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15-09-2012, 08:34 PM | #31 | ||
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What engine would they put in it? An NA 5.0?
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15-09-2012, 08:43 PM | #32 | ||
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Special edition XR8 Sprint with the Boss 302 444hp engine please
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15-09-2012, 08:45 PM | #33 | |||
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It doesn't matter if every Commodore was a V8 ...... if Ford believe that they could turn a profit from having an XR8 ..... they would then invest the capital to do it. Circles and we just keep going around in them!!!! There were other reasons why the EcoBoost was engineered for the Falcon here ..... and it wasn't entirely for the sake of making sales but something very much more long term. Something that I am not going into in this thread as has nothing to do with the topic.
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15-09-2012, 09:19 PM | #34 | ||||
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????? Have we met before? Massive dejavu here.
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15-09-2012, 10:05 PM | #35 | ||
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Now that Ford control FPV there's no reason come 2014 they couldn't bring the XR8 back in. They could even do it as early as January.
If they could fit the intercooled Miami thats already been developed into the GT with say 351 or so kw, give the 335 to the GS and take the XR6 Turbo, add the bonnet buldge and 315 engine and price it say 5-7k cheaper than GS. I think its feasible, considering they no longer have the added expense of shipping cars to Broadmeadows to do final finishing, and I think there is enough things on the GS that can be deleted to bring the cost down ie. no stripes, no twin exhaust, no starter button and gauges and whatever else the GS gets over the XR's. Its a hell of a lot cheaper to use the 315 thats already been developed rather than go back to the Coyote like they were playing around with for an XR8 a year or 2 ago. They were trying to develop their own intake manifold to move the throttle body from the front to the side, apparently it didn't work too well either. |
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15-09-2012, 10:20 PM | #36 | ||
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Its probably been said over & over, with both the pros & cons but;
I personally feel that dropping the GS name & adding the XR8(S; for supercharged) would benefit sales. Utilizing the GS name only attracts ford fans & people who remember the name. The XR6T introduced new customers, I believe that if we give the XR8 the same "hot-tuner" persona it would achieve the same the I6T did. Whilst satisfying the demands for a cheap V8. But with large sedan sales are dwindling as it is, so it would be an "interesting" gamble by Ford. Just an opinion, as flawed as it may be. |
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15-09-2012, 10:22 PM | #37 | |||
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if they do as you say, it may cost them in GS and/or GT sales, but given they are now the same company, not competing as such, will it really matter?? i would say not. they were never going to consider it whilst FPV were selling GS's. whether this remains the same once the new situation takes over remains to be seen. |
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15-09-2012, 10:25 PM | #38 | |||
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15-09-2012, 10:26 PM | #39 | |||
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Wishful thinking I know. |
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15-09-2012, 10:34 PM | #40 | ||
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it would be priced according to their own lineup, not the competition. they wouldn't price it less than xr6t and i'd be very surprised if it was on par.
all speculation anyway. |
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15-09-2012, 10:38 PM | #41 | |||
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As for speculation, that seems to be the very topic of this thread No matter how hard it is discussed on AFF, it wont change what Ford decides (which im sure would be in concrete by now). Its all literally a matter of time. |
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15-09-2012, 10:58 PM | #42 | |||||
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And the beauty of this would be for me, a full 21% discount and not 14% like we get with FPV's at the moment, now that they are full Ford vehicles. God I hope so cause that will be my next ride. Low 40k supercharged XR8 sounds good to me. Quote:
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15-09-2012, 11:39 PM | #43 | ||
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My point wasn't exactly that they should brimg back the xr8, more they are losing a fair cgunk of business to holden due to the fact that there is a huge price gap between am entry level v8 commodore and falcon.
Yes the falcon v8 is better than the commodore 8, but $15-20,000 better? And to those saying about I didnt buy one when they were new... Well no, I like most 17 year olds could not afford one when they were new, but the person who I was talking about in the first post, he did own an ba v8 which he bought new untill he got his fg which he also bought new and again is in the position to buy another new v8, just not for the price ford is currently charging for one. Sorry for any typo's there, at work and posting from my phone
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15-09-2012, 11:52 PM | #44 | |||
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holden will always sell more v8's because the v6 has traditionally been rubbish and they don't have a hypo turbo 6 either. |
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16-09-2012, 12:04 AM | #45 | ||
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That may be so but there is at least one buyer that will most likely end up in a holden simply because ford dont have any 8s in the same price range and i'm sure he isn't the only one too
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16-09-2012, 12:22 AM | #46 | |||
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If he wants a V8 Ford he buys a GS or GT. If he can't afford one then he will have to settle for a lesser vehicle.......life is like that..... |
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16-09-2012, 12:29 AM | #47 | ||
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And that is what he is going to do, it has pushed him away from buying a ford and into a holden instead
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16-09-2012, 06:48 AM | #48 | ||
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I would hazard a guess that the 'holden/ford fence sitting' market category
for SS or XR8 V8 (or SSV/GS) sales is tiny. Aside from the issue of the end of the emissions life-cycle for the Boss engine, obviously Ford have not continued the XR8 because there is no money in it. Why re-engineer (possibly N/A 5.0?) and re-package for such a small market? The eco-boost 4 ain't selling that's for sure, and that market could be deemed a much larger opportunity!.... And that's another story, as we have read extensively here on the forums. I am probably in the category of "maybe one day, I'd like to buy a brand new XR8", but I never have. I also tend to think that a lot of the forum talk here regards the demise of the XR8 is just a form of lament that it looks like the very end of this V8 marque.... Geez, all Falcon sales numbers are sustaining heavy, heavy losses and perhaps the XR8 along with the Fairlane were the early casualties.
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16-09-2012, 06:54 AM | #49 | |||
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Here's my plan: 1) new GT - derived from 351 Kw S/C intercooled R Spec suspension - 75K 2) new GS - derived from superseded 335 Kw GT but with GS nose - $63K 3) a new XR8 - derived from superseded 315 GS, as a bargain basement $54K Such a re use of vehicles would allow a repositioning of the GT in line with the next HSV S/C GTS, the new GS would have it all over the R8 and the new XR8 would probably embarrass the Clubsport.. Believe me, Ford will need to do something like this if the FG II Hi Pos are to compete with VF HSVs for the expected 18 month haul until the 2014 Falcon arrives, the Fords will need to really gap the VFs in order to keep sales afloat - there's plenty of ex Ford V8 buyers in other vehicles that would probably return with the right products on sale..... These ideas are all about finding a way to provide +$50KFalcons to the HP market and give Ford the income it needs to maintain Falcon production in Australia, finding ways to boost $40K to $50K sales would also help. That may be an area where Ford better utilizes the I-6 Turbo in G and XR series rather than a V8... Last edited by jpd80; 16-09-2012 at 07:18 AM. |
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16-09-2012, 09:46 AM | #50 | ||
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Has the XR8 ever been any good anyways? It was junk when it was introduced in the E series cars, the XR6 was quicker because it was lighter and very close to the same power/torque output.
Not sure about AU though someone else can fill us in on that. But then when B series comes about, the XR6T is quicker than the XR8 again. Makes you wonder why you would bother with 8 cylinders when a turbo 6 blows it out of the water. It seems all the rage these days is small cars, SUVs and dual cab 4X4 utes anyways, so why bother with Falcon at all? Had the chance to locally produce the Focus too. |
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16-09-2012, 09:56 AM | #51 | |||
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There is too much "It is too hard, I am not good enough, YOU have to make allowances for ME" in the world already...... |
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16-09-2012, 09:59 AM | #52 | ||
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If he's leasing i'm pretty sure he'll find there is bugger all difference in cost between the GS and the SS. Through my lease provider, the GS is listed as $52,600 for an auto, and the SSV is listed at $52,000 for the auto...
So, a few grand difference (tops if you add some options) between the two when leasing... Hardly worth worrying about over the course of a lease! Edit: an auto SS is listed at 45k... So, there isn't a massive difference when leasing... Last edited by jimmyxr6t04; 16-09-2012 at 10:04 AM. |
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16-09-2012, 10:00 AM | #53 | ||
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jpd80... In that scinario, I think you just killed off the GS
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16-09-2012, 10:01 AM | #54 | |||
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why would any body want a v8... who needs large amounts of torque. who needs grunt. who needs to pull trailers & carry tools. who needs the glorious sound of 8 cylinders. who needs v8 super cars. who needs a SC 5L V8. few small exaples.... i guess none of this matters since then turbo 6 is quicker. |
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16-09-2012, 10:12 AM | #55 | |||
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This fits in the back of my Focus with the rear seats down: How many V8 Falcons sell a month compared to everything else? That's how many people need V8s. Its not 1970 anymore. |
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IIRC, ther was always some reason why the 5.4 wasn't good enough to buy new but an absolute bargain when it was second hand......
Maybe XR8 buyers are now basically in the second hand market...... Oh, in 2010 there was the big rumor that the next XR8 would be a supercharged, so people waited for an XR8 that never came... Maybe those people didn't want to pay $60,000 for basically the same thing an XR8 S/C presented as a GS...... People are funny like that, you gotta give the market what they want.... Last edited by jpd80; 16-09-2012 at 10:22 AM. |
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