QLD will use GPS technology to capture the location of more than a million vehicle

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

How exactly can this be abused? Some corporation will know i like to drive around an area that has mc donalds alot and send me targeted advertising? i mean seriously what evil plan could this be used for? I drive to work lots of people know i drive there on a regular basis no less! perhaps i should get signed waivers from them so they dont tell people?

You've got a nice rare car, someone in the Police Department is involved with some low life group and they're tracing out your movements etc.

Just like how RBTs were only ever going to be used for breath tests, not shake downs.

Put on a tin foil hat and help me come up with some conspiracy theories.

[danthefordman]

The issue is that over a long period of time successive governments have slowly whittled away at our freedoms (at every level of government) such that we don't really notice we have lost them. That's why i am opposed to it. Take for example the proposed (or perhaps they may be passed by now) QLD hoon laws that allow the police to confiscate a vehicle if it receives complaints from a member of the public that someone has been revving their engine in their driveway (admittedly a very simplified example). People can now be punished based on a member of the public making a complaint without being proven to have done anything wrong. The law is treating a nuisance issue not even a safety matter. You are guilty until proven innocent. What happens if you have a run in with a neighbour and they continue to complain about you out of spite. You end up being punished because the law is being abused. That's what we must keep in mind with issues such as this. What happens when Humans get involved?

[FGII-XR6]

Originally Posted by devilcv8

Obviously you'll have no problem if the police decide to search your car because you happened to be in the area of a crime. Or while they are at it you'll have no issue if they search your home, your work or have you assist with their enquiries for a few hours, because after all you have nothing to hide, so what harm is there?

If they had good reason to suspect me no problem but they won't. they won't search everyone in the area think about the resources required to carry that out on a regular basis. this is what I mean by paranoia. if though there was a crime , my car was seen in the general area and there was a blue XR6 reported at the scene I might see why they would want to look in my car, would I object? no way they are doing a job and by searching my car they then determine I am innocent and move on to other lines of enquiry, simple really

[zilo]

So....someone gets murdered...my number plate is detected as driving past...it is then up to me as the registered owner to prove I didn't commit the crime? And to nominate who did?

same as it is up to me to nominate the driver of my company car 4 weeks after the infringement?

I can't wait to do all the law enforcement for the local wallopers in my state.

[rancidpunx]

Originally Posted by au3xr6

If they had good reason to suspect me no problem but they won't. they won't search everyone in the area think about the resources required to carry that out on a regular basis. this is what I mean by paranoia. if though there was a crime , my car was seen in the general area and there was a blue XR6 reported at the scene I might see why they would want to look in my car, would I object? no way they are doing a job and by searching my car they then determine I am innocent and move on to other lines of enquiry, simple really

Lets try this another way. This technology takes off and in the next say 2 yrs and a few high profile crimes are solved. The government approves further investment and shortly all cameras on the roads record number plates. Shortly all CCTV cameras are also equipped with the same technology and there is a huge database dedicated to recording everyones movements (Just like Facebook already knows what everyone is doing and where).

A high profile crime is committed and a single Blue XR6 is recorded at the scene WITH YOUR NUMBER PLATE. No other vehicles. Except its not your number plate its a copy. The real crooks clone a car and yours was the template. Unfortunately your at home alone at the time of this event and have no way of proving that. When the police come knocking, its to arrest you, not ask questions you were there and only you, the camera said so. You are guilty and its now up to you to prove your innocent at a great time and expense. Remember that cameras dont lie, just like speed cameras. Even if your not speeding you can still get your picture taken. Your guilty. This example is a bit out there and extreme but you a simple number plate copy away.

As I said though earlier, its this today, something else small tomorrow all "For our own good" and next we have our every movement tracked. Think of it like the Demolition Man movie. Not just cameras everywhere but speakers that hand out fines for bad language. It can and will happen if the sheep are to stupid to question things like this. GPS tracking in cars is already being tested in this country.

[burnz]

number plate check here, number plate check their.
here's your fine buddy, covered the distance to quickly.

[chevypower]

So people still think there is no corruption in the police or government, and everything they do is to protect them (the goodies) by getting rid of the baddies.

[Trump]

This is no trial, this is a test to see what sort of backend infrastructure needs to be in place to deal with every car in Qld. This will be rolled out, regardless of which party is "in power".

This is a bad idea, for the reasons mentioned by others and for pure breach of privacy. No one needs to know if you spend a lot of time at the rippers, nor do they need to know if you're spending time at the mistresses house either.

[prydey]

some people watch way too much tv!!

[prydey]

Originally Posted by devilcv8

Obviously you'll have no problem if the police decide to search your car because you happened to be in the area of a crime. Or while they are at it you'll have no issue if they search your home, your work or have you assist with their enquiries for a few hours, because after all you have nothing to hide, so what harm is there?

the police are welcome to search my house, my car, my computer or anything at all to do with my life, whenever they wish. i have nothing to hide. perhaps i live a boring life.

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by prydey

the police are welcome to search my house, my car, my computer or anything at all to do with my life, whenever they wish. i have nothing to hide. perhaps i live a boring life.

I hate that argument. I have nothing to hide either, I still don't want to be on camera 24/7, tracked by a GPS, or have cops randomly raid my home.

[Trump]

Originally Posted by chevypower

I hate that argument. I have nothing to hide either, I still don't want to be on camera 24/7, tracked by a GPS, or have cops randomly raid my home.

This.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by chevypower

I hate that argument. I have nothing to hide either, I still don't want to be on camera 24/7, tracked by a GPS, or have cops randomly raid my home.

i guess i can cut you a bit of slack as you appear to live in the US, and if the shows we see on TV are to be believed, that sort of thing may happen...

but here... seriously.

like i said. some people watch way too much tv

[ohzone]

Originally Posted by prydey

i guess i can cut you a bit of slack as you appear to live in the US, and if the shows we see on TV are to be believed, that sort of thing may happen...

but here... seriously.

like i said. some people watch way too much tv

Your willingness to give away all of your liberties is quite astounding.
If you don't think abuses of power exist in our "Utopia" then you are quite uninformed

[Maka]

After having a think about this issue last night & looking at the bigger picture, tbh there may come a time (hopefully never) where this tech will come in handy as a tool. This tech while useful, should be used only in certain circumstances while questions are asked of its true purpose.

cheers, Maka

[FGII-XR6]

[prydey]

Originally Posted by ohzone

Your willingness to give away all of your liberties is quite astounding.
If you don't think abuses of power exist in our "Utopia" then you are quite uninformed

and to think all you paranoid people are actually brave enough to own mobile phones....

i'm 'astounded' your tin foil hats don't cramp your style

[Trump]

Originally Posted by au3xr6

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Really? People are expressing valid concerns about the very real potential of abuse of the technology and you tar them with the tinfoil brush?

[ohzone]

Never any abuses of power?

WA police officers have been convicted of nearly 250 criminal offences over the past five years including sex crimes against children, serious assaults, burglary and dangerous driving.

Figures obtained by The Sunday Times from WA Police Internal Affairs show 347 charges have been laid against 100 officers after complaints from the public and internal investigations since 2008.

The database reveals 11 officers have been convicted of a string of offences in the 2012-13 financial year, including a senior sergeant failing to stop after a crash, dangerous driving, stealing as a public servant and aggravated assault.

More than half the criminal charges for the past five years were for misusing police computers, which includes illegally using the police database to uncover personal details.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/west...-1226630777954

That's only Police, how many Pollies do you have undying faith in

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by prydey

if the shows we see on TV are to be believed....
some people watch way too much tv

I dispute the reasoning that the only reason one would be against it is by having something to hide. It has nothing to do with TV and everything to do with privacy in your own home.

[FGII-XR6]

I am just expressing my VALID opinion I have so far read nothing but paranoid delusions on this topic

Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

Really? People are expressing valid concerns about the very real potential of abuse of the technology and you tar them with the tinfoil brush?

[chevypower]

So not even worried that Google and Facebook selling personal data? They are going to love your GPS data too. Oh wait, the world is full of people with good intentions. Conspiracies don't really exist.

[FGII-XR6]

As I said I'm not a criminal and have nothing to hide but the paranoid and the deluded will fear everything new . there is no convincing some people.
I'm done here

[Trump]

Originally Posted by au3xr6

As I said I'm not a criminal and have nothing to hide but the paranoid and the deluded will fear everything new . there is no convincing some people.
I'm done here

And this right here is what govco wants as the prevailing attitude.

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by au3xr6

As I said I'm not a criminal and have nothing to hide but the paranoid and the deluded will fear everything new . there is no convincing some people.
I'm done here

Hey I work in a psychiatric hospital, I know what delusional is, and it's inappropriate to throw that word around just because you disagree with people. Plus it shows a sign of a lack of your own critical thinking.

[FGII-XR6]

Originally Posted by chevypower

Hey I work in a psychiatric hospital, I know what delusional is, and it's inappropriate to throw that word around just because you disagree with people. Plus it shows a sign of a lack of your own critical thinking.

I know I said I was finished but this bears commenting on. I too have worked with mental health patients in the substance abuse sector. A delusion is a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary. I feel the description fits well in this case.
Paranoia is a thought process believed to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory beliefs, or beliefs of conspiracy concerning a perceived threat towards oneself. also a fitting description of what I am seeing here
given the basic definitions I have put forward I fail to see how my use of these terms shows a "lack of critical thinking"

[Trump]

Originally Posted by au3xr6

I know I said I was finished but this bears commenting on. I too have worked with mental health patients in the substance abuse sector. A delusion is a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary. I feel the description fits well in this case.
Paranoia is a thought process believed to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory beliefs, or beliefs of conspiracy concerning a perceived threat towards oneself. also a fitting description of what I am seeing here
given the basic definitions I have put forward I fail to see how my use of these terms shows a "lack of critical thinking"

If the rose coloured glasses were removed, most would realise that superior evidence exists to validate the concerns raised, not contrary to them.

[BHDOGS]

Hahah what concerns so far we have I just don't want my number plate recorded and sometime in future someone evil might do something yup close the thread arguments over lmao

[The FOMOCO]

The GPS idea smells off to me, i smell a dead rat here. It won't stop at rego's They will know how often you hang you undies on your clothes line next .Big brother moving in fast. Bad idea PRIVACY INVASION !!!!!!!

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by au3xr6

given the basic definitions I have put forward I fail to see how my use of these terms shows a "lack of critical thinking"

You used the word "delusional" and some of its variations as a dysphemism, a rhetorical device to convey emotion, rather than facts.