing some o/t at work, pay a full rego and drive my cars whenever I like.
Sometimes its harder work avoiding doing (or paying) for something

I had a 1980s F100 that was eligible for club rego that I felt the same way about, I didn't want the hassle of log books, car club memberships or further police scrutiny with the H plates.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by The Yeti

If all your in it for is to save a few bucks, your not the person for a club and that’s not who it’s aimed at

If you want to do car **** with mates it’s perfect

I’ve never ran out of logbook days

Thats what this whole thread is about - people who are in it to save a few bucks and these BS clubs with no meetings and no events, using their 'historic' TF Holden Rodeo for tip runs or truck for work purposes etc.

[XByoot]

Originally Posted by The Yeti

nope, I was introduced to one of those clubs where you have to attend 75% of meetings have your wife and you outfitted with the jacket and polo shirt and all the other stuff the type where the guys stand around and talk about how they set the timing 1 degree more advanced and it’s now made it a whole new car to drive

Nearly made me want to give up cars

Now this is the opening line on our clubs constitution

So what makes a Pariahs member?

Buggered if we know BUT as The general concensis is, we want to get too anal on what makes a proper car/club member, otherwise we turn into self righteous pricks we want to avoid.


And that suits me fine

Some of our clubs cars
image

image

Love your clubs style mate...and that Commer!

[au2000]

Originally Posted by Rallye Sport

Club regos seem like a lot of hard work to me, joining a club, becoming a contributing member, dealing with the anoraks and wasting days at shows or cruises.
Or if I'm hard up I could spend a day doing some o/t at work, pay a full rego and drive my cars whenever I like.
Sometimes its harder work avoiding doing (or paying) for something

On top of clubs and log books, annual renewals involve getting the club president or treasurer to sign your permit renewal then you have to present the completed renewal to vicroads and pay at vicroads, you can't pay for it on line as they have to stamp your permit renewal which is stuck in the log book.
If you work normal hours, can be harder than paying full rego

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by 9triton

that's not correct- it WAS the case and got rorted -VIC ROADS overhauled the systems about 3-4 years ago -anything POST 1948 needs a rwc.

OK, I stand Corrected..

[73 4V XB]

Originally Posted by hayseed

In Victoria, anything Post 1949 is at the "clubs" discretion if a RWC is needed..

Here's a laymans description of how the System Works in Victoria..

http://feralsportscarclub.net/CarClub2015.html

That got sorted.
Despite what state you live in, all cars are to be deemed road worthy. No club member/organisations can deem a car road worthy with out a valid RWC license.
I see where Franco is going with this. Yes it sucks for the honest members to end up suffering for the few that do rort the system but it’s human nature to do so, how many can honestly say we’re not being rorted by governments in one way or another.
I have a XB GT and when I approached the GT club to become a member I found their requirements not suitable for my needs. I wasn’t going to drive over an hour to attend meetings 4 times a year so I found a more suitable club. We don’t have the log book system in QLD yet, I hope it never comes in. It’s only a matter of time before the dodgy clubs stuff it up for everyone.

[Rallye Sport]

Originally Posted by The Yeti

If all your in it for is to save a few bucks, your not the person for a club and that’s not who it’s aimed at

If you want to do car **** with mates it’s perfect

I’ve never ran out of logbook days

I do plenty of "car ****" with my mates, we don't need presidents, treasurers, constitutions or discounts on our registrations.
All clubs have their purple circle no matter what their charter states.

[LeadFoot81]

The problem is old cars that are obviously dailies being driven on club rego.

[Capriman]

Originally Posted by hayseed

In Victoria, anything Post 1949 is at the "clubs" discretion if a RWC is needed..

NOT TRUE! ALL POST 1949 vehicles MUST have a current RWC to gain access to the Victorian scheme!

[wackyv8]

i went to an informal meeting today ,(cars n coffee event) there were all kinds of ****box MG, holden , Austin ,Toyota , chev, fiat, leyland, citroen vehicles , and, one of my ford's on club permit scheme plates.
All passed roadworthy test , and all on vic club plates .
if you think the club scheme is just for cheap rego on an old ****box , your 1/2 right , if you think club permit rego is for cheap rego , i think youre approaching it wrong.

the first person i spoke to today as i was getting out of the car was a 10y.o(or so) kid , and he said "hello , can you tell me what year this car was made?" .
1976 , the year they made both XB and XC , i replied , he took it in , and i let him jump in , then had a yak to his ol man for 10 mins . the kid had a blast .
Without the club permit scheme this car , and others like it would languish in sheds , never to be seen again .

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by wackyv8

i went to an informal meeting today ,(cars n coffee event) there were all kinds of ****box MG, holden , Austin ,Toyota , chev, fiat, leyland, citroen vehicles , and, one of my ford's on club permit scheme plates.
All passed roadworthy test , and all on vic club plates .
if you think the club scheme is just for cheap rego on an old ****box , your 1/2 right , if you think club permit rego is for cheap rego , i think youre approaching it wrong.

the first person i spoke to today as i was getting out of the car was a 10y.o(or so) kid , and he said "hello , can you tell me what year this car was made?" .
1976 , the year they made both XB and XC , i replied , he took it in , and i let him jump in , then had a yak to his ol man for 10 mins . the kid had a blast .
Without the club permit scheme this car , and others like it would languish in sheds , never to be seen again .

Yes they would, you'd just pay $800 for rego instead of sub $100.

[wackyv8]

retracted my opinion . MY OPINION

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

I think the point that Franco is trying to make is that there are quite a few that he's sees daily, so not properly conforming with the rules.

Which in NSW is ...........

Historic vehicles can be used:

1. For events organised by a recognised historic vehicle club or community group, only if an invitation is received and recorded by the club in the Day Book (the official minutes of the club)
2. On the road if they need to be serviced, or if an inspection is needed
3. On a longer road journey, if you tell your club and the details are recorded in the Day Book.
4. If you want to use your historic vehicle to transport passengers for weddings or other functions, you'll need to check the requirements under the Passenger Transport Act 1990, seek approval from the club, and have the details recorded in the Day Book.

Club Permit Scheme rules in Victoria are very different, basically there are no rules. I am Vice President/Treasurer and Scrutineer for one of our local car club, probably one of the bigger ones in town. The only stipulation is that when the vehicle goes on the scheme it has a road-worthy and the owner has to be in an Approved VicRoads car club, these clubs do not have to be 'incorporated', the vehicle can then be driven anywhere, anytime with or without the club to a maximum of 90 days (2 x 45 days)

I get sickened when I see the rules being s t r e t c h e d like they are here in Victoria, on a recent trip to S.A. I saw about 3 older mobile homes on the CPS (club permit scheme - it shouldn't be called 'rego' coz it's not, you run on a permit), one was even towing a fully registered car on a trailer behind

Victorian CPS vehicles are NOT to be used for hire or reward, that means carting grain or doing a wedding for a mate where there is an exchange of 'reward' (yep a bottle of Bundy).

These people are playing within the rules Franco, but I agree it is ****

They need to tighten up the 'classic' rules bit. My XP went on the CPS in 2010, its number plate is 07951, so that is the 7951st vehicle on the scheme, earlier this year they passed the 100,000 vehicle mark on the scheme so they had to come up with a new number plate system. So in the 9 years since I went on the CPS 93,000+ other vehicles have gone on (that is not counting the 'M' plated or the Hot Rod plated only the H plated)

Police need to police it more, I had a long discussion with a close mate who is a HWP officer about the things he needs to watch out for, log books filled in in pencil, 'hire and reward' of some HV CPS holders. Brickies, plumbers, builders etc. 90 days for $145 gives some dodgies cheap access to the roads

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Capriman

NOT TRUE! ALL POST 1949 vehicles MUST have a current RWC to gain access to the Victorian scheme!

that is correct, mind you the 25 year minimum rule is in so we are now seeing EB's and VS Commodores coming into the scheme, nothing wrong with that, some are classic, but a ****ty old paint faded EB GL is NOT a classic sorry, it isn't.

'H' stands for HISTORIC, these days a 25 year old car is NOT of any 'historical' value, well not many are

A 'classic'? - maybe

[Citroënbender]

I’ve got a car which will be eligible in 18 months for NSW “club plates”. It bothers me not, to retire it from daily service and only drive 60 days a year in it. That’s still some decent mileage and use.

How I maintain it won’t change, I like my cars ready to cross the Nullarbor with nothing more than a quick check of tyre pressures and fluids. But because it looks ratty, no doubt it will attract pejorative opinions of the uncouth/uninformed. Saving $800/yr on registration will soon fund a repaint of the roof and lift its appearance.

[Falcon SXR8]

Wish we had the log book system up here in qld, our club rego sucks you basically cant drive them without going on an official club run. Would love to have a couple free days a week to drive the old xdub

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Falcon SXR8

Wish we had the log book system up here in qld, our club rego sucks you basically cant drive them without going on an official club run. Would love to have a couple free days a week to drive the old xdub

yep, pretty much open slather here, as long as the log book is completed. I sometimes give the old girl a run to the shops or to work. I buy 45 days and I reckon the most I have ever used would be maybe 28

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

I’ve got a car which will be eligible in 18 months for NSW “club plates”. It bothers me not, to retire it from daily service and only drive 60 days a year in it. That’s still some decent mileage and use.

How I maintain it won’t change, I like my cars ready to cross the Nullarbor with nothing more than a quick check of tyre pressures and fluids. But because it looks ratty, no doubt it will attract pejorative opinions of the uncouth/uninformed. Saving $800/yr on registration will soon fund a repaint of the roof and lift its appearance.

I have a 1997 EL Fairmont Ghia in pretty good nick I might put it on the CPS in July 2022, but then again we do use it as a daily so maybe I won't

[Lunch]

Don’t blame the people taking advantage of cheap rego in a car that’s eligible, blame vicroads ( or the like ) for charging $850 a year to register a late model ute ( for example )

[roKWiz]

As Trevor pointed out it should not be known as rego, its a club permit.
Thanks for clearing that up about the full RW inspections before being issued the club plates.

I haven't got a problem with the age / type of club registered vehicle just when you see them blatantly used for work purposes is wrong.

Its a pity Australia can not make a standard age or scheme to apply to all states.

[kcodezd]

If only the authority’s realised that if all regos were cheaper, then they would get more money from us in the long run. More registered cars does not mean more cars on the road, you can only drive 1 at a time.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Lunch

Don’t blame the people taking advantage of cheap rego in a car that’s eligible, blame vicroads ( or the like ) for charging $850 a year to register a late model ute ( for example )

It's on the same level as tax avoidance and welfare cheats, the irony is the people defending this scam would be pointing fingers at mining and tech companies avoiding taxes or dole bludgers cheating the system until the shoes on your foot and then it's OK because I'm getting the benefits

If the Government decides to investigate further, they'll either modify the scheme further or they'll cancel it - you're talking tax dollars being withheld.

It's in your interests to prevent this occuring - we've all seen the implementation and evolution of the Hoon laws introduced a little over a decade ago about how they target car enthusiasts, we're already an endangered species.

VIC rego is cheaper than both NSW and QLD so you have it good already.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by citroënbender

i’ve got a car which will be eligible in 18 months for nsw “club plates”. It bothers me not, to retire it from daily service and only drive 60 days a year in it. That’s still some decent mileage and use.

How i maintain it won’t change, i like my cars ready to cross the nullarbor with nothing more than a quick check of tyre pressures and fluids. But because it looks ratty, no doubt it will attract pejorative opinions of the uncouth/uninformed. Saving $800/yr on registration will soon fund a repaint of the roof and lift its appearance.

........2cv?

[whitelion65]

image[/QUOTE]

Ah, the “Pig of steel “. Does anyone drive that? Or is it yard art ;-)

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

If the Government decides to investigate further, they'll either modify the scheme further or they'll cancel it - you're talking tax dollars being withheld.

maybe. or not. In the UK all cars over 25 years old are exempt from paying road tax. that's totally exempt. zero pounds. I know the system is different in the UK and there are other fees to pay, but not to the government. all they get is the road tax payment.

[FairmontGS]

There's plenty of old bangers on H plates around here - I'd rather look at them on my daily walk than the SUV fridges that seem to prevail.

[73 4V XB]

Originally Posted by Falcon SXR8

Wish we had the log book system up here in qld, our club rego sucks you basically cant drive them without going on an official club run. Would love to have a couple free days a week to drive the old xdub

You need to find another club. My club has a list of club sanctioned venues. I can legally drive all over Brisbane and then some. One guy in the club used his 65 F100 as a daily to and from work, it’s within the 15km radius of he’s garaged address. Yes he’s pushing the boundaries but has been doing it for years. Most cops don’t know how the scheme works up here, I was pulled up one morning going to work for a RBT after state of origin game, was asked why I’m driving the car so I told him I’m going to Willowbank raceway after work... ok of you go. Another now ex-member was caught doing burnouts at Aussie world, he got a fine and a slap on the wrist, nothing about rego was mentioned.
Yes cops need to enforce the laws more but I’d rather see them doing more important jobs.
We also have the option of fitting personnel plates instead of S plates. At least I did 11 years ago. Takes the focus off you.

[Trevor 57]

I think that VicRoads (after consulting clubs) will alter the scheme more, tighten it down

The blow out in permits occurred when they removed the bit about only using the car on club runs

With the slowing down of American imports (due to asbestos and other issues) we will probably see less cars going on the scheme.

They may even extend out the time, say from 25 years to 35 year

People will always abuse a loop hole, and with little real policing going on there is a lot of opportunity to abuse the system.

They may even change to rules under which clubs get approved, there is a local club to me with 660 members @ $100 per year who run no events, have no meetings, all they do is provide access to the CPS, to me they are dodgy, but they are acting within the rules, VicRoads have even audited them with no faults found. $66,000 per year income for the clubs exec, not bad with no accountability

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by simon varley

maybe. or not. In the UK all cars over 25 years old are exempt from paying road tax. that's totally exempt. zero pounds. I know the system is different in the UK and there are other fees to pay, but not to the government. all they get is the road tax payment.

In Japan all old cars are banned from the road - it has **** all to do with Australia, let alone Victoria