The drug "Ice"

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by castellan

But wimps like you lot push and suppor

Ahhh you missed the whole point of my post, why should we get the druggies, why should just your area be druggie free.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by johnydep

The movie of his book is coming out next year http://www.chasingthescream.com/



The guy is a disgraced reporter, the article only touches on some drugs and its aim is to sell his book. He tries to link hospital medical drugs to his theory, by saying "..it's the drugs that cause it; they make your body need them -- then it's obvious what should happen. Loads of people should leave the hospital and try to score smack on the streets to meet their habit. But here's the strange thing: It virtually never happens..."

Firstly, some people do become addicted to medical drugs, though it is rarer than street drug addictions. Secondly, hospital medication is used under controlled conditions. Thirdly - how many hospitals give out 'medicinal' methamphetamine, a glass pipe and a needle?

Even a radical mate had issues with him Is the dream over Russell Brand and Johann Hari go their separate ways.

Maybe the first step to the current drug epidemic is to stop defending the drugs. Use them if you want to take the chance, but don't go around praising them.

cool post bro

unlike yourself i have remained to pick up the pieces instead of running away

[superyob]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

cool post bro

unlike yourself i have remained to pick up the pieces instead of running away

Hang drug dealers = many less pieces to pick up...

Yeah I know; broken record...

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by superyob

Hang drug dealers = many less pieces to pick up...

Yeah I know; broken record...

drugs and guns are a massive industry

i dont want shares in it / can fight it ground level

*realise with this post i have just bought some shares

[superyob]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

drugs and guns are a massive industry

i dont want shares in it / can fight it ground level

*realise with this post i have just bought some shares

Not sure what you mean PB, could you please explain...

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by superyob;531****

Not sure what you mean PB, could you please explain...

its bigger than you, its bigger than me

if it pops in to your life just beat the **** out of it

[johnydep]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

cool post bro

unlike yourself i have remained to pick up the pieces instead of running away

I was with some of the 'pieces' last night. The kids are doing great, some issues caused by their dads addiction to ice and the lies, steeling, anger, etc. They still see their dad every second week, they love him, but the youngest did not want to go this weekend, maybe has something to do with finding a "glass pipe" under the bed last time.

I'm just happy that the family have managed to pull together and stay together sane; though they lost an investment property they saved their home (from the huge debts left).

The eldest son (13) started to smoke dope at age 11. His mum has done a great job talking to him, and he's seen his dads huge highs & lows from addiction. One good thing to come out of this, the son now hates drugs and takes voluntary urine tests every month to show his mum.

Three soles saved (still lots of work to do though), one hanging on to ice for the past 6 or 7 years.

Ice = stupid. Condone it all you want but it will always be the drug dealers drug of choice, because all users defend it and use it for years.

[superyob]

Originally Posted by johnydep

I was with some of the 'pieces' last night. The kids are doing great, some issues caused by their dads addiction to ice and the lies, steeling, anger, etc. They still see their dad every second week, they love him, but the youngest did not want to go this weekend, maybe has something to do with finding a "glass pipe" under the bed last time.

I'm just happy that the family have managed to pull together and stay together sane; though they lost an investment property they saved their home (from the huge debts left).

The eldest son (13) started to smoke dope at age 11. His mum has done a great job talking to him, and he's seen his dads huge highs & lows from addiction. One good thing to come out of this, the son now hates drugs and takes voluntary urine tests every month to show his mum.

Three soles saved (still lots of work to do though), one hanging on to ice for the past 6 or 7 years.

Ice = stupid. Condone it all you want but it will always be the drug dealers drug of choice, because all users defend it and use it for years.

Saved their shoes as well!? Great job.

Seriously though, that is good news...

[CoupeKing]

10-15 thousand people overdose every year in America from prescription drugs alone. I know its not ice, or that figure has not a lot to do here, but it's still shocking. And it's only going to get worse.

[XBROO]

Originally Posted by superyob

Fairy dust and fluffy kittens don't work in a world where hate and greed are the dominant realities. It is these realities we must face head on, with no mercy given to the wreckers of society.

While I do agree to some extent with the saying, it is an imperfect and flawed ideal that can be interpreted from many angles, and that is why in all of human existence it has never become reality...

The quote in its self is true, but it'll never happen. As for fairy dust and fluffy kittens, keep it to yourself as I don't need to hear of your weird @ss fantasies.

[goo33]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

10-15 thousand people overdose every year in America from prescription drugs alone. I know its not ice, or that figure has not a lot to do here, but it's still shocking. And it's only going to get worse.

Prescription drug misuse does not wreak havoc on communities and familes to the degree that Ice (methamphatamines) does.

Ambulance Victoria is now singling out meth from the plethora of other drugs, as the most significant drug to add unsustainable costs to their operations.

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by goo33

Prescription drug misuse does not wreak havoc on communities and familes to the degree that Ice (methamphatamines) does.

Ambulance Victoria is now singling out meth from the plethora of other drugs, as the most significant drug to add unsustainable costs to their operations.

I was talking about dead people. I wonder if that caused any havoc to the 15,000 families involved. Less people overdose on Heroin and cocaine combined. As for ice and Paramedics, you`re right. Ask any Cop or Ambo who'd they rather get a call to on a Friday night..... Ice bandit, alcho or bong head, if you can find one that wouldn't pick the dope smoker...don't worry, you wont find one.

[SpoolMan]

Not sure if this link has been posted, 4 corners dedicated 45 mins to a the drug ice.
There is some informative information in this story.
The part I found most interesting was its the brains doparmine that gives you the thrill when you take ice, but in the end with prolonged use the drug kills the brains dopamine.
Dopamine is the part of our brain that makes us feel good..

Past episodes can be found here.
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/episodes/

Ice Rush
20 Oct 2014
The drug scourge that's ravaging regional Australia.

[Dash_XR]

Most stimulants and opiates are the same even alcohol, ice is just allot quicker at doing it.

That's what they call a physical dependence, after a while their sober dopamine level drops more then a normal person so they need it just to feel normal. If you don't catch it before that then there's a good chance they'll relapse over and over.

[goo33]

If meth only made an addict feel good...

The problem is that meth, AKA Crank, makes the user malevolent.

The destructive symptom is meanness; Crankiness or ANGER. It is the meanness that compels the bizarre and destructive behaviour. If they ever get YOU into their crosshairs, you will redefine the term 'vindictiveness'.

Dope; heroin; cocaine and prescription drugs do not cause users to relentlessly attack, aTaCK, AttAcK, ATTACK

If you prescribe heroin to a heroin addict - heroin crime collapses.

If you prescribe meth to a Crank addict, meth crime, anger-driven paranoid bizarre behaviour EXPLODES. And the social damage is CATASTROPHIC.

[johnydep]

Originally Posted by Dash_XR

Most stimulants and opiates are the same even alcohol, ice is just allot quicker at doing it.

That's what they call a physical dependence, after a while their sober dopamine level drops more then a normal person so they need it just to feel normal. If you don't catch it before that then there's a good chance they'll relapse over and over.

That's partly incorrect.

If you go back a few pages you'll see references pointing out that 'ice' causes permanent brain damage. No other social drug causes the brain to stop dopamine production.

[Dash_XR]

Heroin.

They don't always just stop it either, there is a variety of different effects all end up with physical dependence.

Originally Posted by goo33

If meth only made an addict feel good...

The problem is that meth, AKA Crank, makes the user malevolent.

The destructive symptom is meanness; Crankiness or ANGER. It is the meanness that compels the bizarre and destructive behaviour. If they ever get YOU into their crosshairs, you will redefine the term 'vindictiveness'.

Dope; heroin; cocaine and prescription drugs do not cause users to relentlessly attack, aTaCK, AttAcK, ATTACK

If you prescribe heroin to a heroin addict - heroin crime collapses.

If you prescribe meth to a Crank addict, meth crime, anger-driven paranoid bizarre behaviour EXPLODES. And the social damage is CATASTROPHIC.

I wouldn't say malevolent, just psychotic. There is stuff out there allot more malevolent then Ice.

All stimulates can make people aggressive depends on the person and how much they have, alcohol is responsible for more assaults ever year then all other drugs combined. No idea how to control ice but simple rehab is not it.

[goo33]

Nothing sadder than an otherwise respectable 'angry drunk'.

How many police comprise:
two public order and riot squad squads and three general duties officers" to restrain one Crank addict ripping out metal pipes?

I count eight cops in the photos, but how many cops make up a riot squad?

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...4ff810d7d2d0a5

Another bizarre symptom of the Crank addict is the need to disassemble metal objects. i.e. Pulling apart metal pipes.

[johnydep]

Originally Posted by Dash_XR

Heroin.

They don't always just stop it either, there is a variety of different effects all end up with physical dependence.

I wouldn't say malevolent, just psychotic. There is stuff out there allot more malevolent then Ice.

All stimulates can make people aggressive depends on the person and how much they have, alcohol is responsible for more assaults ever year then all other drugs combined. No idea how to control ice but simple rehab is not it.

Originally Posted by happy1

The Swift looks like a tin can that should be avoided. Seems to have got Zero stars in this crash test:

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=...613B88D299B523

Anyway, this is Ford forum, and we should share some good references on for example Fiesta or Focus as an alternative to the rice boiler suggested above.

Cheers,

The biggest issue with ice is that rehabilitation is the lowest of all the common drugs, and then all the side affects & damage it causes compounds the hourendosness of it.

Yes there are other bad drugs, but 'ice' is the drug that keeps on giving: causes dopamine production to stop & not return fully, is cheap to produce, very rarely kills by overdose like other drugs = drug dealers perfect chemical.

[Dash_XR]

Ice is not some new super drug it's still just meth at the end of the day just allot stronger. Do enough of any meth based substance and you'll get the same result.

You think it's bad now with the bikies running the show wait till they get shut down and the gangs take over, then it'll be like the US.

[castellan]

Originally Posted by trublu

Ahhh you missed the whole point of my post, why should we get the druggies, why should just your area be druggie free.

Why, because I am a Queenslander and I say no to it in my State. the other states it's up to them what they want.

Not just the selling but anyone who does it should go, that way others my wake up to not doing it and I am on about Ice, not dope.

I believe in licencing people if they want to do drugs as the only way forward as even dope is beyond a joke nowadays we need to stop the rubbish stuff out their.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by castellan

Why, because I am a Queenslander and I say no to it in my State. the other states it's up to them what they want.

Not just the selling but anyone who does it should go, that way others my wake up to not doing it and I am on about Ice, not dope.

I believe in licencing people if they want to do drugs as the only way forward as even dope is beyond a joke nowadays we need to stop the rubbish stuff out their.

Well you going to be putting up with drugs for the rest of your life, it will not be going to go away for the very reason people like to dabble in it, nothing the authorities can do about it because too many people use drugs.

[superyob]

Originally Posted by Dash_XR

Ice is not some new super drug it's still just meth at the end of the day just allot stronger. Do enough of any meth based substance and you'll get the same result.

You think it's bad now with the bikies running the show wait till they get shut down and the gangs take over, then it'll be like the US.

That is indeed a scary thought...

[goo33]

Bikes may be runnin the show some places. But in the western suburbs of Melbourne, and around St Albans, meth does not seem to be controlled by Anglo biker gangs. The epidemic there is dominated by marginally employed or unemployed ***ese and ******ese gangs. These places are going to end up like Philidelphia - urban wastelands

[buggerlugs]

http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/2...-police/?cs=62

[SpoolMan]

announced yesterday, Victorian Government reveals $45.5m plan to tackle ice problem.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-0...roblem/6282258

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by SpoolMan

announced yesterday, Victorian Government reveals $45.5m plan to tackle ice problem.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-0...roblem/6282258

The Ice Hotline is a good idea, especially for families that haven't been through this before.



If anyone was bored enough to follow my previous posts about my Daughter 'Mary' she's doing fine in the village she moved too.

She's helping in the school canteen as well as cleaning a couple of houses weekly (which she is very good at and was thinking of starting her own cleaning business here before the Ice problem) along with working 2-3 nights a week at a nearby roadhouse.
She tells me that she's had offers to do house cleaning on nearby farms, but this wont happen until she gets her license back in a couple of months.

Don't give up on your family/friends. In most cases all they need is a little help, and try to get them out of the circle of 'friends' they now have, but most of all they must want to get off of the stuff.

[Maka]

Originally Posted by buggerlugs

http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/2...-police/?cs=62

I doubt empathy or sympathy will come from an ice users victim. In saying that, if the user knows how their actions affect others & are willing to get clean, they should get all the help they can.

Nice link buggerlugs!

cheer's, Maka

[mr smith]

Death penalty for dealers and severe punishment for repeat offenders. They have made their choice to step out of line with the majority. Soft approach doesn't work.

[Maka]

Originally Posted by SpoolMan

announced yesterday, Victorian Government reveals $45.5m plan to tackle ice problem.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-0...roblem/6282258

A great step in the right direction, the authorities & the ngo's need all the funding they can get to help fight this dangerous drug. Thanks for the informative link Spoolman!

cheer's, Maka