SA Police forced to retract gift card prize for officer who issues the most speeding fines

Franco Cozzo · 05-08-2019, 08:57 PM

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SA Police forced to retract gift card prize for officer who issues the most speeding fines

SA Police has been forced to retract an email sent out by one of its managers which offered an incentive to patrols to issue more speeding and traffic fines.

Frustrated drivers have long complained about revenue raising through speeding fines — and now SAPOL has revealed a blunder over this week's Operation Fatal Distraction.

In a statement, police said a manager had bought a gift card and offered in an email to give it to the officer who made the "greatest contribution to road safety" through the number of traffic infringement notices and cautions issued.

Police today retracted the email and informed officers that the incentive went against official policy.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-...fines/11385468

Itsme · 05-08-2019, 10:20 PM

I bet there would have been plenty of candidates willing to participate for that prize ....lol

**Gothefalcon** · 06-08-2019, 12:19 AM

I got pulled over by a mobile patrol and breathoed on the way home from the pub last night (0.0) ... as I drove off, I could see in the rear vision mirror they took off after the next car that drove past and pulled them over no more than 350m from where I stopped !
Thought at the time, it was a bit odd they'd jump so quickly again... but makes sense now !

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Lunch · 06-08-2019, 06:25 AM

And yet they still claim it has nothing to do with raising revenue..

( i’d like to know the value of the gift card, would give an idea as to how desperate the bastards are )

Franco Cozzo · 06-08-2019, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Lunch

And yet they still claim it has nothing to do with raising revenue..

( i’d like to know the value of the gift card, would give an idea as to how desperate the bastards are )

Probably $20 prepaid Visa from Australia Post

It's not the amount, it's the thought that counts!

**DJR-351** · 06-08-2019, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Probably $20 prepaid Visa from Australia Post

It's not the amount, it's the thought that counts!

Nah, more than likely....

Citroënbender · 06-08-2019, 08:26 AM

Imagine if they ran an incentive contest for uniformed occifer who gets the most favourable mentions from members of the public.

Interceptor · 06-08-2019, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DJR-351

Nah, more than likely....

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don't you mean donut king?

Tassie f100 · 06-08-2019, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DJR-351

Nah, more than likely....

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Pretty sure Cops already get free Mcdonalds,so they don,t need vouchers

Lunch · 06-08-2019, 10:19 AM

@ citroenbender. Don’t be ridiculous

guzzis3 · 06-08-2019, 10:50 AM

It's actually worse than that. If you look at the data ( and the queensland numbers show it most clearly) there was a steady decline in road trauma starting in the late 70's. As mass anti speeding campains came into effect in each state the decline SLOWED or in queensland's case stopped dead for 12 years. More careful examination shows crashes due to excessive speed remained the same while crashes due to inattention rose. Similar numbers are apparent throughout the developed world where similar campains have been implemented.

So not only are they not saving lives and injuries, they have actually increased them.

Some of you may point out that deaths have declined, and that is correct, but road trauma has not. The rebalance bewteen fatalities and hospitalisations is due to rigid passenger safety cells and to a lesser extent front end design (pedestrians).

Ben73 · 06-08-2019, 08:24 PM

If you want to reward people for doing the right thing, speed cameras should also take photos of all the cars that pass speed cameras at or below the speed limit. Then each month they choose a random car obeying the limit and give the driver a $1000 prize that was taken out of the fines that camera issued.

Citroënbender · 06-08-2019, 08:27 PM

Absolutely! Or even a credit voucher for some state government transaction.

But I'd also be happy with a letter saying I'd passed X number of speed cameras and never been detected over the speed limit (itemised, time/dated list attached).

Yellow_Festiva · 06-08-2019, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Tassie f100

Pretty sure Cops already get free Mcdonalds,so they don,t need vouchers

Think it's half price?

Had a mate that was an Ambo, they got the same deal apparently.

jstanovic · 06-08-2019, 10:13 PM

They had some idea here in WA a few years ago if you didn't get any demerit points for an amount of time (3 years maybe?) you got a much discounted drivers licence fee.

Yellow_Festiva · 06-08-2019, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jstanovic

They had some idea here in WA a few years ago if you didn't get any demerit points for an amount of time (3 years maybe?) you got a much discounted drivers licence fee.

Happens in NSW. Half price licence if you have no demerits.

Just renewed for 10 years and it was half price for me

Franco Cozzo · 06-08-2019, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jstanovic

They had some idea here in WA a few years ago if you didn't get any demerit points for an amount of time (3 years maybe?) you got a much discounted drivers licence fee.

My older sister stacked her car driving on her Ls by herself years ago and ended up in court.

Then when she renewed her license going from Ps to full licence got a discount for 'clean driving history' because the driving without a licence thing didn't count against the criteria for the discount

Electrolyte Burns · 07-08-2019, 08:40 AM

And still they wonder why the public have no faith in them or respect for them.

ford71V8 · 07-08-2019, 10:19 AM

Shows how casual they are about it all.

Right Boys, hand out the most fines this week and you'll score a giftcard, she's on me this week.

I would have thought a good police dept was doing everything it needed to without giftcard incentives.

**FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0** · 08-08-2019, 10:37 AM

I'll go against the grain and say I don't have a problem with it.

All of us in a job receive some sort of incentive (pay, bonus, etc) to do our job. One of the roles of police is to enforce the law. Those laws include the offence of speeding.

Can't see a problem with incentivising the police force to enforce the law by offering a further reward. As long as the crimes were legit.

Would you guys complaining about this also suggest that police officers should not get paid (the 'reward' for doing their job)?

Would you guys complaining about this also complain if the police force offered a gift card to the officer who arrested the most number of drug offenders? Or child molesterers? Or child pornography holders? Or jaywalkers? Or litterers? Or......

Bossxr8 · 08-08-2019, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by psychobimbo

I'll go against the grain and say I don't have a problem with it.

All of us in a job receive some sort of incentive (pay, bonus, etc) to do our job. One of the roles of police is to enforce the law. Those laws include the offence of speeding.

Can't see a problem with incentivising the police force to enforce the law by offering a further reward. As long as the crimes were legit.

Would you guys complaining about this also suggest that police officers should not get paid (the 'reward' for doing their job)?

Would you guys complaining about this also complain if the police force offered a gift card to the officer who arrested the most number of drug offenders? Or child molesterers? Or child pornography holders? Or jaywalkers? Or litterers? Or......

So you don't have a problem with officers coming up with dodgy ways to get their quota up, so they get the prize? Ok then

**FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0** · 08-08-2019, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

So you don't have a problem with officers coming up with dodgy ways to get their quota up, so they get the prize? Ok then

And you have evidence that this is actually occurring? Care to share?

Or are you jumping to conclusions?

roKWiz · 08-08-2019, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben73

If you want to reward people for doing the right thing, speed cameras should also take photos of all the cars that pass speed cameras at or below the speed limit. Then each month they choose a random car obeying the limit and give the driver a $1000 prize that was taken out of the fines that camera issued.

They could reward drivers who actually still have a licence.

mick taylor · 08-08-2019, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by guzzis3

It's actually worse than that. If you look at the data ( and the queensland numbers show it most clearly) there was a steady decline in road trauma starting in the late 70's. As mass anti speeding campains came into effect in each state the decline SLOWED or in queensland's case stopped dead for 12 years. More careful examination shows crashes due to excessive speed remained the same while crashes due to inattention rose. Similar numbers are apparent throughout the developed world where similar campains have been implemented.

So not only are they not saving lives and injuries, they have actually increased them.

Some of you may point out that deaths have declined, and that is correct, but road trauma has not. The rebalance bewteen fatalities and hospitalisations is due to rigid passenger safety cells and to a lesser extent front end design (pedestrians).

I remember my generation displayed Speed kills play it safe buy a Holden as we got about displayed on us, just goes to show how concerned we were back in the days, but do you see anyone getting about with slogans of every K over is a killer.
Or the latest bran washing tec in QLD Lets change the way we ? speed. the ? mark is it view or see. I can't remember because I switch off directly.

Who has the right to peddle that load of BS,

I am all for something like, lets learn how to drive, take an advance driving test or be responsible on the road and not a clown hey !

Bossxr8 · 08-08-2019, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by psychobimbo

And you have evidence that this is actually occurring? Care to share?

Or are you jumping to conclusions?

Never heard of officer discretion? Used to be you'd get a warning for a few k's over. If an officer wanted to get his quota up he could simply bust anyone doing the slightest little thing that wouldn't/shouldn't be worthy of a fine.

It's open to abuse. And don't say it wouldn't happen. Not every cop is above board. That's why they have the internal investigation unit.

**FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0** · 08-08-2019, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Never heard of officer discretion? Used to be you'd get a warning for a few k's over. If an officer wanted to get his quota up he could simply bust anyone doing the slightest little thing that wouldn't/shouldn't be worthy of a fine.

It's open to abuse. And don't say it wouldn't happen. Not every cop is above board. That's why they have the internal investigation unit.

So, let me sum that 'answer' up. No evidence. Just assumptions. Got it.

PS. You may have missed this bit in my original post

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As long as the crimes were legit.

Bossxr8 · 09-08-2019, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by psychobimbo

So, let me sum that 'answer' up. No evidence. Just assumptions. Got it.

PS. You may have missed this bit in my original post

Can you prove it never happens?

Franco Cozzo · 09-08-2019, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Can you prove it never happens?

Like the strip searches going on in Sydney by NSW police - 2/3 strip searches turn up nothing and the drug sniffer dogs turning up huge amounts of false positives

EDManual · 09-08-2019, 10:40 PM

of course some cops are dodgy, look at all of the cops in Vic who did the fake breath tests to get the numbers up! Theres plenty of proof about that.

Franco Cozzo · 09-08-2019, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by EDManual

of course some cops are dodgy, look at all of the cops in Vic who did the fake breath tests to get the numbers up! Theres plenty of proof about that.

Its human nature - when the big wigs upstairs start setting arbitrary targets you get measured on, people will do what it takes to make the numbers.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-...24-p4zbbj.html

https://www.smh.com.au/business/kpis...07-ghiero.html

https://www.smh.com.au/business/work...12-p4zl29.html

If they implemented bonus system based around KPI's at my employer I'd turn the dodginess up to 11, usually they're junk targets set by people without coal face experience.

Same with procedures/policy that is poorly thought out and onerous to comply with - everyone just skirts around it or does dodgies.