Club rego scams - Page 2

XBROO · 18-12-2013, 01:30 PM

I like the log book idea, I wish Queensland would do that. One question dose it state in the rules on what you have to use to write in your log book? Because if it doesn't then you could use a pencil to fill out your log book, then rub it out again if you don't get pulled up.

Brute 33 · 18-12-2013, 01:38 PM

30 years and over for N.S.W..CONDITIONAL REGISTRATION SCHEME. Club outings only . Log book and copy of club newsletter ...Original copy of Restricted rego certificate to be kept with vehicle at all times. For vehicles as per originally manufactured , with exemption of being fuelled /powered by LPG ...8 K Maintenance run allowed....just some of the restrictions in N.S.W. and also have to have annual rego inspection by either Club Registrar or A.I.S ...

neptune blue · 18-12-2013, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MercurySilver

i know a mate who has a trans am and he had to take it to the pontiac club to be checked over to be able to get on club rego
had after market headers on it yet they let him pass

Am I missing something
So he has after market headers
The problem is ?

The Yeti · 18-12-2013, 02:14 PM

I see it all the time, and it in the past concerned me enough not to put my wife's car on club plates.

when I say consern I mean my thought prosess is if people keep abusing the system, the rego bodies will get jack of it and clamp down hard, and I dont want to be caught in the middle.

That said I kept a personal log over the last 11 1/2 months as to where we went and what we used it for and it came out as most trips were to either listed events with my club or to club sanctioned events, there were a few trips for family things (eg easter I took it to a family function that was inside 10km from my home, that I could have either classed as a maintenance trip and or notified my club secretary and obtained his blessing at a moments notice). There other than that it was taken to work twice the first my company car wouldn't start due to a flat battery and another my wife took it to her school as she was teaching her class about Australian history so I could have got around my work car issue by hollering for a Marshell and the school visit could have been permited. So the way I see it is its a valid car for club rego

bluovl · 18-12-2013, 02:47 PM

I heard a story and I'm not sure if it's true or not but it sounds believable enough.

With the new cameras the police have available to them that detect number plates etc if you have club plates they can ask to see your log book and if they have detected your car (as in you drove past one of their cameras) and the you haven't filled out the log book for that day they can fine you. Meaning they don't have to nab you on the day you were driving, they can use their camera system as proof you were.
I don't have a problem with this and responsible club members wouldn't either.

The Yeti · 18-12-2013, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bluovl

I heard a story and I'm sure if it's true or not but it sounds believable enough.

With the new cameras the police have available to them that detect number plates etc if you have club plates they can ask to see your log book and if they have detected your car (as in you drove past one of their cameras) and the you haven't filled out the log book for that day they can fine you. Meaning they don't have to nab you on the day you were driving, they can use their camera system as proof you were.
I don't have a problem with this and responsible club members wouldn't either.

I would take this as true. I don't know about the camera bit, but yea if you get pulled over and your log book isn't filled in correctly you are essentially driving an unregistered / uninsured vehicle so you will cop a hefty fine.

**Silver Ghia** · 18-12-2013, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bluovl

I heard a story and I'm not sure if it's true or not but it sounds believable enough.

With the new cameras the police have available to them that detect number plates etc if you have club plates they can ask to see your log book and if they have detected your car (as in you drove past one of their cameras) and the you haven't filled out the log book for that day they can fine you. Meaning they don't have to nab you on the day you were driving, they can use their camera system as proof you were.
I don't have a problem with this and responsible club members wouldn't either.

Never thought of this, but I don't have any problems either if it nabs the people abusing the system.

But I wonder if the police or vicroads have any means of storing the information so to check up on at a later date?

The Yeti · 18-12-2013, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by neptune blue

Am I missing something
So he has after market headers
The problem is ?

I'm led to believe that SA is VERY strict on the originality of the cars they allow on H Plates, and where VIC & NSW will allow period correct modifications and safety upgrades, SA is if it wasn't a factory option on that model it isn't allowed on the scheme.

neptune blue · 18-12-2013, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Yeti

I'm led to believe that SA is VERY strict on the originality of the cars they allow on H Plates, and where VIC & NSW will allow period correct modifications and safety upgrades, SA is if it wasn't a factory option on that model it isn't allowed on the scheme.

Well there you go
Glad I don't live in SA
Actually I was in Adelaide the other day and I asked a guy at the airport what time it was
He told me it was 1978

Trevor 57 · 18-12-2013, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Yeti

I'm led to believe that SA is VERY strict on the originality of the cars they allow on H Plates, and where VIC & NSW will allow period correct modifications and safety upgrades, SA is if it wasn't a factory option on that model it isn't allowed on the scheme.

I believe Vicroads is going to go down this path as well, if it modified then it goes to SR plates, as an owner of a 'period correct' XP Coupe, I wonder what will happen about all the XP/XM/s with Windsor's in them

neptune blue · 18-12-2013, 04:15 PM

Probably the same as street rods
A lot more scrutiny
As long as they don't go down the path of not restricting non period correct modifications its a small price to pay
Besides the more engineering controls they put on modified cars the better

Might make it harder for zip heads with VR & VS common doors to get club permit rego

bluovl · 18-12-2013, 04:20 PM

I hear a lot of people saying that Vicroads & the police want to change the current system and it's going to get a lot tougher to get a car on the club permit scheme.
Is this fact or just assumption?
After speaking with police I know they say they are okay with the system and as long as log books are filled out they are happy.
Do people on here know for a fact the system will change?

blackf6 · 18-12-2013, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by XBROO

I like the log book idea, I wish Queensland would do that. One question dose it state in the rules on what you have to use to write in your log book? Because if it doesn't then you could use a pencil to fill out your log book, then rub it out again if you don't get pulled up.

If it's anything like truck logbooks- the paper is carbon and the rub outs show on the proceeding pages.

Trevor 57 · 18-12-2013, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bluovl

I hear a lot of people saying that Vicroads & the police want to change the current system and it's going to get a lot tougher to get a car on the club permit scheme.
Is this fact or just assumption?
After speaking with police I know they say they are okay with the system and as long as log books are filled out they are happy.
Do people on here know for a fact the system will change?

I have seen the proposals and I have touched on them in previous posts here, the changes are really on to do with vehicle modifications and some points on roadworthiness

mr smith · 18-12-2013, 06:15 PM

I can see the pin being pulled, due to the amount of poo boxes doing the wrong thing.

Trevor 57 · 18-12-2013, 06:31 PM

It is not going anywhere, they will/are going to fine tune it

neptune blue · 18-12-2013, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mr smith

I can see the pin being pulled, due to the amount of poo boxes doing the wrong thing.

The overwhelming majority of club permitted cars are fine so why penalise law abiding enthusiasts

Club reg doesn't exempt you from driving a roadworthy vehicle
Just slap a defect notice on them as you would any other road registered car, its that simple

mr smith · 18-12-2013, 09:31 PM

Don't get me wrong, I think its a great system. But around Melb western subs I just see more and more cars that are clearly flouting the rules and just like most things instead of monitoring and weeding out the clowns they will make it harder for every one.

neptune blue · 18-12-2013, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mr smith

Don't get me wrong, I think its a great system. But around Melb western subs I just see more and more cars that are clearly flouting the rules and just like most things instead of monitoring and weeding out the clowns they will make it harder for every one.

The harder they make it the better
It will weed out the nobs

bluovl · 18-12-2013, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Trevor 57

I have seen the proposals and I have touched on them in previous posts here, the changes are really on to do with vehicle modifications and some points on roadworthiness

Thanks for the reply Trev. Please take this reply with utmost respect but Im unaware of your involvement in the current system but can Joe Public view the proposals or have input? Also who's initiating the proposals?

Trevor 57 · 19-12-2013, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by bluovl

Thanks for the reply Trev. Please take this reply with utmost respect but Im unaware of your involvement in the current system but can Joe Public view the proposals or have input? Also who's initiating the proposals?

The proposed changes were sent to all Vicroads approved clubs, they are probably listed on the Vicroads website under the "Club Permit" page, I couldn't find anything, but here is a link to the page

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/...lubPermits.htm

BadMax · 19-12-2013, 09:03 AM

Isn't the club rego scheme still in it's testing phase?

AGRO · 19-12-2013, 09:10 AM

I see nothing wrong with the current system Victoria has.
If anything, I would at least extend the age of the car to 30yrs old.
Lets face it, the older cars that this permit was introduced for, would have to be looked after in order to get this permit! The car/bike has to be mechanically sound and safe to drive, and the permit can be revoked (like standard registration can) if this condition is not met!
The problem is not the permit system, nor is it a scam. People abuse every system, no matter what it is.
AGRO.

BadMax · 19-12-2013, 09:52 AM

I guess part of the issue is, some of us grew up with VL's and now that we see them on H plates we laugh about it...We're just getting old.

I don't see the point of rolling it out to 30 years plus. The slightly older generation aren't the only ones wanting H plates.

monzie · 19-12-2013, 09:55 AM

The club has the power to advice Vicroads to cancel a members rego if he/she is doing the wrong thing, it's the clubs responsibily to police the system. In Vic it's ok to drive on any day as long as you have done you log book, with a 90 day permit thats close to twice a week, or drive 5 days and in the shed for 5, so maybe the people driving to work aren't doing the wrong thing.
Anybody who scams the system is probably going to drive unregisted regardless.

Pete

Trevor 57 · 19-12-2013, 10:09 AM

People are getting all bogged down with the roadworthiness or the unroadworthiness of Club Permited cars, do these same people get all 'emo' about all the other vehicles on the road? is this being driven by the VACC - LOL

And people are getting all bogged down on whether Club Cars are 'registered' or 'filling in their log books', do these same people get all 'emo' about all the other vehicles on the road?

Just asking

Trevor 57 · 19-12-2013, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by teak81

If it's anything like truck logbooks- the paper is carbon and the rub outs show on the proceeding pages.

No carbon, just a small book that requires you to put in
* the days date
* the activity/location you are using the vehicle (for example 'Melbourne area' or 'Club run - Hanging Rock (and return)')
* drivers name
* drivers signature

That is all that is required, full stop, no more, all over red rover, etc

**MercurySilver** · 19-12-2013, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by neptune blue

Am I missing something
So he has after market headers
The problem is ?

car should be stock
no modifications he was told

thought everyone would know this
i cant put my xb on club rego with a friggin turbo hanging off the side of it
its gotta be stock
so we;ve been told
(sa)
and the usual log book stuff and can drive for 90 days a year blah blah

**MercurySilver** · 19-12-2013, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by neptune blue

Well there you go
Glad I don't live in SA
Actually I was in Adelaide the other day and I asked a guy at the airport what time it was
He told me it was 1978

hilarious

we all know its now close to 1988

neptune blue · 19-12-2013, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MercurySilver

car should be stock
no modifications he was told

thought everyone would know this
i cant put my xb on club rego with a friggin turbo hanging off the side of it
its gotta be stock
so we;ve been told
(sa)
and the usual log book stuff and can drive for 90 days a year blah blah

I didn't realise this was the go in SA
We are a little more progressive on Vic
Like I said glad I don't live there
By the way the guy that told me the time at the airport had a mullet hair style