Update, that VIC Burnley tunnel crash

Keepleft · 12-05-2007, 09:42 PM

Delete if this appears elsewhere on forum, but for those interested (The Age, 12 May 07):-

http://www.theage.com.au/news/nation...390556452.html

Citylink webcams:-
http://www.citylink.com.au/860.jsp

Elks · 12-05-2007, 10:17 PM

and the suprised people are....

Elks · 12-05-2007, 10:19 PM

Oh, by the way, good get keepleft

RG · 12-05-2007, 10:37 PM

ACA terror in the tunnel.

Now it seems that instead of finding and "investigating" stories that just make them up as they go. No wonder The Chaser give them such a hard time.

**Full Noise** · 13-05-2007, 11:08 AM

I actually thought that this would be the case. Here is a post of mine in another thread where I give my 2 cents worth.

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showpos...3&postcount=79

Here’s the link to the truck story.

http://ninemsn.video.msn.com/v/en-au...8-b9fc60a09090

Here’s the Mercedes story.

http://ninemsn.video.msn.com/v/en-au...7-A52A2A686481

Thanks for posting the link to The Age, Keepleft.

Cheers

The Monty · 13-05-2007, 11:22 AM

If you watch the tape, when the truck crashes, she stares in the rearvission mirror, and crosses completely into another lane with no blinker, all the while looking behind her. She should loose points for that.

Laminge · 13-05-2007, 11:28 AM

ACA, if its not a story on wonder Bra's, then lets create our own.

Undeniable fact, there was an accident, and if someone is driving like an idiot, I dont know about you lot, but I back right off, not closer.

4Vman · 13-05-2007, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Laminge

Undeniable fact, there was an accident, and if someone is driving like an idiot, I dont know about you lot, but I back right off, not closer.

100% spot on.

Thunder · 13-05-2007, 11:39 AM

The ACA video clearly shows the ACA car enters the tunnel and exits the tunnel at a constant speed in the same lane. No eratic behaviour by ACA. The Truck driver is fully responsible for the accident.

If you watch the video you can see that the mercedes and the truck both merge into the same lane (middle lane) at the same time. But the mercedes is in fact ahead of the truck.

The mercedes is doing the right thing (ie he is overtaking via a lane on his right) and the truckie is doing the wrong thing (overtaking via a lane to his left!)

This is perfect example as to why you dont overtake via a lane to your left people. :togo:

andrewts · 13-05-2007, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Thunder

The ACA video clearly shows the ACA car enters the tunnel and exits the tunnel at a constant speed in the same lane.

I think you will find that the ACA car changes into the middle lane about 1 or two seconds before the leave the tunnel.

4Vman · 13-05-2007, 11:43 AM

Regardless of personal opinion about ACA, I actually find it quite appauling that this particular truck driver is trying to point fingers and blame everyone else but himself on this occasion... no wonder we have these kind of incidents on our roads if that's his mind-set.

Thunder · 13-05-2007, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by andrewts

I think you will find that the ACA car changes into the middle lane about 1 or two seconds before the leave the tunnel.

At the end of the tunnel, after the accident dude, they were not to blame though.

**Full Noise** · 13-05-2007, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Thunder

This is perfect example as to why you dont overtake via a lane to your left people. :togo:

Geez, I’m glad you’re such an expert.

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In that case, it’s also a good reason for di*khead car drivers to do a head check before changing lanes to their right.

Thunder · 13-05-2007, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Regardless of personal opinion about ACA, I actually find it quite appauling that this particular truck driver is trying to point fingers and blame everyone else but himself on this occasion... no wonder we have these kind of incidents on our roads if that's his mind-set.

And bingo was his name-o

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Its scary to think that after hitting a Merc (not the smallest car in the world mind you) he only stopped because he thought his trucks tyres had a problem, not because he sandwiched a 2 tone vehicle into a barrier. :togo:

Laminge · 13-05-2007, 11:56 AM

Im sure we can discuss this without merging into Minge.

4Vman · 13-05-2007, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

In that case, it’s also a good reason for di*khead car drivers to do a head check before changing lanes to their right.

The truck made contact with the rear 1/4 of the merc, the merc was already into the middle lane and moving past him... the truck simply didnt check to see if it was safe to merge left............. Which is futher proven by the fact that he didnt even know he had made contact with the merc.

Thunder · 13-05-2007, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

Geez, I’m glad you’re such an expert.

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In that case, it’s also a good reason for di*khead car drivers to do a head check before changing lanes to their right.

Obviously a head check is required regardless in many ways, but overtaking via the left lane is the current rule in all states of Australia, i appologise if this rule is un-applicable to you Full Noise.

I am not being nasty mate, just simplistic.

Thunder · 13-05-2007, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

The truck made contact with the rear 1/4 of the merc, the merc was already into the middle lane and moving past him... the truck simply didnt check to see if it was safe to merge left............. Which is futher proven by the fact that he didnt even know he had made contact with the merc.

Yes, true. But you have to admit, too many people (and not just truck drivers) dont have the patience to wait for a safe time to overtake. I drive the F3 daily and its now a rediculous phenomenon for trucks to overtake from the right lane into the middle lane (overtake to the left) because they cant wait 10 or 20 more seconds for the car in front to move over. Patience can save lives.

**Full Noise** · 13-05-2007, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Thunder

Obviously a head check is required regardless in many ways, but overtaking via the left lane is the current rule in all states of Australia, i appologise if this rule is un-applicable to you Full Noise.

I am not being nasty mate, just simplistic.

OK, I’ll be simplistic then. Generally when you overtake someone, you usually go faster than them. If you read what I’d posted in the other thread (link attached) you would have understood what I’d posted, or didn’t you read it?

Thunder · 13-05-2007, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

OK, I’ll be simplistic then. Generally when you overtake someone, you usually go faster than them. If you read what I’d posted in the other thread (link attached) you would have understood what I’d posted, or didn’t you read it?

I did not argue that point with you at any stage my friend.

I only pointed out that overtaking laws are important, especialy to trucks, im sure you would agree to that, yes/no?

I never said that you dont need head checks did i, yes/no?

You overeacted because i made another point that was just different to yours, yes/no?

Please keep some peace here mate. We all agree that the truck driver was at fault. He should have done a head check and or had some patience untill leaving the tunnel, yes/no?

Elks · 13-05-2007, 12:17 PM

[PHP]The mercedes is doing the right thing (ie he is overtaking via a lane on his right) and the truckie is doing the wrong thing (overtaking via a lane to his left!)

This is perfect example as to why you dont overtake via a lane to your left people. [/PHP]

Thunder clearly you have never travelled in or driven a truck, they are large slow to react and vision at close quarters is limited, If you back of in an uphill pinch you lose all your momemntum then have all the people who don' understand complaining that truck are going slow in the right lane,

I would be surprised if the ACA crew didn't have a "what have we done" moment which they wont admit to.

Fact is in a truck staedy as she goes is the way. No fast take off(almost impossible) no hard braking no quick corners changing lanes in a tunnell or freeway is usally avioded, unless of course you have a camera crew slowing down in front of you...

Thunder · 13-05-2007, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by myts

....Thunder clearly you have never travelled in or driven a truck, they are large slow to react and vision at close quarters is limited,

Mate, i have driven many in my time, i used to work in furniture removal.

Please lets not let this thread slip into an argument. I am trying to be reasonable here.

No one can say for certain why the truckie changed lanes. You are of the opinion that he did so to not hold up traffic/ momentum etc, from the fotage
i saw, in my own opinion, it looked like he was overtaking because he wanted to get around the ACA car.

We will never know the truth, so arguing over the issue is just silly.

We are suposed to be adults here.

blur1 · 13-05-2007, 12:30 PM

what was the truck doing in the right lane anyway?

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pottsy44 · 13-05-2007, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by blur1

what was the truck doing in the right lane anyway?

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might have come from an on ramp? not sure to be honest.

Martyvan · 13-05-2007, 01:19 PM

Doesnt Victoria have Keep Left Laws? In Qld they are only on 90kph+ roads... i believe in Vic its everywhere?

If the Merc was heading for the middle lane, obviously there was no car there, what was the ACA 4wd overtaking? Should it have moved left?

Mmm...... Book em all... and Eddie McGuire....

GXL078 · 13-05-2007, 01:44 PM

its a wonder he wasnt on the phone as well, they usually are

XRQTR · 13-05-2007, 01:49 PM

You can all watch the debate tommorow night on where else but ACA

I would like to but won't bother getting into this one as I see all the 'experts that drive trucks on a regular basis' have had there say (of course I'm being sarcastic you fool).

Those that do, understand, but those that don't, never will.

The Monty · 13-05-2007, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by andrewts

I think you will find that the ACA car changes into the middle lane about 1 or two seconds before the leave the tunnel.

While looking in the rear vision mirror the whole time, and with no blinker. This lady is a bad driver. She should not have been in the right lane, she changed lanes without looking, she did not indicate, she did not stop at the scene of an accident she witnessed, she is a BAD DRIVER.

Gilesie · 13-05-2007, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Thunder

The ACA video clearly shows the ACA car enters the tunnel and exits the tunnel at a constant speed in the same lane. No eratic behaviour by ACA. The Truck driver is fully responsible for the accident.

The only thing that baffles me is how the ACA crew had the preminition that this event might occur.
bit of food for thought

**Silver Ghia** · 13-05-2007, 07:02 PM

My 2 cents worth:

Why did the truck driver change back to the RH lane and then say he didnt see the Merc?

I also think the Merc driver is somewhat at fault for not keeping an eye on other vehicles going into the lane at the same time he is. From experience this happens quite often with me, and found I must keep a watch for all other vehicles when changing lanes.

The lady drivers seating position. She can hardly reach the steering wheel and would find it hard to steer out of a situation. Also dangerous being distracted on whats going on behind her and not whats in front.

But then I would also change lanes to get out of the way if theres something like that going on behind me.

The truck driver who says he can see past the car in front so he can then drive close behind. I hope its not me in front when my TPS (common problem on BA's) suddenly plays up.