Holden V8 RWD sports car within 3 years - Page 2

Blue Roo · 14-01-2017, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by MethodX

Enough of ford too then, bring on the Edsel / Pinto badges
Honesty right....

Yep! And on the 7th day God created Ford.

MITCHAY · 14-01-2017, 02:12 AM

I'd be keen for at least a Camaro if the price is right maybe even stretch quite a bit for a Corvette. The pluses of not having to worry about kids

MethodX · 14-01-2017, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Blue Roo

Yep! And on the 7th day God created Ford.

On the 7th day he created all the big 3, AMC and some Euro marques.
Good on him.
Not that ford has any connection to Aus really.

Hopefully they do a hasty restyle of the Camaro, seems to have lost it.
Even if it performs great.

XR6_power · 14-01-2017, 08:10 AM

G'day all, this is my diagnosis of what is in a lot of Aussie car lovers' minds lately is-

*The cessation of the local car manufacturing, is becoming real. With Ford's plant closure in October last year, this is hitting home in a big way, and now Holden lovers are going through the same thing we went though 12 months ago. That being disbelief, loss, and what are we going to buy next?

Some people will rush out and buy a new example of the last few thousand units built, some will get nostalgic and buy a bunch of older models, to restore and put away in the shed (in the hope that they may be a retirement fund one day). Then others don't really care that much and will just buy an imported suv, American muscle car or small vehicle to replace their venerable Aussie metal.

I guess that is what this thread is about, car lovers realising that the end is here for locally made cars, and they're assessing what to do next.

For me, I know it's been on the cards for years now (the announcements were in 2013), but still can't get my head around the massive loss of jobs, of Australian car culture, the classic Holden/Ford rivalry that is Australia's alone, something our sons and daughters of the future will never really know.

Most of all, I feel it is inconcievable that we had an Auto industry that gave back to the economy in big spades, but successive governments did not even attempt to hatch a solution to make it viable in the long term.

And thus, here we are, at the end..

commodorenutt · 14-01-2017, 09:17 AM

They hatched the "solution" back in the first half of the 70s when Whitlam let his mate Button have his way with "industry" in Australia.

They killed Aussie manufacturing of electronics almost overnight in the early 70s.
For the car industry the first victim was Leyland. It's amazing that others lasted so long.

ken1939 · 14-01-2017, 02:41 PM

I am trying to wrap my head around the concept. With Holden and Ford stopping production what market will there be for something like this? Kind of like the Mustang making it to Oz and England.

GM not one to shy away from whoring a car or two, Pontiac G8 and GTO if I remember my recent history.

P6LTD351 · 14-01-2017, 03:06 PM

No way will a Camaro or a Corvette ever be brought over as a "Holden". So therefore, there will never be a Holden RWD coming. Semantics??? Some say yes. I say no. This is where you see the importance of a Ford being known as a Ford worldwide. Holden is DEAD after manufacturing ceases.

**Fordman1** · 14-01-2017, 05:35 PM

I'm biased, but the Mustang IMO has a much more iconic following worldwide than the Camaro.

Is GM going to take the punt and do a RHD version ?

Good luck if they do I say.

Nikked · 14-01-2017, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by P6LTD351

No way will a Camaro or a Corvette ever be brought over as a "Holden". So therefore, there will never be a Holden RWD coming. Semantics??? Some say yes. I say no. This is where you see the importance of a Ford being known as a Ford worldwide. Holden is DEAD after manufacturing ceases.

Holden holds arguably much more in Australia over Ford though...using a different name made it Australian...

But, as for a RWD product.

Holden have had a marketing team with its finger on the pulse for years, only a complete nutter would think that they would abandon any sort of RWD product...Whilst the Camaro is ruled out and the Corvette not really ideal...you have to point towards Cadillac for an another option.

Caddy sales aren't the greatest, and there is a global push for its models to improve numbers...and the Omega platform used by Cadillac is RHD friendly.

MethodX · 14-01-2017, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by P6LTD351

No way will a Camaro or a Corvette ever be brought over as a "Holden". So therefore, there will never be a Holden RWD coming. Semantics??? Some say yes. I say no. This is where you see the importance of a Ford being known as a Ford worldwide. Holden is DEAD after manufacturing ceases.

Yes it's semantics.
Gm is Gm is Gm. Both are yank multinationals.
Ford has closed factories in Europe and sold their ppg.
Maybe they don't have the cachet you think.

Canadian, corvette and mopars are just as legendary as the mustang

**Fordman1** · 14-01-2017, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MethodX

Yes it's semantics.
Gm is Gm is Gm. Both are yank multinationals.
Ford has closed factories in Europe and sold their ppg.
Maybe they don't have the cachet you think.

Canadian, corvette and mopars are just as legendary as the mustang

Canadian ?

MethodX · 14-01-2017, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Barraxr8

Canadian ?

On phone, camaro and gto
Soz.

roddy1960 · 15-01-2017, 11:33 AM

G'day...Incase you guys are interested..
Here's some footage of Steve Johnson driving the Elephant Pass stage of Targa Tasmania in 2014..in a new Corvette https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDhyha6ODp0 This is about 15 minutes from where I live.. I drive this road many many times a year..Not this fast of course..This is seriously steep, narrow and windy I can assure you..The other Pass (St Marys Pass) about the same distance away is the same .. It used to be a stage but they changed the course..The 'Vette' sounds alright. Here's a Porsche 911 doing the same stage , same year as a comparison.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40L4llsTI0I ..I wonder what a FGX Sprint would do it like ? ..Cheers Rod..

Franco Cozzo · 15-01-2017, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikked

you have to point towards Cadillac for an another option.

Caddy sales aren't the greatest, and there is a global push for its models to improve numbers...and the Omega platform used by Cadillac is RHD friendly.

Cadillac came to Australia:

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/103...ches-downunder

Then Cadillac disappeared from Australia before it launched properly.

Then Cadillac is coming again:

http://www.caradvice.com.au/346005/c...ralia-in-2020/

Now Cadillac is not coming:

http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/c...10-gtp96m.html

GM are FOS, they've been caught with their pants around their ankles with the Mustang release, have no answer to it and are making up crap to please the media and they fall for it hook line and sucker, there won't be a RWD V8 from them coming to Australia any time soon.

lra · 15-01-2017, 01:34 PM

"Both Jacoby and Bernhard are instead focused on repositioning Holden as a fully-imported and more premium positioned brand. Only once Holden is successful will Jacoby and Bernhard revisit introducing Cadillac to the mix."

There it is .... Caddililac will be coming to Oz ....... sometime in the indeterminate, wait and see, possibly distant future ...... or maybe not at all. Bit like the second coming of the Almighty. Why do I have visions of the life of Brian and a dead parrot. ?

eb2fairmont · 15-01-2017, 01:46 PM

Holden will never be premium position without dropping the Holden. It is just too ingrained as a purveyor of common transport like Toyota and ford Nissan etc.

There is no usp or exclusivity in terms of numbers to warrant a premium position.

FalconXV · 15-01-2017, 08:10 PM

I'm thinking it's a Buick off the Alpha platform. Cadillac, Camaro and Corvette are all too strong in terms of brand identity to bring here as Holdens- otherwise they might as well start afresh.

Also, with Chevrolet no longer in Europe and Buick stylistically linked to Opel, GM might want a Mustang rival there- especially if they build the Opel GT concept ( God I hope so).

Bossxr8 · 15-01-2017, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by eb2fairmont

Holden will never be premium position without dropping the Holden. It is just too ingrained as a purveyor of common transport like Toyota and ford Nissan etc.

There is no usp or exclusivity in terms of numbers to warrant a premium position.

They have already failed with that strategy with the new Astra, they priced it at a premium and sold f all, and after 2 months have already chopped the price. This strategy will fail big time for them cause no one wants to pay a premium for GM rubbish and they dont have the nerve to hold those prices when it doesnt work as they want it to. GM only care about sales volume and will always slash prices to increase sales numbers. Its what drove them to bankruptcy but they will never change.

Ford are trying a similar premium price strategy but at least most of their cars are some of the best in their segments, and Ford have held their nerve and keep the prices where they want them even with lower sales than they would want. But they also are generating much better profits.

MethodX · 15-01-2017, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

They have already failed with that strategy with the new Astra, they priced it at a premium and sold f all, and after 2 months have already chopped the price. This strategy will fail big time for them cause no one wants to pay a premium for GM rubbish and they dont have the nerve to hold those prices when it doesnt work as they want it to. GM only care about sales volume and will always slash prices to increase sales numbers. Its what drove them to bankruptcy but they will never change.

Ford are trying a similar premium price strategy but at least most of their cars are some of the best in their segments, and Ford have held their nerve and keep the prices where they want them even with lower sales than they would want. But they also are generating much better profits.

Hold on... Didn't they have a lot of problems with the focus and fiesta Automatic transmissions... basically they were cheap Thai garbage.
Or is that the old model now.