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Old 26-11-2008, 11:24 AM   #1
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Just got this of the wire.

It states that Ford is in better shape because it borrowed Billions last year. WTF!!! And this was before the credit crunch! What happens if things get worse and Ford can't repay??? This is the start of the turn around by Barack Obama's position I think, but it is clear that if the US motor industry is to survive with government funding, it will be a different industry on the other side.

26/11/2008 - After being skewered by Congress, the CEOs of Detroit's three carmakers may end up making their return trip to Washington by car as they seek a federal bailout.


The Detroit area's auto industry, whose livelihood depends on the health of Chrysler LLC, Ford Motor Co and General Motors Corp spent the weekend emailing and discussing how to set up a giant car caravan to seek help from Congress.

What's for certain is GM CEO Rick Wagoner won't be going to Washington by corporate jet, although the company's policy is not to comment on executive travel plans for security reasons, said spokesman Tony Cervone.

A Chrysler spokeswoman wouldn't comment on CEO Bob Nardelli's travel plans, and a Ford spokesman said no decision has been made on how CEO Alan Mulally will go if summoned to Washington.

The carpool idea came out of meetings on Friday at Dura Automotive Systems Inc, an auto parts maker in suburban Rochester Hills. President and CEO Tim Leuliette said that during the weekend they contacted the automakers, suppliers, dealership groups and the United Auto Workers and the movement began building.

"The proper people are talking to the proper people, and things are getting put together," said Leuliette. "This really picked up momentum over the weekend."

Industry representatives want Congress to see not just three CEOs in suits during the hearings, but the many people dependent on the automakers for their livelihoods, Leuliette said.

"Quite honestly, this is about America," he said. "This is a process of people's lives being affected, and sometimes they don't know how to put a voice to those concerns."

The movement comes after last week's disastrous hearings in front of two Congressional committees. Ford CEO Alan Mulally, Chrysler LLC CEO Robert Nardelli and GM's Wagoner travelled to Washington on separate corporate jets to seek $25 billion in government loans to help them make it through the worst US auto sales downturn in 25 years.

Congress, though, abandoned a vote on the bailout after the appearances in which the carmakers were criticised for lavish corporate travel, as well as for having poor business plans and high labour costs that some members said would keep them from being competitive with Toyota Motor Corp and Honda Motor Co.

Many of the CEOs' answers were vague, and it appeared as though they had no specific plan to change the way they do business in order to justify the bailout. Lawmakers have demanded restructuring plans by Dec 2, with hearings to follow.

The automakers say they need the loans to help them survive the worst sales environment in more than 25 years. GM and Chrysler said that without the loans, they soon will be in danger of running so low on cash that they can't pay all of their bills.

Ford is in better shape because it borrowed billions last year to help weather an economic downturn.

President-elect Barack Obama, in a news conference Monday, said the government should support the auto industry but can't give it a blank check.

He said he was surprised that the Detroit Three CEOs didn't have a better proposal when they appeared before Congress.

"I think that the auto industry needs to present us with some clarity in terms of the dollar figures they're talking about, but more importantly, are they describing for us an auto industry that is focused on retooling, understands that we're entering into a new energy economy that is going to be competitive globally," Obama said.

"That's the kind of plan that the American people I think want to see."

Leuliette, whose company makes shifter systems, seating controls, safety gear and other items for nearly all automakers, said an automotive car caravan could help show the industry in a better light.

"All of them would say in hindsight they should have been better prepared or prepared in a different way," he said of the CEOs.

Detroit's car makers employ nearly a quarter-million workers, and more than 730,000 other workers produce materials and parts that go into cars. If just one of the automakers declared bankruptcy, some estimates put US job losses next year as high as 2.5 million.

"We want to let people know that we're a part of this country, and a huge part of this country," said Detroit-area car dealer Carl Galeana, who last year was senior co-chairman of Detroit's auto show.

Source: AAP NewsWire

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Old 26-11-2008, 04:11 PM   #2
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I think the issue is availability of credit, not the ability to repay it.
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Old 27-11-2008, 04:17 PM   #3
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Saturday Night Live did a skit on their next visit to Washington.

Worth a watch:

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/11/25/s...roit-3-bailout
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Old 27-11-2008, 04:21 PM   #4
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good, it will save them 40k each time they wanna ride the jet to work :P
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good, it will save them 40k each time they wanna ride the jet to work :P
And cost them several hundred thousand dollars in overheads and lost productivity but hey, some people drive 20km to but petrolthat is 3c/litre cheaper and think that they are saving money.......
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Old 27-11-2008, 04:31 PM   #6
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.. or they could just live closer to work like most people?

im sure they should have plans they can implement to combat something like that.
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Fev the HO is in detroit. They're going to washington to ask for money to loan to keep their business running.
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Maybe a decent road trip in one of their own products will show up the poor job they have done.
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Old 27-11-2008, 08:33 PM   #9
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I live in a regional Victorian town and at the bigger factories here, the engineers and scientist are flown by charter planes as are the managers.

Car pooling for the heads of some of the worlds biggest companies is about the most stupid thing that I have ever heard.
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Saturday Night Live did a skit on their next visit to Washington.

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http://www.autoblog.com/2008/11/25/s...roit-3-bailout
That's very good! I'm still giggling about the "have you seen the price of gas"....
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.. or they could just live closer to work like most people?

im sure they should have plans they can implement to combat something like that.
What are you on about boy?
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