NSW HWP GT 150 400kw damaged

[GT2]

Originally Posted by CAT600

Ill be honest and say I dont know... when ethanol came out everyone carried on that it would be like Methanol and destroy everything in sight like frigging Godzilla in Tokyo.

The fact is even E85 is very forgiving to everything except some rubbers... E10 is far less agressive again but I am not able to give you a definitive answer mate... there are a few Clevo guys that have gone down this road with carbs, maybe do a search on it

Daniel

Thanks again.

[Trump]

Originally Posted by nt0351

im in agreement with a few of you here, more a bad tune issue would have caused it to go bang rather than the fuel ,..its just easier for all concerned to blame the E10 ,

ive actually been in this thing at full pelt on a private track for a charity day,.sure it made all the right noises ,but no way I could feel 400 killerwatts,..I remember thinking my G6ET would have creamed it.
something was wrong it wasn't happy revving out .

Would explain a lot.

[GT-GTF]

I saw this car at Sydney AFD last year. It was on static display all day and my car was on display about 30 metres away.

Constable Plod started the car cold at least half a dozen times throughout the day to rev the engine to impress the kids who gathered to check it out.

He would start it and then rev it to the redline immediately and turn it off after about 10-20 seconds of redlining.

I'm not sure how good that would be for a performance engine but if he did that at every car show he took it to (and I'm sure it went to plenty) that might explain the damage.

[pottery beige]

cop chip fail

[u2canb12]

Originally Posted by GT2

Thanks for clarifying.
And the question of adding some e10 to an older engine, will it cause damage to carb gaskets, mechanical fuel pumps, etc or will it be fine to clear carbon build up?

I am using United 100, which I believe is 10% ethanol in my XB GT and everything appears to be fine, actually notice that the engine is a little crisper in its response.....

[2011G6E]

Ethanol blend fuel is crap...full stop.

The problem is that people have been sold a pup that it's clean and green, when it's an energy negative fuel to produce, in many parts of the world is causing food shortages because farms are being turned over to produce it rather than food for people to eat, and in most cars (apart from some specially set up to run on it after modifications to the fuel system), it will increase your fuel consumption, which I am yet to see explained to me as being good for the environment.

People are still being told that all cars can use E10...with a tiny warning briefly mentioned occasionally to "check with manufacturers". It's cheaper, so of course people are going to use it when times are a bit tight, not knowing if it's good or bad for their car.

[stevanford]

2 Problems:

1. Pingtune tuned the car.
2. E10 in a car that was probably tuned for 98 octane fuel only = Disaster.

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Ethanol blend fuel is crap...full stop.

Wouldn't go that far. E85 is great if you have the fuel setup and tune to use it.

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by GT-GTS

I saw this car at Sydney AFD last year. It was on static display all day and my car was on display about 30 metres away.

Constable Plod started the car cold at least half a dozen times throughout the day to rev the engine to impress the kids who gathered to check it out.

He would start it and then rev it to the redline immediately and turn it off after about 10-20 seconds of redlining.

I'm not sure how good that would be for a performance engine but if he did that at every car show he took it to (and I'm sure it went to plenty) that might explain the damage.

Well, let's face it, it's not their stuff so why would they care.

[EASYBOSS]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

cop chip fail

Not quite, maybe ping tune fail

[Bobman]

I'm yet to see conclusive "real world" evidence in overweight Falcons that any ethanol fuel increases fuel economy by more than 0.1%.

Haven't seen it in any late model Falcon I've tested the fuel with, so it is indeed rubbish.

[u2canb12]

Originally Posted by dmat2391

cat600
first thanks for taking the time to explain and answer my question
With the above quote though I'd like to suggest, with limited productive land ,setting some of it aside to "feed" our cars is perhaps healthier for said car but not the most efficient use of productive land...........still awesome reply and thanks again

Sugar cane is only taking 1% of arable land available in Brazil & 2.7% of arable land (Maize) in the US.

[GT-GTF]

Originally Posted by GT-GTS

I saw this car at Sydney AFD last year. It was on static display all day and my car was on display about 30 metres away.

Constable Plod started the car cold at least half a dozen times throughout the day to rev the engine to impress the kids who gathered to check it out.

He would start it and then rev it to the redline immediately and turn it off after about 10-20 seconds of redlining.

I'm not sure how good that would be for a performance engine but if he did that at every car show he took it to (and I'm sure it went to plenty) that might explain the damage.

Not saying there is any reason they would care but it might explain the damage. The policeman starting it up did a very good job with kids and PR.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Ethanol blend fuel is crap...full stop.

The problem is that people have been sold a pup that it's clean and green, when it's an energy negative fuel to produce, in many parts of the world is causing food shortages because farms are being turned over to produce it rather than food for people to eat, and in most cars (apart from some specially set up to run on it after modifications to the fuel system), it will increase your fuel consumption, which I am yet to see explained to me as being good for the environment.

People are still being told that all cars can use E10...with a tiny warning briefly mentioned occasionally to "check with manufacturers". It's cheaper, so of course people are going to use it when times are a bit tight, not knowing if it's good or bad for their car.

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[Road Games]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

cop chip fail

Pffft cop chip ..... Mr bean FTMFW

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Ethanol blend fuel is crap...full stop.
energy negative fuel to produce

So...drilling holes in the ground to suck up a finite fluid then pump it into big energy consuming ships, trucks, trains to transport it to a refinery where energy is used to separate the nasties, burn off unwanted gasses, collect pitch etc..is any better?


Grow crop, sell off any food product from it, use otherwise unwanted waste to use for fuel production, replant crop.

Green plants suck Co2 from the air.


Anti ethanol dribble is just that.

Dribble.

[excopau]

Did most people know that most fuel companies put Ethanol in higher Ron fuel to increase it from 91 to 98? Another thing the media like, to say which isn't true, we are using food for fuel. Wheat and grains are most efficient to turn into Ethanol, but you only grow 1-2 tonne an acre, sugar cane grows 40-60 tonne an acre, so sugar cane is more efficient per acre for ethanol production, and we aren't taking food to turn into fuel as there is an glut at moment. Why do you think America and Brazil keeping planting more sugar cane each year for more Ethanol. Brazil expands Australia's sugar industry size each year.

[Pepscobra]

Originally Posted by Nikked

So...drilling holes in the ground to suck up a finite fluid then pump it into big energy consuming ships, trucks, trains to transport it to a refinery where energy is used to separate the nasties, burn off unwanted gasses, collect pitch etc..is any better?


Grow crop, sell off any food product from it, use otherwise unwanted waste to use for fuel production, replant crop.

Green plants suck Co2 from the air.


Anti ethanol dribble is just that.

Dribble.

Well, when you put it like that...

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by excopau

Did most people know that most fuel companies put Ethanol in higher Ron fuel to increase it from 91 to 98? Another thing the media like, to say which isn't true, we are using food for fuel. Wheat and grains are most efficient to turn into Ethanol, but you only grow 1-2 tonne an acre, sugar cane grows 40-60 tonne an acre, so sugar cane is more efficient per acre for ethanol production, and we aren't taking food to turn into fuel as there is an glut at moment. Why do you think America and Brazil keeping planting more sugar cane each year for more Ethanol. Brazil expands Australia's sugar industry size each year.

I think you'll find most 98 stuff is advertised as ethanol free, certainly stuff like VPower and Ultimate is. The United stuff has ethanol though, and they do, as by law, advertise the fact. If the VPower and Ultimate had ethanol in it they would have to say so on the pump.

The old V Power Racing 100 octane had 5% ethanol, but they no longer sell it.

[ratter]

Originally Posted by excopau

Did most people know that most fuel companies put Ethanol in higher Ron fuel to increase it from 91 to 98?

none of the 98 octane fuel that has been through my fuel tester on the dyno has had ethanol in it

[Corzza]

Doh!!!!!

[GTP534]

Does anybody know how much damage was actually caused?

The journo talks about "catastrophic engine damage" but all the police spokesman said was "some damage".

Seems there's some licence being taken by the journo; which is nothing unusual,

[xxx000]

a hole through the block i believe

[THE SLUG]

I thought I should update this thread with some more accurate info. I saw this car at a small meet last week, and spoke to the officer who drove it up there. He said that this whole fiasco actually happened about 6 months ago, and that it must of been a slow day in the news room, so the decided to bring this up. The motor has since been fully rebuilt and only run on 98. He said the original failure was due to running it on E10 when it was tuned for 98, and the subsequent hammering it got at a private track day run for charity..
So there you go, it is back up and running again, and looking as awesome as ever!

[Trump]

Originally Posted by THE SLUG

I thought I should update this thread with some more accurate info. I saw this car at a small meet last week, and spoke to the officer who drove it up there. He said that this whole fiasco actually happened about 6 months ago, and that it must of been a slow day in the news room, so the decided to bring this up. The motor has since been fully rebuilt and only run on 98. He said the original failure was due to running it on E10 when it was tuned for 98, and the subsequent hammering it got at a private track day run for charity..
So there you go, it is back up and running again, and looking as awesome as ever!

As many on here who have tuning experience have already mentioned, running E10 in an engine tuned for 98RON will not grenade the block or cause other catastrophic damage.

To quote Daniel:

Originally Posted by CAT600

People can blame E10 (and ergo any Ethanol fuels) all they want but the ONLY problem with Ethanol based fuels is the ignorant people that use it without doing any research.

Lazy people that dont do their research = deserving fools.

As far as this car is concerned, if it wasnt setup properly with the right tune and the right supporting mods then any fuel could have cause a failure.

91
E10
95
98
P100
Ethanol

Any of them.

Daniel

[THE SLUG]

Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

As many on here who have tuning experience have already mentioned, running E10 in an engine tuned for 98RON will not grenade the block or cause other catastrophic damage.

To quote Daniel:

I'm not saying that was the only cause of the engine failure, more quoting what the officer told me. The final straw was on the aforementioned track day where the engine finally gave up the ghost, but there was obviously other factors before hand that lead up to this.

[DJR-351]

Bugger that, that E10 stuff is dangerous ****, you shoulda seen the bill for the damage it did to a workmates TD Landcruiser........

[ebxr82nv]

Originally Posted by DJR-351

Bugger that, that E10 stuff is dangerous ****, you shoulda seen the bill for the damage it did to a workmates TD Landcruiser........

Bet it happened at a caltex.

[CAT600]

Typically E10 will be 2-3 octane points under 98, and it is 4% leaner but you would hope that a car designed to go to track days and be hammered would have been tuned a little more conservatively than a weekend warrior.

Daniel

[Trump]

Originally Posted by DJR-351

Bugger that, that E10 stuff is dangerous ****, you shoulda seen the bill for the damage it did to a workmates TD Landcruiser........

Not sure if serious...

[dmat2391]

CAT600
True that