1st strike hoon laws in W.A

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by peterljohnson55

I am in favour of any law that gets hoons off the road ...

A moment of burnout madness, and a 6 year old boy is killed
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/arc...-1225948047556

Father of 14 dies on hoon strip
http://au.news.yahoo.com/video/natio...ak-china-data/

The ‘hoon car’ that left the road and ploughed into a mother and her 2 children, killing one of them
http://e2nz.org/2010/05/23/hoon-car-driver-was-only-17/

A FAMILY has been robbed of two sons after a terrible crash claimed the life of one and ended in the jailing of his surviving step-brother.
http://www.optuszoo.com.au/news/top/...ung-men/896966

A CAROLINE Springs teenager is distraught after a hoon driver killed his dog and almost ran him over in a hit-and-run incident last night.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law...-1226468373691

You do know a number of those were alcohol related?
Why not a 1 strike and you're out for alcohol offenses. They seam more common and as deadly, if not more than hooning.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by peterljohnson55

I am in favour of any law that gets hoons off the road ...

A moment of burnout madness, and a 6 year old boy is killed
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/arc...-1225948047556

Father of 14 dies on hoon strip
http://au.news.yahoo.com/video/natio...ak-china-data/

The ‘hoon car’ that left the road and ploughed into a mother and her 2 children, killing one of them
http://e2nz.org/2010/05/23/hoon-car-driver-was-only-17/

A FAMILY has been robbed of two sons after a terrible crash claimed the life of one and ended in the jailing of his surviving step-brother.
http://www.optuszoo.com.au/news/top/...ung-men/896966

A CAROLINE Springs teenager is distraught after a hoon driver killed his dog and almost ran him over in a hit-and-run incident last night.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law...-1226468373691

WOW, do you work for A current affair?

Well how about all persons found guilty of "hooning" get sent to the gulags and all their properties seized by the state.

Or maybe equip police cars with LAWs to just blow them off the roads.

How about tactical nuclear strikes on suburbs where known hoons live?

Now that will stop these hoons.........

OR

How about laws with the flexibility to assess each event on its merits and react accordingly.

Or do I need to list all the times where myopic naive legislation championed by agenda driven do-gooders has achieved nothing except wasting a lot of time and money in the courts for both the victim and the taxpayers?

[H.G]

Judge Dredd style law enforcement.. your a genius Flappist..
that would be perfect..

[FGII-XR6]

Originally Posted by flappist

How about tactical nuclear strikes on suburbs where known hoons live?

Now that will stop these hoons.........

there might be some fallout over that sorry had to say it

[The Monty]

However much I might not agree with your previous posts, your pun was quite well placed.

[FGII-XR6]

that's the good thing about a well run forum like this we may not agree on everything but most can find some common ground

Originally Posted by The Monty

However much I might not agree with your previous posts, your pun was quite well placed.

[peterljohnson55]

Originally Posted by Ben73

You do know a number of those were alcohol related? Why not a 1 strike and you're out for alcohol offenses...

Yes. that's a good idea, Ben73. I agree that would certainly remove an enormous amount of death and mayhem off the roads.

[peterljohnson55]

Originally Posted by flappist

WOW, do you work for A current affair?

No, I am just a road user and live in a neigbourhood with its odd number of jerks screwing around the roads putting people at risk. I also attempt to keep myself reasonably well informed on topics like this so that I can make some intelligent contribution to the discussion.

Originally Posted by flappist

Well how about all persons found guilty of "hooning" get sent to the gulags and all their properties seized by the state.

Are you serious? Nah, you're just trying to mess with me.

Originally Posted by flappist

Or maybe equip police cars with LAWs to just blow them off the roads.

Now could you just be over-reacting here? How about dealing with the issue of lives lost and people maimed, and the neighbourhoods being totally ****ed off by these uncontrolled rev-heads.

Originally Posted by flappist

How about tactical nuclear strikes on suburbs where known hoons live?

My, you do have a sense of humour for a moderator, or maybe just getting yourself in a flap. Again, responding to the issue intelligently is a good idea for a moderator. This sort of nonsense doesn't do your name any good nor does it do a thing for Australian Ford Forums if you are its representative.

Originally Posted by flappist

OR... How about laws with the flexibility to assess each event on its merits and react accordingly.

Yes, a good idea and I agree entirely. 'Response' would be better than 'react', tho, as too many go shooting off their mouth by reacting without much thought. A considered response is much, much better.

Originally Posted by flappist

Or do I need to list all the times where myopic naive legislation championed by agenda driven do-gooders has achieved nothing except wasting a lot of time and money in the courts for both the victim and the taxpayers?

If the 'agenda driven do-gooders' are endeavouring to protect people from jerks on the road then good for them. As for the rest of this quote, it is agenda driven in itself and probably not worthy of any further comment by me.

[GhiaEB]

This law is absurd! It is just a media grabbing, election year stunt.

It is up to the officer's discretion, and we all know that they are human like everyone else. They can have bad moods. Problem is that if you happen to get one in a bad mood your car might be confiscated.

These laws also bypass the courts, so even if you wish to fight it, you are still without a car. What's the wait time on a court appearance? Guilty until proven innocent.

[GhiaEB]

I love it how most the people arguing for this law don't live in WA therefor have no say in regards to this election propaganda. There was a famous case over here of a doctors Lamborghini that got seized when his mechanic took it for a spin. If this law was introduced his Lamborghini would have being seized and sold even though he had nothing to do with it.

Also didn't SA just repeal laws similar to these.

[graham7773]

GhiaEB, I live in NSW and these types of laws cannot come soon enough for me. Somebody in an earlier post in this thread quibbled about there being only a few deaths. Look again at the post by "peterljohnson55" and these are only a few of the deaths and injuries reported. A large number do not make it into the news. How would you react if one of these deaths was your wife, girlfriend, brother, sister or best friend? Ah well, gotta have compassion for the poor ignorant deprived hoon. Where else is he/she going to get his/her jollies. I watched an idiot driving past my house for several weeks in a fourby in a 40kph zone at speed for several weeks before the heap of crap fell on its side then sliding into another, parked car. I'm not sure how badly he was injured but my young son asked me how I knew it was going to happen. Just put it down to experience.

[GhiaEB]

Graham, while something needs to be done. This is not it. How would you like it if your little precious took the family car one night to go visit friends. Comes home minus car. It had been seized and was going to be sold at auctions because, they had taken off from the lights a little bit to fast. Hmm $40,000 for one small spur of the moment thing?

This law, as with most of the hoon laws, has greater implications then just hooning. You don't like your neighbour, just ring the cops and say they took off in a hurry and left a small tyre mark(that may have been there for ages) and bam car seized. It's up to them then to prove their innocence, not you prove their guilt.

[GhiaEB]

Lets take these laws and apply them to something else shall we.

Husband and wife go away for a 2week holiday, leaving the teenage kids at home. They decide to have a party. It gets out of control, police are called. Neighbours are upset. Does the government then seize the house and sell it at auction?

[STINKY NINJA]

How about a 1 strike law for chair sniffing to get the perverts out of politics...

[peterljohnson55]

Originally Posted by GhiaEB

Lets take these laws and apply them to something else shall we .... seize the house and sell it at auction

That process of argument is a total absurdity.

Other than that my first sentence in response GhiaEB's comment deserves no other intelligent response.

Let's keep this real people and not choof-off on nonsensical tangents.

BTW, if some person is stupid enough to lend their car to some petrol-head doofus, family member or not, and it is subsequently confiscated on account of idiotic behaviour, then they should take it as a lesson learned the hard way.

Are we more concerned about cars and convenience or about people and their lives?

Am I right in thinking the majority of commentators on this thread
have little concern for people favouring instead their 'valued' possessions?

.

[GhiaEB]

Originally Posted by TE 220

How about a 1 strike law for chair sniffing to get the perverts out of politics...

You have your chance in the coming months. Lol

[GhiaEB]

[QUOTE=peterljohnson55]

Originally Posted by GhiaEB

Lets take these laws and apply them to something else shall we.

That process of argument is a total absurdity.
Other than that sentence in response it deserves no other intelligent comment.

Let's keep this real people and not choof off on nonsensical tangents.
Are we more concerned about cars and convenience over and above people and their lives. Unfortunately, the majority here have little concern for people.

Why? Have you lived near a house that has had a party get wildly out of control? Thinking is the next empty stubbie going to end up in my lounge room? Or had to do the clean up mess the next day to make sure your kids don't cut themselves on broken glass? Or worse?

It's the same law applied to a different situation.

[peterljohnson55]

[QUOTE=GhiaEB;4635098]

Originally Posted by peterljohnson55

It's the same law applied to a different situation.

And that reveals the problem in your argument... You actually need DIFFERENT laws for different problems.

As to the matter of out-of-hand parties, Yes, I understand your concern. The appropriate action is to contact the police who have the LAWFUL capacity to deal with such situations, and if there are ongoing issues that impact the local community's amenity then the police and the local government may be able to do something.

[BHDOGS]

i spose the diffrence is you cant drive a house into someone else someone from a house can harm you but the house cant be used as a weapon unless they take the door of and hit you with it or something lmao.

[GhiaEB]

Originally Posted by peterljohnson55

The appropriate action is to contact the police who have the LAWFUL capacity to deal with such situations, and if there are ongoing issues that impact the local community's amenity then the police and the local government may be able to do something.

Currently this also applies to hooning.

Look I'm not "pro-hooning" I just don't like laws that are made without thought and this proposed law reeks of it.

[peterljohnson55]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

unless they take the door of and hit you with it or something lmao.

Too right, BHDOGS, and then the door would be confiscated as evidence! Too bad if it is the door to the can, and a fully optioned one at that.

[peterljohnson55]

Originally Posted by TE 220

How about a 1 strike law for chair sniffing to get the perverts out of politics...

TE 220, such a law would only work if there were evidential skid marks. That gets to the seat of the problem otherwise they wouldnt have a leg to sit on.

[STINKY NINJA]

True,a heap of noise alone may not lead to confiscation, just stink the place up

[TheZHLANE]

Originally Posted by peterljohnson55

That process of argument is a total absurdity.

Other than that my first sentence in response GhiaEB's comment deserves no other intelligent response.

Let's keep this real people and not choof-off on nonsensical tangents.

BTW, if some person is stupid enough to lend their car to some petrol-head doofus, family member or not, and it is subsequently confiscated on account of idiotic behaviour, then they should take it as a lesson learned the hard way.

Are we more concerned about cars and convenience or about people and their lives?

Am I right in thinking the majority of commentators on this thread
have little concern for people favouring instead their 'valued' possessions?

.

Lets say, your wife takes your car to the shops, the road is damp, her wheels spin a little bit, car gets confiscated. Would you be upset?

[TheZHLANE]

Originally Posted by peterljohnson55

TE 220, such a law would only work if there were evidential skid marks. That gets to the seat of the problem otherwise they wouldnt have a leg to sit on.

I was "charged" with causing excessive smoke and noise under the hoon laws, there was no tyre marks at the scene of the crime where i was charged.. so the ended up doing me for excessive noise, either way its the same fine.

[CAT600]

Idiots... ive voted Liberal all my life but Colin Barnett is placing re-election before common sence, its a direct angle to win the votes of Mums and Dads that have been swept up in the media constructed "hoon" epidemic that is sweeping our nation, killing hundreds so it would seem.

WA's road toll in the first 40 days of 2013 was TRIPLE last years, and thats with a massive crackdown on supposed hoon behaviour.

Really working hey... its good to see the system isolating the threat correctly and fixing the issue so successfully.

Idiots... the do-gooders that tune into ACA etc are driving this issue and will not be sated until our hobby no longer exists.

Daniel

[mcnews]

I am gobsmacked at the wowsers on here. Amazing. I wonder how many of the wowsers actually drive nice cars that are actually roadworthy if gone through with fine tooth comb, and are not actually driving heaps of crap.... And I still can't believe that people really swallow the crap that for a small offence you should forfeit a major asset. It is simply beyond me how anyone can think this fair and just.

[peterljohnson55]

Originally Posted by TheZHLANE

Lets say, your wife takes your car to the shops, the road is damp, her wheels spin a little bit, car gets confiscated. Would you be upset?

Oh stop bleating such nonsense, ZHLANE, and deal with the real reason why these laws are enacted.

If you think it is about catching grandma's in shopping centres then you really have lost the plot?

In future I wont even bother responding to such ridiculous senarios.

[mcnews]

The real reason these laws are enacted are to appease the imbeciles that believe they will actually do any good. And there is nothing preposterous in that example mentioned above. If the cop wants to do it he will be able to and if you are not financially able to fight it all the way in the courts you will have to bend over and take your medicine like a good boy... This will only lead to more police chases, more carnage and people dying in such cases, thus more death and destruction will be caused by them than cured by them. What are the chances you are going do a runner, if you know they will take your car.... What have you got to lose.....? If you can't see how obvious then you are beyond help.

[2011G6E]

Huh...I could have told people this sort of thing would happen. When they talked about bringing in "two strikes and you're out" type Hoon laws here in Queensland, and it was discussed on this forum, people were all "Oh, if you don't break the law you have nothing to worry about", and "It won't be enforced that strictly, come on"...and so forth.

Make it "One strike and you're out" and something as simple as "leaving a mark on the road" and you give police the scope to be true bastards on the road, with massive leeway to victimise people, far more than "normal" hoon laws would.

And don't say it won't happen...we all know, and even cops admit, that there are plenty of bad apples in the bunch who will use these laws as a form of harassment. You're not guilty? That's OK, you can have your day in court, but until then you don't have a car...

Make these sort of laws too strict and you create a huge problem for harassment and, yes, corruption in the police..."Oh, I might be able to impound your car...but I could be persuaded to look the other way...be a shame if this nice car was in the lockup for weeks waiting for you to try and get it back..."

The example of "your wife spinning the tyres on a wet road" is a good one...quite a few years back when the words "hoon" were starting to get thrown around, my wife did indeed take our car at the time...a VS Berlina...to Sugarland shopping center in Bundaberg on a rainy day, and came home saying she had got a warning from a cop after going around the little roundabout as you leave the center (if you've been there you'll know which one I mean) and gave the car a squirt as a ute coming from the other entrance to the roundabout didn't give way so she could avoid him. The rear broke traction and it stepped sideways. The cop coming the other way did a u-turn, pulled over my wife, and gave her a serve. He didn't threaten her with confiscation...that didn't exist then in those more sane days...but he did threaten her with a ticket for "failing to maintain adequate control of a vehicle"...so it can happen.