Two killed Test driving Porsche In Brisbane

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by UNR8D

Jaws of life have that effect on cars, I doubt any of the photo's taken were prior to them using the equipment, so end result is not how it would have looked at point of accident.

*not taking away from the accident, just merely stating a fact.*

and I doubt anyone on here was a crash investigator at the site so how about leaving the comments until they are publicly known before armchair bashing.

Well said

[RedHotGT]

Originally Posted by EDfutura25

The last 2 pics make me angry. I know that they will take pics and post them of the car and that is fine as we all (well most people) want to see the damage. But to show the body being wheeled off covered or not is shocking to say the least. There is no need to post up those pics, think of the family and friends that may be looking at the pictures, the last thing they want to see is a body being wheeled off, all they can do is say "oh was that my dad's body"

I'm quite the opposite... In fact this might be the reality check that some people need... More so the younger hoons who think that they are 'invincible and bulletproof'...

Seeing someone carted off to the coroner is very hard to digest... moreso of course if you are related or know the deceased...

Sends a very clear message though... TAC take note... Next ad campaign...

What will you miss out on??

[SLO AU XR8]

[QUOTE=mickxr8]

Originally Posted by SLO AU XR8 especially when you are driving something like a 996 GT2, wet weather + a car that is known as the Widowmaker...[/QUOTE

jeez !. i bet the widows are going to love reading that.!.
i kind of hoped as per ^^ we would let the dust settle...

I was simply stating that I agreed with the statement that it is better to NOT let your excitement over rule any better judgement you have. The fact that in the motoring world, the 996 GT2, which is the car the two men were in, is commonly known as the Widowmaker doesn't help the situation. Until the official report has been released, there are nothing but assumptions as to how this accident happened.

Also, the Widowmaker comment was not meant to offend anyone, it was simply stating something that has been floating around in the press for a few years now.

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by UNR8D

Jaws of life have that effect on cars, I doubt any of the photo's taken were prior to them using the equipment, so end result is not how it would have looked at point of accident.

About the only difference is that the doors are gone and a lot of the roll cage is cut away, the roof was pretty much gone initially, especially on the passenger side. In fact, the after emergency services photos actually hide a lot of the damage, the shape of the car before the jaws of life was a more disturbing scene.

[DJL351]

Originally Posted by geckoGT

You are very right here and in the majority of my feelings I agree with you, no one should see that. The flip side of that coin is who knows, that photo may cause 5 people to be a bit more careful and it may save 5 lives. I just hope the family that do see those pics find their inner strength and see it that way.



That is correct, we could not gain enough access to commence resuscitation and his condition did not give us time to gain access. Unfortunately there was nothing we could do.


Speed was almost certainly a factor, as suggested by the damage and skid marks. We will have to wait for the result of the crash investigation to understand if it was driver error or mechanical failure. A loss of control like that does not make sense on a road like that, there were no major bends that would have caused that vehicle to lose control at the posted speed limit, even in the wet. There were other factors involved and I am not going to speculate what they were, although I have some ideas.

Tonight I will be climbing into bed after 14 hours at work with memories of that scene, it was easily the worst fatal crash I have attended. My closing thoughts tonight are ones of sorrow and empathy for the families, friends and work mates of those that were lost today. I also extend my best wishes to the truck driver and hope that one day (soon) he manages to find a way to deal with the psychological trauma of what he saw today. Finally, my best wishes to the other motorists, residents and pedestrians that witnessed it or viewed the uncensored scene, as well as all the emergency services workers that are now carrying another 2 ghosts around with them.

P.S. Drive safe everyone and live well.

Well written as always.
All the Emergency teams deserve more credit and respect for their efforts - as you have pointed out clearly in a couple of threads now,
these images are burnt in to their brains for a long time (forever in most cases)

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by DJL351

these images are burnt in to their brains for a long time (forever in most cases)

That is a part of what I refer to when I use the phrase "carrying ghosts". Tori knows straight away when I come home and I have been to a nasty one, she knows there is another ghost and often picks it in my voice on the phone. Last night was the first time in ages I actually had a bit of a cry and I can feel the tears forming in my eyes typing this now.

Having said that, as hard as it is, we do become desensitised to it. It is the pedestrians, motorists and neighbours etc that I feel for. These a people that are forgotten about when it come to critical incident management support. I always try to remember to ask if they are ok, not much but at least if we ask they may realise we care about them too.

[FPV70]

I do also say it's a sad loss of life.

One thing that does annoy me though is this Comment

Both were highly experienced and responsible drivers.

Well, thats all good and well on the track but to be doing that in a place like they were, If it were someone in a family car with family onboard, would have been a different story.

Maybe Experienced but Not responsible.

My 2c

[Stattic]

Originally Posted by EDfutura25

The last 2 pics make me angry. I know that they will take pics and post them of the car and that is fine as we all (well most people) want to see the damage. But to show the body being wheeled off covered or not is shocking to say the least. There is no need to post up those pics, think of the family and friends that may be looking at the pictures, the last thing they want to see is a body being wheeled off, all they can do is say "oh was that my dad's body"

completely agree, that was really disrespectful and was pretty sickening to see

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by FPV70

I do also say it's a sad loss of life.

One thing that does annoy me though is this Comment

Both were highly experienced and responsible drivers.

Well, thats all good and well on the track but to be doing that in a place like they were, If it were someone in a family car with family onboard, would have been a different story.

Maybe Experienced but Not responsible.

My 2c

Having been there, I suspect there is more to it and we need to wait for the investigation. I really get his feeling that not all is not the way it seems in this case.

[NC1183]

My condolences to the families of the victims, thoughts with the driver of the truck and the EMS personnel and any witnesses/members of public who offered assistance

Originally Posted by geckoGT

Having been there, I suspect there is more to it and we need to wait for the investigation. I really get his feeling that not all is not the way it seems in this case.

I wasn't there but from the article, your responses Gecko and the pics, i thinking the same way, that something weird/obscure/completely unexpected/etc has happened, possibly the reason the long-term customer took it there in first place.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by geckoGT

For gods sake, no time for jokes here, at least let the dust settle!

Not a joke.

For anyone that cares, that was a quote given to me from an SES
volunteer who had seen far too many car crashes with oncoming trucks.

My apologies if that short hand quote offended any of you or worse, victims families.
Those of you that know me know that I don't joke about this stuff,
I ask the rest of you to give me the benefit of the doubt and let's move on...

[SLO AU XR8]

Originally Posted by NC1183

My condolences to the families of the victims, thoughts with the driver of the truck and the EMS personnel and any witnesses/members of public who offered assistance







I wasn't there but from the article, your responses Gecko and the pics, i thinking the same way, that something weird/obscure/completely unexpected/etc has happened, possibly the reason the long-term customer took it there in first place.

I heard from a very good source that they were transporting the car to another part of Fulcrum to make some replacement suspension parts....

[dusty86]

lost for words a bit with I think gecko's input into this accident, really brings another dimension to it. My sister in laws father works for the SES and he has some very sobering stories.
RIP to those involved and condolences to the victims families and everyone who is involved

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by geckoGT

That is a part of what I refer to when I use the phrase "carrying ghosts". Tori knows straight away when I come home and I have been to a nasty one, she knows there is another ghost and often picks it in my voice on the phone. Last night was the first time in ages I actually had a bit of a cry and I can feel the tears forming in my eyes typing this now.

Having said that, as hard as it is, we do become desensitised to it. It is the pedestrians, motorists and neighbours etc that I feel for. These a people that are forgotten about when it come to critical incident management support. I always try to remember to ask if they are ok, not much but at least if we ask they may realise we care about them too.

thats why your in the job geckoGT the world needs more people like you and only people such as you can do it . hold your head high chum.
condolences to all touched by this .

[dannyhilton]

Originally Posted by Stefan

They might just knock some sense into someone seeing them..... "we are not 10 foot tall and bullet proof"

Nope. They won't. Young people these days see too much, look at the news now compared to 20 years ago. I'm 21 so I may be generalising a bit, as this hits a few chords with me but the majority I'm sure look at this then forget. We're desensitised, so things like this shock us, then five minutes later we go back to playing some killing game and laugh. I'm not saying this is the right thing, but it's the truth. Very sad, my deepest condolences to the family.

[Captain Stubing]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Not a joke.

For anyone that cares, that was a quote given to me from an SES
volunteer who had seen far too many car crashes with oncoming trucks.

My apologies if that short hand quote offended any of you or worse, victims families.
Those of you that know me know that I don't joke about this stuff,
I ask the rest of you to give me the benefit of the doubt and let's move on...

A coping mechanism used by many emergency services personnel is the 'black humour' jokes. It helps many cope with the graphic sights that are outlayed in front of them.

I actually formulated a lecture for Qld Paramedics, and use a fair bit of 'black humour' when I'm talking about death to trainee paramedics.

[vegabass]

Gecko, you should (and I know you do) hold your head high as you are regarded as one of the best paramedics in the state. It only takes a recent decision to support it. (gecko knows what Im talking about) If there was any chance at all, you would have given it to them both.

But people like Gecko do it for a reason and its completely selfless. I know every time my pager went off I was given the responsibility of life. You treat patients or the deceased with the up-most respect and dignity. It gives us a good feeling of knowing we have done something truly amazing that majority of the population well never understand, we don't seek thanks as the self satisfaction of doing our best to make a difference is enough. I find myself talking to patients even when I'm doing CPR compressions, and if the patient unfortunately doesn't make it I still continue to talk and even say goodbye when I transport and place in the "butterfly room".

The youth of today isn't desensitised as much as we think, however its the "it wont happen to me" mentality that effects their attitude.

Tragic loss of life, may the family and friends celebrate their life.

[vegabass]

Originally Posted by swanny

A coping mechanism used by many emergency services personnel is the 'black humour' jokes. It helps many cope with the graphic sights that are outlayed in front of them.

I actually formulated a lecture for Qld Paramedics, and use a fair bit of 'black humour' when I'm talking about death to trainee paramedics.

As disrespectful as that may sound to everyone, it is a VERY VERY important part of debriefing and enabling these professionals to wake up the next day, get into their overalls, and get back into that ambulance.

[gocruzin]

Originally Posted by geckoGT

That is a part of what I refer to when I use the phrase "carrying ghosts". Tori knows straight away when I come home and I have been to a nasty one, she knows there is another ghost and often picks it in my voice on the phone. Last night was the first time in ages I actually had a bit of a cry and I can feel the tears forming in my eyes typing this now.

Having said that, as hard as it is, we do become desensitised to it. It is the pedestrians, motorists and neighbours etc that I feel for. These a people that are forgotten about when it come to critical incident management support. I always try to remember to ask if they are ok, not much but at least if we ask they may realise we care about them too.

I don't know how you do your job Gecko, I couldn't cope with all the tragedy you experience it would drive me to drink.
Much respect!

[Mickxr8]

Quote:
Originally Posted by mickxr8
[QUOTE=SLO AU XR8 especially when you are driving something like a 996 GT2, wet weather + a car that is known as the Widowmaker...

jeez !. i bet the widows are going to love reading that.!.
i kind of hoped as per ^^ we would let the dust settle...[/QUOTE]

I was simply stating that I agreed with the statement that it is better to NOT let your excitement over rule any better judgement you have. The fact that in the motoring world, the 996 GT2, which is the car the two men were in, is commonly known as the Widowmaker doesn't help the situation. Until the official report has been released, there are nothing but assumptions as to how this accident happened.

Also, the Widowmaker comment was not meant to offend anyone, it was simply stating something that has been floating around in the press for a few years now.


sorry SLO AU XR8.
went off a bit half c*ocked last night but this stuff touched a raw nerve.
going to funerals is not fun....

all i ask is wait till the investigation is done (then draw an opinion).
let the familys grieve in peace.

[ED Classic]

Originally Posted by loftie

I'm quite the opposite... In fact this might be the reality check that some people need... More so the younger hoons who think that they are 'invincible and bulletproof'...

Seeing someone carted off to the coroner is very hard to digest... moreso of course if you are related or know the deceased...

Why do realitives need to see this? They are probly 100 times more mature and better driver than you.....Very very very poor form showing those pics

[uranium_death]

Saw the first couple of pictures and uttered nothing but the 'F word" a couple of times...

Condolences to all families, and I hope the truckie is okay because he'd be feeling pretty bad too...

[SLO AU XR8]

[QUOTE=mickxr8]Quote:
Originally Posted by mickxr8

Originally Posted by SLO AU XR8 especially when you are driving something like a 996 GT2, wet weather + a car that is known as the Widowmaker...

jeez !. i bet the widows are going to love reading that.!.
i kind of hoped as per ^^ we would let the dust settle...[/QUOTE

I was simply stating that I agreed with the statement that it is better to NOT let your excitement over rule any better judgement you have. The fact that in the motoring world, the 996 GT2, which is the car the two men were in, is commonly known as the Widowmaker doesn't help the situation. Until the official report has been released, there are nothing but assumptions as to how this accident happened.

Also, the Widowmaker comment was not meant to offend anyone, it was simply stating something that has been floating around in the press for a few years now.


sorry SLO AU XR8.
went off a bit half c*ocked last night but this stuff touched a raw nerve.
going to funerals is not fun....

all i ask is wait till the investigation is done (then draw an opinion).
let the familys grieve in peace.

Mate, I agree. The only way the true cause of this accident will be determined is by an investigation. IMHO the only assumption that can be made is that the weather contributed.

[Spudz27]

Originally Posted by vegabass

As disrespectful as that may sound to everyone, it is a VERY VERY important part of debriefing and enabling these professionals to wake up the next day, get into their overalls, and get back into that ambulance.

I was shocked when I first joined St Johns. Listening to some of the things said, after having performed an unsuccessful CPR and the longer I have done my work, I realize just how important having humor, even about death, can be.

[Melz]

Normally we see those crash photos, and it doesn't affect me...yet tonight I have tears for two men I never met, their families who have nothing but memories, and those who had to deal with the aftermath.

RIP

[RedHotGT]

Originally Posted by ED Classic

Why do realitives need to see this? They are probly 100 times more mature and better driver than you.....Very very very poor form showing those pics

Out of curiosity, why would the relatives be browsing photos of the crash that they lost their relatives on ninemsn??

I'm not suggesting we send the relatives the link, but obviously the news websites are the new way that rubber-necks that weren't on the scene can see what has happened....

So thanks for the personal attack on my driving skills... obviously my literary comments warranted it... (???)

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by loftie

Out of curiosity, why would the relatives be browsing photos of the crash that they lost their relatives on ninemsn??

The simple fact is they often do, for reasons that are not understood by us but probably make sense to them. I think you will probably find a lot of family look at these articles trying to find answers to questions they don't understand regarding the incident.

[RedHotGT]

Originally Posted by geckoGT

The simple fact is they often do, for reasons that are not understood by us but probably make sense to them. I think you will probably find a lot of family look at these articles trying to find answers to questions they don't understand regarding the incident.

You know if anyone else had have written that response... I probably would have responded differently...

But, as you have knowledge, 1st hand experience, and are at the cold-face of these type of incidents... I will take that on board and be thankful that I've never lost anyone to a road accident (and hope that I never do).

Thanks, GeckoGT.

[Sam_Boss260]

Originally Posted by geckoGT

The simple fact is they often do, for reasons that are not understood by us but probably make sense to them. I think you will probably find a lot of family look at these articles trying to find answers to questions they don't understand regarding the incident.

Having lost a best mate 19 years ago to a road crash, I can understand that comment Gecko. For days we (all his mates) were visiting the accident scene, going to where the wreck was stored and trying to sneak a peak. And even to this day, I have a newspaper article with the picture of the car wreck. All just to try and come up with answers or an explanation, or maybe it was just part of the grieving process... dunno.

Sorry to get off topic. RIP to those who lost their lives, and probably just doing their job.

And thoughts go out to the truck driver.

And a final comment to Gecko.... Respect is all that I can say to you mate.

Sam

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by Sam_Boss260

Having lost a best mate 19 years ago to a road crash, I can understand that comment Gecko. For days we (all his mates) were visiting the accident scene, going to where the wreck was stored and trying to sneak a peak. And even to this day, I have a newspaper article with the picture of the car wreck. All just to try and come up with answers or an explanation, or maybe it was just part of the grieving process... dunno.

Sorry to get off topic. RIP to those who lost their lives, and probably just doing their job.

And thoughts go out to the truck driver.

Sam

Very well said and you have probably explained what I was trying to say better than I have. I know when I lost 5 work mates in a truck accident in malaysia (whilst I was in the Army) I must have read every article on it. You are probably right, it is part of the processing and grieving that you must go through before you can put it behind you.

Originally Posted by vegabass

Gecko, you should (and I know you do) hold your head high as you are regarded as one of the best paramedics in the state. It only takes a recent decision to support it. (gecko knows what Im talking about) If there was any chance at all, you would have given it to them both.

Thanks for your nice comments, it is appreciated but probably not warranted. I am no way one of the best around, I can think of a long list of guys and girls that are better, I think of myself a just a good safe operator.

Regarding me being able to help the victims. At this scene I was the station officer in charge of QAS services, so I had no clinical input. I can tell you the advanced care paramedics (two of them), Intensive care paramedics (3 of them) and the trauma specialist doctor that we had on scene are all first rate and some of the finest you will find in the world. I see all those that turned up as the A team of emergency medical care and I could not think of a better mob to treat me if I was in trouble.

I appreciate all the positive comments about what we do, as would my colleagues. But this thread is not about us, it is about those that are more directly affected by this tragedy, so lets keep the focus on these deserving people.

I sometimes wonder if we all feel a little more connected to this as Fulcrum are in many ways a member of our own Ford loving community and in a way we have lost some of our friends in this. Many of us have had work done by these guys and our forum has benefited from their skills, knowledge and commitment on many occasions. Guess it always stings more when it is a bit closer to home.