Exit Holden, Enter Cheverolet?

[jay289]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Are you a potato?

Are you 10!!!!!

[fgpsi]

Originally Posted by jay289

And what do you mean by that, alright for you to comment about the Chev badge Holden owners

You 12 year olds take the Holden/Ford racing rivalry too seriously.

[jpd80]

As Ford fans we saw the day coming when Ford would eventually say no to continued local production,
I don't think that Holden supporters were ever given a true perspective of just how tenuous local production was
and a lot of them will be shocked to think that GM pulled the plug with more than double FoA's production rate...

[Mighty Reds]

Originally Posted by jpd80

As Ford fans we saw the day coming when Ford would eventually say no to continued local production,
I don't think that Holden supporters were ever given a true perspective of just how tenuous local production was
and I'm sure that a lot of them will be shocked to think that GM pulled the plug with more than double FoA's production rate...

Even the most dyed in the wool ford supporter would have feared the worst, I doubt holden fans were even thinking closure could occur.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Mighty Reds

Even the most dyed in the wool ford supporter would have feared the worst, I doubt holden fans were even thinking closure could occur.

And we all know how Holden was talking up its future plans just 12 months ago, those plans were at best optimistic......
Nothing wrong with painting "blue sky" but I think too many believed everything was signed, sealed and delivered......

I take no joy in this as I think a lot of true believers were lead up the garden gate,
you saw an example of that not 24 hours ago with Mike Deveraux playing "no decision made" semantics...

[GK]

Originally Posted by Mighty Reds

Even the most dyed in the wool ford supporter would have feared the worst, I doubt holden fans were even thinking closure could occur.

Spot on.

They'd be simply believing the Holden propaganda (ahem advertising).

Some Holden fans are not so clever. How many Holden fans think every Holden is manufactured here?

GK

[UberKnee]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Toyota have mentioned this at some stage haven't they? They were happy to accept a small loss on local product, as it was made up for with brand recognition and sales from other lines?

How many people are even aware that Toyota have Aussie built cars though? Many people think Holden is 100% Australian with no imports or imported parts.

[jay289]

Originally Posted by fgpsi

You 12 year olds take the Holden/Ford racing rivalry too seriously.

My age has nothing to do with you, at least I have the guts to say what I feel.

It was just a bit of old school Ford/Holden **** take!!

[ozpacman]

Originally Posted by jay289

My age has nothing to do with you, at least I have the guts to say what I feel.

It was just a bit of old school Ford/Holden **** take!!

Damn these school holidays - kids staying up late and sneaking onto dad's computer to slag off at the grown-ups!

Sorry jay289 I couldn't help myself - just a bit of old school ****taking ya know!

Cheers mate and please don't take offence.

Russ

[buickman]

Originally Posted by Troy23

Yep, they need to go completely Chevrolet now.

I was thinking when they announced the 2017 closure that they might start renaming the dealerships into another trading name Like GM, Chevrolet or Buick and drop the Holden name altogether.

[BENT_8]

They might dust off the ol' GM Daewoo signs...

[fgpsi]

Would love to see Cadilac here.

[DreadlyST]

Now it all makes sense, wondered why G.M elected to bring Opel to Oz. Guess we know now, it was to have a brand ready for action when the dump holden.
Never could understand why G.M give their cars different names depending on where in the world they are sold, ie Holden = Vauxhall = Opel = Chev. the Astra is a prime example of 1 car over all 4 brands.

[Rodge]

Originally Posted by jpd80

I have a feeling that without local production, those imported Holden vehicles will get very little showroom traffic.

Good point. I can't help wondering if GM factored that in properly to their business model going forward ?

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Rodge

Good point. I can't help wondering if GM factored that in properly to their business model going forward ?

50-60% of Holden sales are currently locally produced vehicles, I think another unseen casualty
will be reduced Holden dealerships while Asian franchises will grow stronger replacing Ford and Holden.

If Hyundai, Toyota and Mazda get expansive sales foot print and dealer networks size like Ford and Holden did, look out..

I think we'll see that in the next few years as more prospective buyers write off Ford and Holden,
I don't see anything in either brand's import products that makes a compelling case over Toyota, Mazda or Hyundai.

Post 2017, Holden and Ford will still have their buyers but both will be even smaller than they are now....

[Insidious]

I work in the car component company and can tell you that Toyota will not be here for long,and most of the component company's are going to fold due to the lack of profit from just 1 car manufacture.The cost of the car will be to great for them to source parts that are made here from O/S. Just my 2 cents

[csv8]

How about Chrysler ? 300C will be only large car left maybe Chrysler will bring other 300C's in???

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by jpd80

I don't think that Holden supporters were ever given a true perspective of just how tenuous local production was
and a lot of them will be shocked to think that GM pulled the plug with more than double FoA's production rate...

There seemed to be many on here that thought the same.

[barra240t]

I'm all blue blooded but it would be a shock if the Holden name was removed from GM in Australia (GMH) However a lot of what has happened seems to point towards Chev taking over in Australia.

Sort of makes Ford look like the well known badge in Australia out of the two if it does happen.

[in_xcess]

The majority of Australian car consumers (as with voters) are clueless idiots. They WILL buy cars after 2017 with Holden badges... betcha.

"Just as TTAC predicted, Holden will become a “national sales company”, presumably importing GM cars made in Korea, Thailand and possibly even China. *The Thai built Colorado and Korean built Cruze and Malibu will comprise the future of Holden’s lineup, as demand for the Commodore and Ute has fallen consistently. In addition to the aforementioned factors, the end of protectionist tariffs on imported cars is also cited by many as the downfall of the traditional Australian car, with consumers opting en masse for Thai-built trucks and more fuel efficient Japanese, Korean and European vehicles."

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...sales-company/

[Sprint]

So let me summarise this threads purpose?

Throw away 70+ years of tradition and hard work, no problem we can cry to Chev, who don't give a dung about Aussie jobs, Australian economics ,why would they build cars here if we cant or are not even interested in our own jobs.

We can give our money to America because they don't have enough, maybe with any luck they can afford to fund a new war with iran or china.

Im sorry but the bow tie has been poison to Australia I think. I think you guys will need to save for a recession rather than save for a new shiney Chev v8 now.

[Kieron]

Ole JD at it again -
Holden cars and dealerships could be rebadged as Chevrolet
http://www.perthnow.com.au/business/...-1226781980761

I summary, appears GM wanted to dump the Holden name a while back, to keep it, Holden had to soften its 'bogan' image but are still actively sponsoring 'bogan' sports so it could well be on the cards.

This is exactly what I think Ford Aus are doing by shying away from the Falcon!

[Ford17]

http://www.perthnow.com.au/business/...-1226781980761

"The amount of money we've spent trying to defend the Holden brand to Detroit is ridiculous," he said.

"But when executives from North America come out to Australia, they take photos of Chevrolet badges that people have fitted to their Holden utes, and use that against us."

[b0son]

I don't think it will matter much which way they present the product, its crap. Not a class leader among them. GM.. generally medicore...

[TC200six]

Wouldn't that be the most epic kick in the guts to Holden fans (of Holden itself, not GM) if the Holden name was killed off. It's hard to imagine the car market here with no Holden name in sight. Not saying it will happen, though. As I said in my first post, since Holden has been a long-standing name in this country, they will try to keep it.

[au2000]

I like how the CEO says that the Holden brand will stay no doubts about it, this from the same man who 24 hrs earlier denied that a decision to leave was made.
Personally I can see the name being dropped in 2017 or there abouts as financially in the long term it makes sence.

If the whole range is going to be sourced from the gm chev range then why spend all the extra money long term to re tool grilles, centre caps, steering wheel badges etc to suit the Holden lion image rather than the bow tie?

I used to laugh seeing commodores , cruse & even a few Barinas with chev bow ties on them, now I believe those clowns can predict the future better than the rest of us.......

[vztrt]

At first I thought that this wouldn't happen but now I'm thinking after the closure what exactly has the Holden brand got going for it. They are gonna be nothing but a badge were more then half their sales are manufactured here.

I guess GM will have to look into what the Holden brand means post shutdown.

[cheap]

This is not going to go well for GM as a long term concern here in Australia.

1. public feel gutted
2. Holden brand will have to be replaced with Chevrolet (see point 1)
3. poor sales will hit Chevrolet (see points 1 and 2)
4. fewer and fewer models released in the Australian market (see points 1,2 and 3)
5. without ties to Australia and less than expected sales, Chevrolet will walk away (see all of the above)

Give it 5-10 years.

[Gadgetman]

Originally Posted by jay289

Crapodore drivers have now got what they wanted, a car from they factory with a Chev badge.

A Chev badge on a Barina won't do the Chev brand any good in this country.

Bunch of ******* *******, at least a Ford is a Ford with a Ford badge!!!!

Bring on the Stang and watch the Holden/Chev ******* cry foul.

Eat **** Holden!!!

Come on man, I feel embrassed being a ford person when other ford peope put posts up like this. Be cool bro

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by vztrt

At first I thought that this wouldn't happen but now I'm thinking after the closure what exactly has the Holden brand got going for it. They are gonna be nothing but a badge were more then half their sales are manufactured here.

I guess GM will have to look into what the Holden brand means post shutdown.

Holden fans are in free fall at the moment but the general consensus is that Holden is synonymous with local manufacturing
and once that ends, keeping the brand to sell rebadged Daewoos or Opels only tarnishes the memory of Holden..

Truth is that most Holden supporters probably don't give a rats about it anymore, the response is more chilling than the Ford reaction.
Could be a great opportunity for Chrysler or Dodge to swoop in and take a huge chunk of buyers...