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11-01-2009, 05:21 PM | #31 | ||
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It's about time that pedestrians were made to take responsibility for crossing roads. It's not rocket science that it is easier to stop walking than it is to stop a car. How they can make that pedestrians have right of way on a road that was built for cars is beyond me. I have had the misfortune of hitting a pedestrian not once but on 2 occasions and on both occasions the pedestrian was at fault. The first time I had just turned a corner and he walked straight off the gutter in front of me, I was only doing 20-25k's so he was lucky. But the mitogating thing against him was that he had been drinking and was walking around with a beer when the accident occured. The second time was at 3.30am on the M4 freeway at homebush and he tried to run across the freeway, he just came out of the bushes like a rabbit, but not as fast. I was driving a truck at the time so there is no need to eleberate on the outcome. But he had a blood alcohol reading of .275 so he didn't even have a clue what he was doing I'd say. So on the first occasion my speed was under what they are suggesting then on the second time even if I was doing 20k's slower it wouldn't have made a difference anyhow. So when Harrold Scruby and all his other deadbeat friends start carrying on about lowering speed limits on roads because of pedestrians it really gets my back up. I wish they would just wake up and remember what the roads were originally built for CARS. I don't have a problem with the school zones especially primary school as you just never know what a young child is going to do. We do have to share with pedestrians I know, but for crying out loud make them more responsible. Sorry about the rant, but i just get so infuriated with the clowns : |
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11-01-2009, 05:29 PM | #32 | |||
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There are eight children under eight years old in my court including my two. The other two families have one petrol pewee motor bike and 5 scooters and go carts that are electric. The parents actually encourage their children to ride around the court as the park we have at the end is too bumpy. It's not a matter of slowing down it's a matter of backing out into a court that can have as many as 6 kids riding driving around. It annoys the crap out of me as trying to teach my kids road sense is quite difficult when they constantly see what the neighbors do. Driving "accordingly" = an obstacle course many days. |
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11-01-2009, 05:30 PM | #33 | ||||
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I got no problems with school zones and shopping areas, but anywhere else is a bit stupid.
On the hitting pedestrians front, my older cousin hit one about 2 years ago, some drunk woman walked in front of her Astra and she hit her at about 40km/h, there was a big dint in the windscreen and some hair still stuck in it. The woman was ****ed out of her brain at the time when she walked out on the road.
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11-01-2009, 05:40 PM | #34 | ||||
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11-01-2009, 05:47 PM | #35 | ||
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I'll add a few reports (links) of deaths that I have found in 2007 where a pedestrian and vehicle meet.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2008/10/22/2398230.htm http://www.theage.com.au/news/nation...724687608.html http://www.mynrma.com.au/cps/rde/xbc..._HUB_april.pdf (page 3) http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...07/2296037.htm Ok the road deaths seem mainly attributed to drinking, and in less cases carelessness.
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11-01-2009, 05:47 PM | #36 | ||
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The way the governments are going we will be back in the days when a bloke walked in front of every car horseless carriage with a red flag............back to the 1800's we go!!!
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11-01-2009, 05:49 PM | #37 | |||
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Ok I think that the third link I posted should be displayed. As it is a 10 year study conducted by the NRMA.
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If you wanna read it yourself go to page 3 http://www.mynrma.com.au/cps/rde/xb...8_HUB_april.pdf
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11-01-2009, 05:54 PM | #38 | ||
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Maybe they should look at the part pedestrians play. It's not like people are pushing them out onto the road or the cars are going onto the footpath to get them.
I almost made that number 60 fatalities this year when some stupid with a death wish ran out in front of me in peak hour traffic. I actually clipped his pants. I was doing 60km/h when he sprinted across the road metres from a pedestrian crossing. If I hadn't been watching him out of the corner of my eye I can guarantee you he would be dead or seriously injured.
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11-01-2009, 05:56 PM | #39 | ||
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Effectively what they're suggesting is they concede they can't control the "idiot factor" in some pedestrians so they'll just slow the cars down to minimize the "inevitable" impact....
As far as courts go they have the propensity to lull some parents into a false sense of security and kids tend to do things on the road that they wouldnt do on a through road.. reversing cars and kids chasing balls or riding low slung bikes are a big problem...
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11-01-2009, 06:03 PM | #40 | ||
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I remember this Claes Tingvall being on the news/current affairs programs a few years ago playing pretty much the same line.
I guess next thing after this reduction in speed limits, we'll all be pushing our cars around (added incentive for buying a small car).
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11-01-2009, 06:19 PM | #41 | ||||
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11-01-2009, 06:22 PM | #42 | |||
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11-01-2009, 06:42 PM | #43 | ||
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I witnessed a young mum push a pram out onto Dandy-Frankston Rd today walking against a red walk signal and nearly got hit. The driver needed new underwear afterwards and so did the young mum.
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11-01-2009, 07:08 PM | #44 | |||
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No pun intended, but it is sobering reading. NB I drive / ride past a 24hr club on the way to work and always slow for the same reason. Drunks are unpredictable. I don't want to 'take one out' on my motorbike, even at the posted 50kmh.
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11-01-2009, 07:10 PM | #45 | |||
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And 4Vman... yes, maintaining speed has always been a requirement of driving, the difference now? 1. Historically, it's been pretty much a 'go with the flow' - sure, you may be 5-10% over the speed limit, but it wasn't a big deal. The boys and girls in blue generally wouldn't ping you, unless you were being stupid. Now we have the silent sentinels, set to stupidly low tolerances. 1. "ZOMG SPEED KILLS!" has been drummed into everyone's mind... you and I and others may be able to maintain speed within a tight tolerance without staring at the speedo, but many clearly cannot. Combine #1 & #2 and the driving environment has changed - for the worse, imho. The logic is flawed, and yet they keep persisting... we've lowered speed limits, yet the toll has risen - well then, the obviously conclusion - we need to lower the limits more! : |
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11-01-2009, 07:13 PM | #46 | ||
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30 yay! can't wait till the freeway is 10km/h
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11-01-2009, 07:25 PM | #47 | ||
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I have to make a few more comments:
40km/h on an arterial road? 'Melbourne University health expert Rob Moodie said a reduction in speed limits would lead to more people taking up walking and cycling.' Oh yeah... that's realistic. It takes me 45 minutes to an hour to drive to work, and the majority of that is on roads with limits of 80-100km/h. Walking to work. Now why didn't I think of that? : FFS. Oslo, Sweden is a city of 454 square kilometres, 242 square kilometres of which is forest. Melbourne, Victoria is a city of 8,806 square kilometres. Yep.. we really want to model ourselves on Sweden, because the geography is so similar. |
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11-01-2009, 07:36 PM | #48 | ||
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This is just a joke! Travel time is going to go through the roof!
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11-01-2009, 08:54 PM | #50 | ||
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Well this is just ridiculous, honestly how simple is it, a road is for vehicles, (cars, motorcycles, trucks and the like) and a footpath/ sidewalk is for the pedestrians. Now if I were to drive my XR6 onto the footpath I would most likely be thrown in jail. Yet when a pedestrian drunkenly stumbles in front of me on the ROAD, I'm the one at fault. You just can't win when driving.
Why is it that the Australian governments (federal and state) are so scared of using a little bit of common sense? It's about time we had a revue of our local laws regarding pedestrian/ vehicle contact, I understand that when people are drunk their behaviour can be erratic, but why punish the innocent driver?
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11-01-2009, 09:01 PM | #51 | ||
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Here's a conspiracy theory for you, i reakon the insurance companies are driving some of these pushes... TAC/3rd party and civil claims cost them billions...
Australia is rapidly catching the US system of litigate at any opportunity..
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11-01-2009, 09:07 PM | #52 | |||
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11-01-2009, 09:18 PM | #53 | ||
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Stop whinging and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
These academic drop kicks do not have any special powers. You can lobby your MP just as much as they can. Join the party. Then you can actually vote. According to the BBS AFF has over 46000 members. That is more than the total membership of the Labor, Liberal & National parties combined. If we all joined then WE would control ALL state and federal road rules.....that it how it works. Unfortunately the majority of AFF members prefer to whinge and do nothing because that is easy so we are probably stuffed..... |
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11-01-2009, 10:10 PM | #54 | |||
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Here in Canberra, I'm very happy with the way our roads are going. I basically don't even have to look at my speedo when I drive. Maybe one little glance and that's it. But its far more tight in Vic and understandable that one would pay more attention to their speedo. And if a police officer pulled me over for running over a person, there would be a very strong chance that the pedestrian was in fault, so I would need no excuse. |
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11-01-2009, 10:25 PM | #57 | ||
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the speed limit was changed to 50km/h in built up areas because of one key point
IT WAS PROVEN THAT IF YOU NOTICED SOMEONE JUMP OUT ONTO THE ROAD AT 50KH/H YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO STOP IN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME therefore to lower speed limits further is the states admission that the pedestrians are the ones acting unsafely. the problem with pedestrians, and im sure they have all been said numerous times in this thread is walking out from behind trees or from the front of cars, people getting off buses and crossing the road straight away from in front of the bus, crud like that sometimes you just can not blame the driver no matter what speed they are travelling |
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11-01-2009, 11:18 PM | #58 | ||
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it will be funny when cyclists are getting booked for speeding. Who are these people can we vote to send them to island or somthing and stop stuffing up our country.
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11-01-2009, 11:24 PM | #59 | ||
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There are so many things wrong with this article...
I'll save the government (who funds much of the Monash centre's research) a few million dollars, and give them the results of their three year study: The optimal impact speed for reducing injuries and fatalities is.... 0. I'm a genius. |
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