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roKWiz · 07-06-2023, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by naddis01

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-new...ay-result-ever

Strong backorder deliveries drove the Australian new vehicle market to an all-time May sales record and the best monthly result this year, with 105,694 new cars delivered.

The top 20 models list comprised 10 SUVs, six light commercial vehicles, and four passenger cars.

Toyota HiLux: 5772
Ford Ranger: 4110
Tesla Model Y: 3178
Toyota RAV4: 2616
MG ZS: 2502
Isuzu D-Max: 2371
Hyundai i30: 2163
Hyundai Tucson: 1911
Mitsubishi Outlander: 1880
Mazda CX-5: 1846
Mazda BT-50: 1788
MG 3: 1508
BYD Atto 3: 1448
Toyota Prado: 1435
Toyota HiAce: 1417
Toyota Corolla: 1386
Toyota LandCruiser wagon: 1364
Mitsubishi Triton: 1323
Tesla Model 3: 1298
Mazda CX-3: 1203

So out of the top 20. Ford sold 4110 compared to Toyboater's 13 990 ! Yikes.

**FTE217** · 07-06-2023, 08:29 AM

yep Toyboaters are the Kings like olden of the ol days but its range range range, 6 in that top 20, people not care thoughts here about they are "fridges", reputation is nothing like the past, hilux old platform figures says it all.
I'm surprised not 1 KIA making tht top 20 also even though 2 Hyundais.

OLDBLOKE, sorry ever since Everest was released its sales target was Prado, and as others have informed you in the same segment.
Its a shame alot of the buying public just don't want to look at Ford for the Everest is great rig now, its first gen not but this current model ticks the box's.

ToryMikey · 07-06-2023, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by FTE217

yep Toyboaters are the Kings like olden of the ol days but its range range range, 6 in that top 20, people not care thoughts here about they are "fridges", reputation is nothing like the past, hilux old platform figures says it all.
I'm surprised not 1 KIA making tht top 20 also even though 2 Hyundais.

OLDBLOKE, sorry ever since Everest was released its sales target was Prado, and as others have informed you in the same segment.
Its a shame alot of the buying public just don't want to look at Ford for the Everest is great rig now, its first gen not but this current model ticks the box's.

Reputation is nothing like the past. Look at the time bomb they put in the REEEEliable 79 series. If people really wanted REEEEEliable - and cheap to service - they would have bought local Fords.

**FTE217** · 07-06-2023, 08:42 AM

seems the consumer and fleet just keeps buying no matter the reputation not as the past.
Thats all I'm saying - they don't care the wallets and numbers say so.
Scream out the window.

Dr Smith · 07-06-2023, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

There was 7 new ones sitting in Essendon Ford Ute's yard last week, right in front of their showroom, so if you wanted a brand spanker you could walk into the dealership and get one of them sitting in the yard.

I thought the same when I saw a stack of Rangers and a few Transit Customs (anything more than one down this way is a shock to dealer staff at Brighton Ford)...however they were all allocated and just awaiting their turn through PD.

Dr Smith · 07-06-2023, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by roKWiz

The top 20 models list comprised 10 SUVs, six light commercial vehicles, and four passenger cars.

Toyota HiLux: 5772
Ford Ranger: 4110
Tesla Model Y: 3178
Toyota RAV4: 2616
MG ZS: 2502
Isuzu D-Max: 2371
Hyundai i30: 2163
Hyundai Tucson: 1911
Mitsubishi Outlander: 1880
Mazda CX-5: 1846
Mazda BT-50: 1788
MG 3: 1508
BYD Atto 3: 1448
Toyota Prado: 1435
Toyota HiAce: 1417
Toyota Corolla: 1386
Toyota LandCruiser wagon: 1364
Mitsubishi Triton: 1323
Tesla Model 3: 1298
Mazda CX-3: 1203

So out of the top 20. Ford sold 4110 compared to Toyboater's 13 990 ! Yikes.

And the problem is Ford don't have a RAV4/CX-5 competitor having killed Escape and never ever had enough stock from the moment it was released, no Corolla competitor after Focus went, no Fiesta to compete below Focus, nothing to compete with Land Cruiser while for Everest we are told it's order and wait, while large Transit is as rare as a truth telling politician. So frankly Ford can't and won't ever match Toyota numbers..

kevino · 07-06-2023, 10:27 AM

Anyone noticed how LDV Deliver large van looks exactly like Transit large van.
CCP copycats.

roKWiz · 07-06-2023, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by kevino

Anyone noticed how LDV Deliver large van looks exactly like Transit large van.
CCP copycats.

Dirty rat.

Franco Cozzo · 07-06-2023, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by roKWiz

The top 20 models list comprised 10 SUVs, six light commercial vehicles, and four passenger cars.

Toyota HiLux: 5772
Ford Ranger: 4110
Tesla Model Y: 3178
Toyota RAV4: 2616
MG ZS: 2502
Isuzu D-Max: 2371
Hyundai i30: 2163
Hyundai Tucson: 1911
Mitsubishi Outlander: 1880
Mazda CX-5: 1846
Mazda BT-50: 1788
MG 3: 1508
BYD Atto 3: 1448
Toyota Prado: 1435
Toyota HiAce: 1417
Toyota Corolla: 1386
Toyota LandCruiser wagon: 1364
Mitsubishi Triton: 1323
Tesla Model 3: 1298
Mazda CX-3: 1203

So out of the top 20. Ford sold 4110 compared to Toyboater's 13 990 ! Yikes.

Toyota is always going to cover way more ground because they've got over 20 options in their range, they have something for everyone.

Where as others aren't interested in putting in the work and want to regress to one of two models that they focus all their attention on.

roKWiz · 07-06-2023, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Toyota is always going to cover way more ground because they've got over 20 options in their range, they have something for everyone.

Where as others aren't interested in putting in the work and want to regress to one of two models that they focus all their attention on.

Little way off yet but will be Interesting to see what happens when Toyboys start flogging their miracle Hydrogen engined jalopies.

prydey · 07-06-2023, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Smith

So frankly Ford can't and won't ever match Toyota numbers..

Neither will any other manufacturer that comes to Australia and to be fair, why do they have to?

**DFB FGXR6** · 07-06-2023, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by FTE217

yep Toyboaters are the Kings like olden of the ol days but its range range range, 6 in that top 20, people not care thoughts here about they are "fridges", reputation is nothing like the past, hilux old platform figures says it all.
I'm surprised not 1 KIA making tht top 20 also even though 2 Hyundais.

OLDBLOKE, sorry ever since Everest was released its sales target was Prado, and as others have informed you in the same segment.
Its a shame alot of the buying public just don't want to look at Ford for the Everest is great rig now, its first gen not but this current model ticks the box's.

Kia shot themselves in the foot by thinking they were worthy of a price premium. Kia sales have simply diverted to MG.

XR Martin · 07-06-2023, 08:00 PM

Most of the Prados being delivered were ordered well before the new Everest even came out.
Ive said before if you order a Prado, they wont even guarantee you'll get a current model.

**FTE217** · 07-06-2023, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Kia shot themselves in the foot by thinking they were worthy of a price premium. Kia sales have simply diverted to MG.

What I see on the roads doesn’t reflect that.
You see a sportage seltos Sorrento everywhere in Sydney roads - even the wife mentioned about the brand on Sunday and she’s no car lover.
It’s interesting.

Yer that’s likely re prado ordered long before but I’d wager numbers will hardly change the next 12mths in any case.

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b0son · 07-06-2023, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by FTE217

What I see on the roads doesn’t reflect that.

Kinda the same. A lot of Koreans on the road, but also in this last year, Haval's RAV-wannabe. Bloody everywhere.

Bossxr8 · 08-06-2023, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by FTE217

last update I saw was expectations to showrooms from July on.....

So whats the big flip going on here

1 -Toyota HiLux – 5772

2 – Ford Ranger – 4110

New arrivals for the ol platform Toy and Ford Ute sold out not enough back in ?
Huge flip.
Christ LC pumped up, more new stock arrived and those RRP's arn't cheap.

Why can't they get enough Everests.
Large SUV < $70k Toyota Prado (1435) Isuzu MU-X (1110) Ford Everest (812)

Fugly Prado again old but still there and fugly MUX omg.
Will Everest ever make the ground to challenge or do consumer/s and Fleets just see Prado as the out and out 4x4 SUV and better support for parts etc....

It's getting vehicles into the country that is the problem. Fords holding yards in Thailand are full, they have boats full of cars waiting to dock due to quarantine hold ups, so ships are being further delayed getting back to Thailand to pick up new loads. It's an absolute clusterfk.

So the monthly figures are basically dependent on how many ships you can get to dock. And then not get flagged in quarantine for cleaning, which is being further and further backlogged. Ford have even reverted to having cleaning crews actually on the ships to double check everything to hopefully avoid being flagged for cleaning. But quarantine inspectors are being so over zealous they will literally flag a whole boat for cleaning if they even find the slightest little bit of contamination.

As you can see with the results, they are up and down like yo-yo's. Everest outsold Prado for a few months because they couldn't get supply, now Prado has gone back to the top after getting decent supplies, while heaps of Everests sit on boats. All you can really do is take the average over quarters, halves and full years to get an accurate number.

naddis01 · 08-06-2023, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

But quarantine inspectors are being so over zealous they will literally flag a whole boat for cleaning if they even find the slightest little bit of contamination.

And so they should. I think our biosecurity is a little more important than getting your new car straight away.

Bossxr8 · 08-06-2023, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by naddis01

And so they should. I think our biosecurity is a little more important than getting your new car straight away.

Fair enough. But is it too much to ask for the government managers of quarantine sites to have used a little foresight and planned appropriately for the extra workload?

These clowns knew what was going to happen, but hired no extra workers to compensate.

b0son · 08-06-2023, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by naddis01

And so they should. I think our biosecurity is a little more important than getting your new car straight away.

Biosecurity, LOL. Every second import we bring in, they release to us to store until they can get round to inspecting it, and that inspection is rarely more detailed than checking that the label on the box matches the paperwork.

Sprintey · 09-06-2023, 11:47 PM

I go away for a few days and the company is now called Ford Ute, hahaha

Sprintey · 09-06-2023, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

It's getting vehicles into the country that is the problem. Fords holding yards in Thailand are full, they have boats full of cars waiting to dock due to quarantine hold ups, so ships are being further delayed getting back to Thailand to pick up new loads. It's an absolute clusterfk.

So the monthly figures are basically dependent on how many ships you can get to dock. And then not get flagged in quarantine for cleaning, which is being further and further backlogged. Ford have even reverted to having cleaning crews actually on the ships to double check everything to hopefully avoid being flagged for cleaning. But quarantine inspectors are being so over zealous they will literally flag a whole boat for cleaning if they even find the slightest little bit of contamination.

As you can see with the results, they are up and down like yo-yo's. Everest outsold Prado for a few months because they couldn't get supply, now Prado has gone back to the top after getting decent supplies, while heaps of Everests sit on boats. All you can really do is take the average over quarters, halves and full years to get an accurate number.

Sounds like it would be less getting messed around by making them here.

Smoke Pursuit · 10-06-2023, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by FTE217

last update I saw was expectations to showrooms from July on.....

So whats the big flip going on here

1 -Toyota HiLux – 5772

2 – Ford Ranger – 4110

New arrivals for the ol platform Toy and Ford Ute sold out not enough back in ?
Huge flip.
Christ LC pumped up, more new stock arrived and those RRP's arn't cheap.

Why can't they get enough Everests.
Large SUV < $70k Toyota Prado (1435) Isuzu MU-X (1110) Ford Everest (812)

Fugly Prado again old but still there and fugly MUX omg.
Will Everest ever make the ground to challenge or do consumer/s and Fleets just see Prado as the out and out 4x4 SUV and better support for parts etc....

Port congestion. Ford have had a lot of Ranger sitting on the grass in Thailand due to customs issues. E.g. I just took deliver of my March built Wildtrak (should have been here in April).

Everest 12 - 18 month wait depending on model and options. If Ford could build more cars it would outsell the rest.

Smoke Pursuit · 10-06-2023, 11:13 AM

Ford has even had to charter their own ship to bring a complete load of vehicles to Aus. Last I heard it was off the coast of QLD.

Big_Daz · 10-06-2023, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

Everest 12 - 18 month wait depending on model and options. If Ford could build more cars it would outsell the rest.

Its insane, even though we don't need a replacement to wifey's car for just over 12 months I have just ordered an Everest Platinum in Equinox Bronze so it will get here approx. when wifeys lease is up... My dealer tell's me even that may not be long enough...
Got to wonder how many sales are lost due to availability...