Neg Driving Fine - NSW - Page 2

Bucknaked · 02-08-2007, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by b2tf

Mate with the spiel at the top of your post do you really think anybody would bother giving you input? Id be happy to give you some advice re the neg driving fine but first up lose the attitude.

All he is doing is telling people that they need not worry about getting on their high horses and preaching to him about wearing the fine. He has clearly stated in another thread how the accident happened. I see nothing wrong with his post.

photn · 02-08-2007, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by blk_frmnt

As brilliant as this suggestion is, it's impossible to know for absolute certainty if the speed was the correct speed until you're out of the corner. I know what it's like, I came dangerously close myself to a serious accident when I rounded a corner in drizzle, WELL below the limit, at a speed I considered safe. Tyres were near-new, but the rear just slid out (foot off accelerator). Luckily I corrected it. Lots of things affect accidents, not just the drivers.

Now, where the hell are the pics..?

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...5&page=1&pp=25

or for those too laze lol

Scott · 02-08-2007, 06:09 PM

You were obviously driving too fast for your ability. Acco's happen, no one was hurt so "meh" re the crash. Penalties are discretionary from the cops - they obviously thought you needed one. Looking at the pics, the road and your account, I agree with them. You need to cop this one sweet IMO.

photn · 02-08-2007, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GTP006

You were obviously driving too fast for your ability. Acco's happen, no one was hurt so "meh" re the crash. Penalties are discretionary from the cops - they obviously thought you needed one. Looking at the pics, the road and your account, I agree with them. You need to cop this one sweet IMO.

Fair enough. thats the answer im looking for. in a sense. a respectable answer GTP006. thank you for your input.

Unco · 02-08-2007, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by photn

Now i know i should expect the bogans to go wear the fine blah blah blah.

just curious, who are the bogans around here?

blk_frmnt · 02-08-2007, 06:45 PM

HOLY CRAP! That was more serious than I had pictured in my mind...

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Originally Posted by Unco

just curious, who are the bogans around here?

And come on, it's a car forum, there must be plenty...

3vXT · 02-08-2007, 07:24 PM

Its already been said but i think any at fault driver on a public road will get a neg driving fine (at the very least) after an accident, especially on as serious as that.

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Originally Posted by photn

You still have RWD! FWD will always win over Rear wheel drive in corners no matter what! given that both cases are the same ie power to weight and road conditions..

sorry couldn't help it

glad no one was hurt.

fangq · 02-08-2007, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mechan1k

They don't have to give it to you on the spot ... I received one in the mail 2 weeks after the accident I had in 2000 ... you get that ... was a 2-car accident.

Was a similar accident to you .. although i didn't roll it ... FWD ... on a tight bend at slower speeds on Regent St Sydney (near the LPG taxi servo) ... a notorious corner ... cop told me they always attend accidents on that bend during rain ... it was a given.

I know it was my fault ... boy it was a surprise though how quick the car spun though (even at just under 40km/h) ... once the rear let go it was all over.

My bad ... I had to wear it.

Here's a handy hint. Lots of cars spill fuel onto the road surface around servos. We have a classic on ramp at Beerburrum where trucks dump diesel whilst negotiating a tight right hander before the straight. I've had the XR6T do the rear end shuffle even when being very careful during wet conditions.
Steve

S3SR · 02-08-2007, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by photn

My air freshner is A OK..

my ambi pur (the really thick glass ones) split in two in my little prang...might also explain me blacking out

wish mine did what yours did...then they probably would have written it off

anyways hope your alright

5tumpy · 02-08-2007, 08:50 PM

Did you crash at the S bends on just outside of silverdale on the camden side? If you did mate, it's no wonder you got a neg driving charge. The way most young guys drive through there they would have assumed you were flogging it.

Joe and the guys at Narellan Smash are awesome panel beaters, but that looks fooked to me mate. If I was you, I'd be grateful to have walked away, but you want to get off the charge, doorknock the houses just back from the bend and see if there were any witnesses. It's your only hope...

GT-E · 02-08-2007, 08:54 PM

If you say you sneezed, you get off a neg driving charge.
It is impossible to predict and your eyes close.

5tumpy · 02-08-2007, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DOC

the back came out and for it to fish tail it tells me you must have over corrected big time ( several times ) ( as i still am puzzled how you fishtail a FWD , but think you mean it was the effect caused by over correcting several times )

I did it as a 17 year old kid in a Hyundai Excel... Went around a corner that it was recomended to be taken at 35 at at least 70... Panicked, jumped on the brakes, over corrected... Thank god no one was coming the other way...

bingoTE50 · 02-08-2007, 09:21 PM

looks like to me you were going to quick for the conditions. Understeer city ...
But you are right lack of experience on you behalf , buddy in QLD ,there would be some people that have not driven in the rain as yet !! Bloody drought!
I have driven a new fiesta and they handle excellent , the conditions caught you out in my opinion . But you are the only one that can judge. The coppers have to act if called.
You would be hard pressed to "get off" in my opinion. Good luck anyhow .

Yellow_Festiva · 02-08-2007, 09:39 PM

How will the insurance payout be effected if it is Neg driving? Will they void the claim? just curious...

photn · 02-08-2007, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 5tumpy

Did you crash at the S bends on just outside of silverdale on the camden side? If you did mate, it's no wonder you got a neg driving charge. The way most young guys drive through there they would have assumed you were flogging it.

Joe and the guys at Narellan Smash are awesome panel beaters, but that looks fooked to me mate. If I was you, I'd be grateful to have walked away, but you want to get off the charge, doorknock the houses just back from the bend and see if there were any witnesses. It's your only hope...

umm it was on the camden side of Silver dale. but i dont know ware the S bends are. it happened as the road was straightening up. ie i could see the posted 60 sign down the road

bingoTE50, i didnt experience any understeer. the front had full grip.

MRJUCY · 02-08-2007, 09:58 PM

Firstly glad to see you're ok & you didn't take anyone else out with you.

Well the accident comes down to poor driving & lack of proper training, skills, experience etc as it's a pretty standard FWD trait to oversteer under brakes & that's basically what the fine is for as if the police go to accident they'll automatically fine the person at fault & that's the easiest coverall to hand out.

You can try writing in as it's your first offense you can often get away with a warning.

PS Were your rear tyres on backwards judging by the pattern in the pic if they're directional it looks like they would be.

02-08-2007, 10:15 PM

This corner?

http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&h...&t=h&z=15&om=1

photn · 02-08-2007, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MRJUCY

Firstly glad to see you're ok & you didn't take anyone else out with you.

Well the accident comes down to poor driving & lack of proper training, skills, experience etc as it's a pretty standard FWD trait to oversteer under brakes & that's basically what the fine is for as if the police go to accident they'll automatically fine the person at fault & that's the easiest coverall to hand out.

You can try writing in as it's your first offense you can often get away with a warning.

PS Were your rear tyres on backwards judging by the pattern in the pic if they're directional it looks like they would be.

Thats the same Question i asked. but i couldnt tell. i got ford to put them on and rotate them.

photn · 02-08-2007, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackLS

This corner?

http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&h...&t=h&z=15&om=1

i lost it on that corner just past the house.

http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&h...,0.015535&z=17

02-08-2007, 10:30 PM

You can see the corner slightly tighten as you go around it.

HLC · 02-08-2007, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by photn

lol this looks bad with all these fines comming out of the works.

Now before any1 gets all worked up and all that.

i was driving normally and not doing anything wrong.

i came around the corner doing less than the speed sign. and my back end got a little twitchy/light

i took my foot off the accelerator and applied the brakes softly. and as soon as i did the back end slid out and i hit the embankment and the car rolled. It was drizzliing for about 10 min b4 hand as well. and yes i took the rain into consideration while driving.

Now no one was injured. ive only got a sore shoulder. but thats its, no one else was involved, luckily.

Now i know i should expect the bogans to go wear the fine blah blah blah.

the matter of the fact is i was issued a Negligent Driving fine. i am a tad bit confused as to why i am beeing fined for something that ultimately comes down to lack of experiece.

The police did not put a reason on the Fine as to why they where issuing it.

Now ive got a perfect record no infringments for speeding or anything of the like.

its 330 and 3 demerit points. what should i do. should i fight the charge as i know i wasnt doing anything wrong or what.

id really like to know the reason as to what the charge is for. But surely they cant issue a fine for no reason?

ALL input welcome!

when i crashed and wrote off my ED at uni on my own accord, i got slammed for Neg Driving. nothign i could do about it.

just seems to be the standard charge these days. its been my only infringement to date.

makes the coppers showing up "worthwhile" i spose

5tumpy · 02-08-2007, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by photn

umm it was on the camden side of Silver dale. but i dont know ware the S bends are. it happened as the road was straightening up. ie i could see the posted 60 sign down the road

bingoTE50, i didnt experience any understeer. the front had full grip.

On the map below your post... You'll see a tight hand bend, then a slightly less tight left hand bend.... That's what me and my mates have always called the S bends... Almost every 2nd week my mates would be talking about some bloke who had wrapped their car around a pole there.

photn · 02-08-2007, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 5tumpy

On the map below your post... You'll see a tight hand bend, then a slightly less tight left hand bend.... That's what me and my mates have always called the S bends... Almost every 2nd week my mates would be talking about some bloke who had wrapped their car around a pole there.

ahh kk then. well then it was there. though i had come out of the corner and the rear slid out just at the very end of the corner.

5tumpy · 02-08-2007, 11:20 PM

Good to hear you walked away mate... Others haven't been so lucky!

I'd say that's why the coppers have fined ya, on that corner, the hoons go nuts..... NSW police are big on sending messages out to young people... From what I've seen lately, you're lucky they didn't try to confiscate your car too! :P

Good luck with the fine mate, and I hope the insurance company are nice to you, looked like a very nice car!

Falc'man · 03-08-2007, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by 5tumpy

Good to hear you walked away mate... Others haven't been so lucky!

I'd say that's why the coppers have fined ya, on that corner, the hoons go nuts..... NSW police are big on sending messages out to young people... From what I've seen lately, you're lucky they didn't try to confiscate your car too! :P

Good luck with the fine mate, and I hope the insurance company are nice to you, looked like a very nice car!

Are you kidding, it still looks good even after rolling hehe.

Glad you're ok mate. Like 5tumpy and others have said, you're lucky.

As for the fine, exact same thing happened to me 12 years ago after a head-on collision in the V6 Capri. Perfectly an error of judgement by me.

The officer was nice enough to come to my bedside at the hospital and said... "Yeah, all the witnesses say you were driving normally and you weren't speeding or anything, but I have to give you a neg driving ticket." Reason? I can't remember that far back but it was to the effect of it being a rather big accident....

The funny thing was, I was ok about that accident and was relieved in some way. Purely because that morning I was doing ridiculous speeds on the way to work... all I'm saying is, it could've been alot worse and I got away without seriously injuring myself - and the other driver seemed to be ok thankfully.

We live and we learn.

sexr6tasy · 03-08-2007, 12:34 AM

Lmao what a crock of shite if somebody's doing the legal thing and an accident happens and you crash even tho its not your fault your a negligent driver lmao what an absolute crock of crap i spose if a cop crashes his car during a chase thats the first fine he'll be hit with my it makes me want to be sick into my own scorn. How pathetic of the government

3vXT · 03-08-2007, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by sexr6tasy

Lmao what a crock of shite if somebody's doing the legal thing and an accident happens and you crash even tho its not your fault your a negligent driver lmao what an absolute crock of crap i spose if a cop crashes his car during a chase thats the first fine he'll be hit with my it makes me want to be sick into my own scorn. How pathetic of the government

It makes sense to me.
From what i've read the guy was doing 85-90k's on a wet/oily road that has a speed limit of 90 in normal conditions, got on the brakes when the corner tightened up which shifts weight to the front of the car, causing the back to come around. He's over corrected a few times and the car has rolled over.

If thats what happened then thats pretty much the definition of negligence (neglect or carelessness).

I dont mean to make him sound like a bad guy and he doesn't strike me as being another jerk trying to get out of a fine just because they haven't learned their lesson. Its a pretty simple thing to do and its almost happened to me a few times.

sexr6tasy · 03-08-2007, 01:39 AM

Indeed but from the other posts i read its standard issue to issue every crash with a negligent driver fine even if you were doing nothing illegal or wrong or am i wrong?

Rodp · 03-08-2007, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by photn

lol this looks bad with all these fines comming out of the works.

Now before any1 gets all worked up and all that.

i was driving normally and not doing anything wrong.

i came around the corner doing less than the speed sign. and my back end got a little twitchy/light

i took my foot off the accelerator and applied the brakes softly. and as soon as i did the back end slid out and i hit the embankment and the car rolled. It was drizzliing for about 10 min b4 hand as well. and yes i took the rain into consideration while driving.

I think you're pretty much screwed when it comes to trying to wipe the points off.

However, is this indicitive of the handling in a FWD? Yes, losing the back end like that under the speed limit would have been a breeze correcting it in a RWD and I've been considering a smaller car but I think I'll pass if you can take an innocuous bend under the limit when it's a tiny bit slick and end up on your roof! Only driven a FWD for more than 30 mins at a time a couple of times and had noticed severe understeer in the wet going around a roundabout...

XR5's are 4WD, correct? Maybe I'll have to settle for one of those :P

photn · 03-08-2007, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Rodp

I think you're pretty much screwed when it comes to trying to wipe the points off.

However, is this indicitive of the handling in a FWD? Yes, losing the back end like that under the speed limit would have been a breeze correcting it in a RWD and I've been considering a smaller car but I think I'll pass if you can take an innocuous bend under the limit when it's a tiny bit slick and end up on your roof! Only driven a FWD for more than 30 mins at a time a couple of times and had noticed severe understeer in the wet going around a roundabout...

XR5's are 4WD, correct? Maybe I'll have to settle for one of those :P

XR5T's are FWD. but have what they call ESP or Dynamic Stability Control, basically senses if any wheels are spinning and corrects it. hence why the next car i have will have Dynamic Stability Control. much more safer.