Wheels Test - Mustang GT Vs SS-V Redline drag race

[mike_nofx]

For those interested Wheels did a drag race with the Mustang GT Vs the Commodore SS-V Redline

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fZJSCmLpJg

[PepeLePew]

Ford I may be at heart but that surprised me I thought the Redline would have it going by the claimed times for the LS3 powered SS

[Stefan]

I just don't get these comparisons, why do the continue to compare a 2 door sport car v family sedan.

Why are these the same class of vehicle.

[HO 3]

Yeah not a bad performance from the garden variety 5.0 GT version. Much impressed.

Cheers Mick

[Carrion]

Looks like Wheels is just killing time until they get their hands on a couple of sprints.

[Express]

That doesn’t surprise me at all.

This is want I said when I test drove the Redline sedan for a couple of days late last year in post 131 of Final Commodore LS3 304kw 570nm thread.

Originally Posted by Express

For the last couple of days I’ve been driving a manual demo Redline sedan which started with 35klm on the clock and my thoughts are as follows.


The power output I thought was weak.
The first thing I noticed is I need to give it a few extra revs more than other Commodores I’ve owned to induce a smooth take-off.
Its initial acceleration response from a standing start or while in gear or after a quick downshift then full throttle application feels a little soft but it did get a bit more urgency as the revs increased.
My neighbour thought it was powerful, he drives a Kia so I guess it comes down to what you’re use to but for my way of thinking it a handy hauler but I would never class it as anything close to a ball-tearer.
Having been around LS engines for a long time I have no doubt a tune would unleash its inner beast for those who wish correct the soft tune.

I've never understood why Holden gave it such a soft tune when the engine is capable of much more.

[HO 3]

Originally Posted by Carrion

Looks like Wheels is just killing time until they get their hands on a couple of sprints.

Hopefully they are trying to sharpen up their reaction times when driving a Ford.

Cheers Mick

[MAGPIE]

I'm just surprised that people are surprised

[lgpking22]

Look its the dead versus the living one will be dust and nobody will care anymore

[fordomatic]

So let me get this straight, Wheels wont test the XR8 Sprint against the SS-V but they will test it against the Mustang?

I want to see the XR8 Sprint against the SS-V which is its true competitor, not the HSV

[XR Martin]

Mustang would be 2-3 tenths quicker also if we had the US spec exhaust.

[asagaai]

Wow- the Mustang seemed to beat the SS-V by a much greater margin than the comparison I have seen between the FGX-XR8 (auto) and the SS-V (manual).

On the basis of that you would think the Mustang would flog the FGX XR8, is it "doctored" video jiggery pockery.....

[Big_Daz]

Originally Posted by fordomatic

So let me get this straight, Wheels wont test the XR8 Sprint against the SS-V but they will test it against the Mustang?

I want to see the XR8 Sprint against the SS-V which is its true competitor, not the HSV

They haven't been able to get access to the sprints for a full comparison. ... Remember all the tests that are in Wheels and Motor this month are the Ford launch... They weren't allowed to take them to tracks or run times, and I dare say that bringing an SSV Redline along for a comparison would not have been allowed..

Im sure Motor (Wheels who knows) will compare them.. And even probably add the XR6 Sprint... I cant wait to see the XR's wipe the floor with the SSV..

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by Express

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I've never understood why Holden gave it such a soft tune when the engine is capable of much more.

To give the crims a fighting chance against the law. Officers drive only standard cars don't they

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by Stefan

I just don't get these comparisons, why do the continue to compare a 2 door sport car v family sedan.

Why are these the same class of vehicle.

Why not? Who gives a rats about different 'classes'... Fact is, if your looking for a v8 unless your a one eyed brand snob then you would look at both.

[4vxc]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

Why not? Who gives a rats about different 'classes'... Fact is, if your looking for a v8 unless your a one eyed brand snob then you would look at both.

I'm not a one eyed brand snob but there's no way on earth I could consider a Holden family sedan compared to the Mustang.
Very cool coupe vs a sedan that's a redo of the original from 2006

[Express]

If you ask me I recon the fellow driving the Holden was being paid by Ford, that’s the only logical conclusion I can come up with.

[Express]

Originally Posted by 4vxc

I'm not a one eyed brand snob but there's no way on earth I could consider a Holden family sedan compared to the Mustang.
Very cool coupe vs a sedan that's a redo of the original from 2006

You would if you had 3 teenage daughters sulking in the back.

[2011G6E]

Why do they continue to use a literally meaningless measurement like drag racing to say how good a road car is? Let's be honest...99% of SS-V Redlines and Mustangs will ever go within a hundred clicks of a dragstrip. Who cares?

I'm reminded of a quote from years back about how American car magazines seemed overly concerned with who could get the highest G ratings on a circular track until it let go, as if that was a vital measurement of how "good" a car is.
They said "You could get the same G readings using a Morris Minor with welded up suspension and fat tyres...but you wouldn't want to drive it around the streets every day..."

[Sabantien]

I don't need back seats, I'll take the Mustang!

I'd actually like to see the Mustang up against an XR8 Sprint. Who cares about the commodore?

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Why do they continue to use a literally meaningless measurement like drag racing to say how good a road car is? Let's be honest...99% of SS-V Redlines and Mustangs will ever go within a hundred clicks of a dragstrip. Who cares?

I'm reminded of a quote from years back about how American car magazines seemed overly concerned with who could get the highest G ratings on a circular track until it let go, as if that was a vital measurement of how "good" a car is.
They said "You could get the same G readings using a Morris Minor with welded up suspension and fat tyres...but you wouldn't want to drive it around the streets every day..."

So what would you prefer, a comparison of rear vision camera clarity?

[MethodX]

Originally Posted by Sabantien

I don't need back seats, I'll take the Mustang!

I'd actually like to see the Mustang up against an XR8 Sprint. Who cares about the commodore?

I care... all the muscle cars from the Big 3 are important.

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

So what would you prefer, a comparison of rear vision camera clarity?

Maybe putting more importance on something that tests driveability, handling, chassis feel, NVH, and a hundred other real world things besides finding out which car can face the awesome challenge of which can get to the end of a short straight piece of road the quickest....

It's meaningless.

[GTP534]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Maybe putting more importance on something that tests driveability, handling, chassis feel, NVH, and a hundred other real world things besides finding out which car can face the awesome challenge of which can get to the end of a short straight piece of road the quickest....

It's meaningless.

You read the comparison in the magazine for that sort of thing. They may even comment on the seats and driving position.

[brebel]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Maybe putting more importance on something that tests driveability, handling, chassis feel, NVH, and a hundred other real world things besides finding out which car can face the awesome challenge of which can get to the end of a short straight piece of road the quickest....

It's meaningless.

It means a lot to a lot of people, it gives you information on engine performance, aren't most on this forum petrol heads, its not the prius forum is it?

[Sabantien]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Maybe putting more importance on something that tests driveability, handling, chassis feel, NVH, and a hundred other real world things besides finding out which car can face the awesome challenge of which can get to the end of a short straight piece of road the quickest....

It's meaningless.

We already know the driving position is too high and the plastics feel brittle.

[SpoolMan]

Any Ford out in front is a good thing..

[XtRmn8]

I also don't get the point of the direct comparison....

However I think the Australian motoring journalists should as a tribute to Holden/Ford do a 1000m drag race similar to the one below...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjLJ6i8iYJc

Lineup could be something like this:
- Holden Comodore SV6
- Holden Commodore SS
- Holden Commodore SSVR
- HSV Clubsport LSA
- HSV GTS LSA
- Ford Falcon XR8 Sprint
- Ford Falcon XR6T Sprint
- Ford Mustang GT
- Ford Falcon XR8
- Ford Falcon XR6T
- Ford Falcon XR6

Would be cool to the the GTS and Sprints go head to head over 1000m

[Dr Smith]

I thought it rather obvious no Holden is going to keep up with any Sprint and frankly only HSV's best is going to be some form of competition....even Ford's engineers said HSV was the benchmark for Sprints.

[GXL078]

Originally Posted by Express

You would if you had 3 teenage daughters sulking in the back.

Leave 'em at home.