June 2018 vFacts

[csv8]

my i20 is the same, 4 years old, only replaced the battery. Just keeps going like the energizer bunny.

[russellw]

The graphical stats for the month of June are now uploaded to the Tech Portal.

Cheers
Russ

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by ozpacman

At least you left my little i30 oil-burner alone this time! Every time I wash it I tell it, "MM says you're a heap of poop and don't deserve to be on our roads."

Damn thing doesn't listen to a word I say - just insists on purring along and making me wait 800 Klicks between bowser visits.

I must get around to buying a decent car one of these days...

I30 is better car than Thai junk pretending to be Japanese or American. The last time I rented one, I was impressed by the fit and finish. It was put together a lot better than the Thai cars: Lancer, current Corolla Sedan or worse Nissan Micra, that thing was a turd. The i30 also happened to be made in the Czech Republic, which was a pleasant surprise.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

I30 is better car than Thai junk pretending to be Japanese or American. The last time I rented one, I was impressed by the fit and finish. It was put together a lot better than the Thai cars: Lancer, current Corolla Sedan or worse Nissan Micra, that thing was a turd. The i30 also happened to be made in the Czech Republic, which was a pleasant surprise.

So are you saying your “top shelf” I30 is great because it is made by Europeans / Caucasians ?

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

So are you saying your “top shelf” I30 is great because it is made by Europeans / Caucasians ?

Only the N model is built in Europe the rest are from south Korea.

Funny the rolla is still from Japan as was the lancer.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

I30 is better car than Thai junk pretending to be Japanese or American. The last time I rented one, I was impressed by the fit and finish. It was put together a lot better than the Thai cars: Lancer, current Corolla Sedan or worse Nissan Micra, that thing was a turd. The i30 also happened to be made in the Czech Republic, which was a pleasant surprise.

Get your facts right mate

[jpd80]

Back on topic,
Fiesta (23), Ecosport (92) and Mondeo (160) are now not worth the time and effort
Ford should stop wasting time bring such poor selling models here, it's embarrassing.
They should be looking at new products like RWD Explorer and V6 diesel F150

[GO FURTHER]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Back on topic,
Fiesta (23), Ecosport (92) and Mondeo (160) are now not worth the time and effort
Ford should stop wasting time bring such poor selling models here, it's embarrassing.
They should be looking at new products like RWD Explorer and V6 diesel F150

Well that might happen.
Ford is stopping all production of cars except the Mustang and Focus in the American market.

By 2020, almost 90% will be pickups, SUVs and commercial vehicles.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Back on topic,
Fiesta (23), Ecosport (92) and Mondeo (160) are now not worth the time and effort
Ford should stop wasting time bring such poor selling models here, it's embarrassing.
They should be looking at new products like RWD Explorer and V6 diesel F150

Had a conversation with my local dealer salesman while waiting for our Transit Custom service. I stated, to his disappointment instead of buying another Transit Custom I bought a Renault Trafic Crewvan lifestyle pack. I asked why Ford don't offer their version here and the standard reply was "because not enough sales to justify it".

Keeping my cool because the salesman has no product manager power at Ford Aust. so it's not his fault....I replied well actually "only an idiot would visit the Ford Aust. website, see that the Crewvan variant wasn't available and then come into a dealership and try to buy one". It's the "chicken and egg" argument. Yet Renault sell more Trafic's then the Transit Custom and they don't have an auto version.

With the Transit Custom, by the time you option an aftermarket second row seats, bulkhead for behind this, windows in the sliding doors, dual sliding doors, etc..you are nearly $10K above the Trafics price. And the Trafic came with metallic paint, alloys, factory 6 seats, solid rear bulkhead, dual sliding doors with opening windows, sun shades... all for at least $10K less then an optioned Transit Custom.

If you have to wait 4 + months for a factory order just bloody well increase the option list and lobby the government to cut the redtape and costs involved in certifying different variants for our market.

If the car companies want to monopolise by lobbying against parallel importation then they should push very hard with the argument to our Fed. government...."If a vehicle meets UK regs it should be good enough for here!"

And jpd80....I'd love an all new Explorer if it's going to look a little like the Lincoln Aviator.

[russellw]

The Quarter 2 Segment Review is also now uploaded to the Tech Portal.

Cheers
Russ

[MrZ]

Originally Posted by russellw

The Quarter 2 Segment Review is also now uploaded to the Tech Portal.

Cheers
Russ

Cheers Russ. Noticed a small mistake though - the "SUV small" segment has percentages listed twice, instead of the actual figures.

[russellw]

Originally Posted by MrZ

Cheers Russ. Noticed a small mistake though - the "SUV small" segment has percentages listed twice, instead of the actual figures.

Won't be much use to then will it. I've updated the file.

Cheers
Russ

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

Well that might happen.
Ford is stopping all production of cars except the Mustang and Focus in the American market.

By 2020, almost 90% will be pickups, SUVs and commercial vehicles.

Focus production has already ended in the US, inventory is now down to about 50,000.
There's now a big cloud over importing Focus Active from China to the USA thanks to new Tariffs.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Had a conversation with my local dealer salesman while waiting for our Transit Custom service. I stated, to his disappointment instead of buying another Transit Custom I bought a Renault Trafic Crewvan lifestyle pack. I asked why Ford don't offer their version here and the standard reply was "because not enough sales to justify it".

Keeping my cool because the salesman has no product manager power at Ford Aust. so it's not his fault....I replied well actually "only an idiot would visit the Ford Aust. website, see that the Crewvan variant wasn't available and then come into a dealership and try to buy one". It's the "chicken and egg" argument. Yet Renault sell more Trafic's then the Transit Custom and they don't have an auto version.

With the Transit Custom, by the time you option an aftermarket second row seats, bulkhead for behind this, windows in the sliding doors, dual sliding doors, etc..you are nearly $10K above the Trafics price. And the Trafic came with metallic paint, alloys, factory 6 seats, solid rear bulkhead, dual sliding doors with opening windows, sun shades... all for at least $10K less then an optioned Transit Custom.

If you have to wait 4 + months for a factory order just bloody well increase the option list and lobby the government to cut the redtape and costs involved in certifying different variants for our market.

If the car companies want to monopolise by lobbying against parallel importation then they should push very hard with the argument to our Fed. government...."If a vehicle meets UK regs it should be good enough for here!"

And jpd80....I'd love an all new Explorer if it's going to look a little like the Lincoln Aviator.

I hear your frustration.
Strange that Traffic doesn't have a DSG box like the big Master but oh well...

Of course there's new Focus in the works but not sure when Thailand will switch and what versions we get.
Fiesta is a goner, pity because I think Fiesta ST should stay, Ford please import from Germany

Reading sales reports of Aussie designed CD4 Taurus in China, very disappointing that
the big car sell barely 1,000 a month, maybe try here as our "Commodore " alternative..
Gotta be better than Mondeo's 160 sales.

If the car companies want to monopolise by lobbying against parallel importation then they should push very hard with the argument to our Fed. government...."If a vehicle meets UK regs it should be good enough for here!"

Our Australian standards are supposed to be in the process of harmonisation with EU standards,
just drop all the ADRs and go with EU specs like New Zealand and cut out 90% of the BS

And jpd80....I'd love an all new Explorer if it's going to look a little like the Lincoln Aviator.

IMO, FoA needs it's own Jeep Grand Cherokee and a big diesel Pick Up as product above Ranger
Those two would be easy sells to a lot of what Ford should be considering valued customers

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by jpd80

I hear your frustration.
Strange that Traffic doesn't have a DSG box like the big Master but oh well...

Of course there's new Focus in the works but not sure when Thailand will switch and what versions we get.
Fiesta is a goner, pity because I think Fiesta ST should stay, Ford please import from Germany

Reading sales reports of Aussie designed CD4 Taurus in China, very disappointing that
the big car sell barely 1,000 a month, maybe try here as our "Commodore " alternative..
Gotta be better than Mondeo's 160 sales.


Our Australian standards are supposed to be in the process of harmonisation with EU standards,
just drop all the ADRs and go with EU specs like New Zealand and cut out 90% of the BS


IMO, FoA needs it's own Jeep Grand Cherokee and a big diesel Pick Up as product above Ranger
Those two would be easy sells to a lot of what Ford should be considering valued customers

I think the Master auto is a semi-automated single clutch and if it's like the old pre-2014 Trafic it's better it isn't used. I'm guessing the next Trafic will gain some form of auto/dsg as it's twinned with the Vauxhall Vivaro and they let out a new model was coming in 2019.

I totally agree about a model range above Ranger.

I also bought one of the last Territory's in early 2017 and I've decided none of my vehicles will ever be kept after 3 years and although it's doing low kays my next vehicle will need to have heated driving seats (how did I survived in Melb. without them, lol), decent smooth power, all the tech and to be frank I'm not fussed about fuel economy...I keep thinking about a Trackhawk but then think I'll go "cheap" and an SRT will do....and then I keep watching YouTube vids of the new Lincoln Aviator and wonder when I win Powerball do I convert it to RHD here or in the US before shipping because it would probably still be cheaper then buying a supercharged Range Rover.

[russellw]

Finally, we've posted the Truck Sales stats for the June half.

Interestingly, truck sales have increased by 17.74% this year to date, which is significantly more growth than the passenger segment has shown. In fact, most of that increase has been in the larger end of the market which has grown by more than 34%.

Cheers
Russ

[GO FURTHER]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

I also bought one of the last Territory's in early 2017 and I've decided none of my vehicles will ever be kept after 3 years and although it's doing low kays my next vehicle will need to have heated driving seats (how did I survived in Melb. without them, lol).

I had the same thoughts about keeping a car for more than 3 years, due to the high kilometres I do, but now that Ford offers a 5 year and unlimited kilometre warranty, I may keep my Mustang for longer.

I also never thought I'd use the heated seat function, and would only use the air conditioned seat feature in the Pony in summer (being leather), but I was wrong.

In recent years, now I'm almost 60, I have more lower back niggles, and the heated seat combined with heated lumbar support has made a world of difference to my back!

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

I hear your frustration.
Strange that Traffic doesn't have a DSG box like the big Master but oh well...

Of course there's new Focus in the works but not sure when Thailand will switch and what versions we get.
Fiesta is a goner, pity because I think Fiesta ST should stay, Ford please import from Germany

Reading sales reports of Aussie designed CD4 Taurus in China, very disappointing that
the big car sell barely 1,000 a month, maybe try here as our "Commodore " alternative..
Gotta be better than Mondeo's 160 sales.

Fiesta ST is coming here. It’s the only version of the fiesta we will get.

I like the taurus (very comfy to drive), but its only made in lhd. Not enough sales to ever get it rhd either. Plus china spec cars are quite different in a lot of ways than us or euro spec cars are.

Ford exec said recently they are looking at explorer. If they do make it rhd.

[stefcio007]

My co-worker bought an i20/i30 last month to replace her Focus which honestly sounded like it was about to die. The Focus/Fiesta saga pretty much killed the Ford brand for small cars. Still, they are going to show off the 2019 Focus locally here, interested to see what buzz it will generate and if they can turn that into sales.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Fiesta ST is coming here. It’s the only version of the fiesta we will get.

I like the taurus (very comfy to drive), but its only made in lhd. Not enough sales to ever get it rhd either. Plus china spec cars are quite different in a lot of ways than us or euro spec cars are.

Ford exec said recently they are looking at explorer. If they do make it rhd.

Thank you, a glimmer of hope

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Back on topic,
Fiesta (23), Ecosport (92) and Mondeo (160) are now not worth the time and effort
Ford should stop wasting time bring such poor selling models here, it's embarrassing.
They should be looking at new products like RWD Explorer and V6 diesel F150

What about Focus?

That segment still rates highly just below the 4 cab utes

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Fiesta ST is coming here. It’s the only version of the fiesta we will get.

I like the taurus (very comfy to drive), but its only made in lhd. Not enough sales to ever get it rhd either. Plus china spec cars are quite different in a lot of ways than us or euro spec cars are.

Ford exec said recently they are looking at explorer. If they do make it rhd.

Just wondering, with the ending of sedans in the USA announced, would they need some increased production volume that could easily happen with some RHD builds if rhd models are also developed in future. Also do they "batch-build" rhd Mustang now and Edge/Endura in Canada?

[Vesper Martini]

Escape cant be doing very well either, is it that bad compared to a CX5? how will the Endura go - long time coming.

[csv8]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

Escape cant be doing very well either, is it that bad compared to a CX5? how will the Endura go - long time coming.

Endura is on Ford website. must be soon.

[Vesper Martini]

Still very little info we get a diesel, but America only get Petrol. - I think.
they also get a 250KW Edge ST - so will we get an Endura ST

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

Still very little info we get a diesel, but America only get Petrol. - I think.
they also get a 250KW Edge ST - so will we get an Endura ST

We will get Endura ST Line, a rebadge of the UK's Edge ST Line with 2.0 diesel...

but we are not deserving of 2.0 Ecoboost or 2.7 Ecoboost because Ford thinks that
no one in Australia wants the performance versions or they can't be F***ed to even try..
They need to keep running through CEOs until one starts to listen to the market and wants
to sell more than just vanilla poo that people can get cheaper from Toyota or Hyundai..

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by jpd80

I hear your frustration.
Strange that Traffic doesn't have a DSG box like the big Master but oh well...

Of course there's new Focus in the works but not sure when Thailand will switch and what versions we get.
Fiesta is a goner, pity because I think Fiesta ST should stay, Ford please import from Germany

Reading sales reports of Aussie designed CD4 Taurus in China, very disappointing that
the big car sell barely 1,000 a month, maybe try here as our "Commodore " alternative..
Gotta be better than Mondeo's 160 sales.


Our Australian standards are supposed to be in the process of harmonisation with EU standards,
just drop all the ADRs and go with EU specs like New Zealand and cut out 90% of the BS


IMO, FoA needs it's own Jeep Grand Cherokee and a big diesel Pick Up as product above Ranger
Those two would be easy sells to a lot of what Ford should be considering valued customers

We still get Fiesta ST and also our new Focus line up is built in Germany.



For anyone doubting Escape there is nothing wrong with it. Ford lost traction with it when they called it Kuga and ever since then its struggled. Its probably the best car in that segment if you ask me, and is better then the CX5. Sadly you cannot beat Mazdas reputation and resale values, they absolutely kill Kuga / Escape.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by jpd80

We will get Endura ST Line, a rebadge of the UK's Edge ST Line with 2.0 diesel...

but we are not deserving of 2.0 Ecoboost or 2.7 Ecoboost because Ford thinks that
no one in Australia wants the performance versions or they can't be F***ed to even try..
They need to keep running through CEOs until one starts to listen to the market and wants
to sell more than just vanilla poo that people can get cheaper from Toyota or Hyundai..

Territory sales figures are why we get no Petrol option in Endura. They were hard to sell, the figures and holding days don't lie, the only reason Petrol Territory lasted till the end was to help keep Geelong pumping.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

Territory sales figures are why we get no Petrol option in Endura. They were hard to sell, the figures and holding days don't lie, the only reason Petrol Territory lasted till the end was to help keep Geelong pumping.

could of should of had the v6 ecoboost in Falcon & territory. would have set them up better for now..

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

Territory sales figures are why we get no Petrol option in Endura. They were hard to sell, the figures and holding days don't lie, the only reason Petrol Territory lasted till the end was to help keep Geelong pumping.

However they don't have to keep a local production line going with local only sales as per Territory days. I'd buy a 2.7V6 Ecoboost just because I miss my G6ET but don'y enjoy stepping down into a sedan anymore. Its a 50+ y.o. thing