Fatty Liver Anyone?

[damo76]

Hey, just want to know if anyone on here has a fatty liver? how there dealing with it or been cured? Experiences?

In my teens and 20s i was strong fit and invincible. But my diet was bad with eating 2 large pizzas for dinner, or 18 pieces of kfc at kfc all you can eat. and 2 litres of iced coffee a day no water.
I was 100 to 115kgs.
Last 5 years i have lost motorvation, gotten lazy, but diet was still the same.
Last 3 years i quit smoking and basically jumped to 150kgs and started getting some weird health problems.
Now i have got bad fatty liver from ultrasound and have had it for a long time.
I have now quit all fat, only veges and some lean meat, only maybe 2 slices of toast a day were it used to be 10.
Plus i got to the gym every day for an hour doing fat burning exersises and weights.
Hopefully I can get the weight off but would be good to hear id anyone else has this.
The old blokes were right, by saying your not invincible and it will catch up with you one day. lol I just thought they were stupid lol.

[QLD-Bluey]

Yeah I might have the same thing I think. I have had high iron in my blood for some years and they thought it may be Hemochromatosis (sp?), but after several blood tests and seeing a specialist they have told me to cut down on alcohol (kill me now) and lose weight (Im 130) but they seem to think it is a fatty liver as well. Im supposed to go for a MRI and a Fibroscan in December (this is going to cost me about $1000) and another appointment with the specialist in February.
I feel fine and cant notice any health problems and only picked it up after a blood test to get Life Insurance in which I was rejected due to the high iron.

[Franco Cozzo]

Yeah I've got the fatty liver too, I've been ignoring it though lol.

I've had it since 2007 or something.

[supershifty]

As with what QLD-Bluey said.

I eat a reasonably good diet of tucker but only eat once a day - not a big portion, usually meat and three veg or meat and salad for dinner. About 5'8" @ 98kg and type 2 diabetic.

I drink like a fish though, that's my downfall.

Fat on the liver has nothing to do with my food or being overweight, it's all to do with my liver having to deal with alcohol according to my doctor. Triglyceride levels I believe.

Cheers!

[marty351]

Time to lay off the salami burgers big damo. Lol.
Some days I feel my liver wanting to escape, mainly due to booze, have reduced salt intake, but don't eat enough fruit and veg. Ironically, tonight, walked into a new store and overhead customer talking to the owner about bill Clinton, how he went vegetarian and got rid of his cardio problems. I think just cutting down on bad fats, salt, portion control and a bit of regular exercise, you can eat normally and enjoy food, keep your liver healthy (drink moderately), and be happy. Nothing worse than restricting yourself to carrot and celery and crave that burger every day.

[damo76]

Originally Posted by QLD-Bluey

Yeah I might have the same thing I think. I have had high iron in my blood for some years and they thought it may be Hemochromatosis (sp?), but after several blood tests and seeing a specialist they have told me to cut down on alcohol (kill me now) and lose weight (Im 130) but they seem to think it is a fatty liver as well. Im supposed to go for a MRI and a Fibroscan in December (this is going to cost me about $1000) and another appointment with the specialist in February.
I feel fine and cant notice any health problems and only picked it up after a blood test to get Life Insurance in which I was rejected due to the high iron.

Gees thats a lot of money, the second ultrasound picked up i had fatty liver with high enzymes.

[damo76]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Yeah I've got the fatty liver too, I've been ignoring it though lol.

I've had it since 2007 or something.

I was ignoring it too trying to make myself think it will go away but it got worse.
On Sandra Cabot fatty liver diet and gym every day now.

[QLD-Bluey]

I will have to look that diet up. Specialist told me to lose weight and cut down beer. I tried a lot of mid strength beer, some of it taste like toilet water. That Coopers Mid 3.5 isnt a bad drop though.
I might add I drink lots of water during the day, have laid off the sugary drinks that I used to live on when I was a tradie years ago and have cut a lot of sugar out of my diet,.....except for the beer (MMMmmmmmmm, beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer). You would think that dumb liver would cut me a break!! LOL

[Stefan]

You don't have to go cold turkey, just get in a habit to eat well.

My diet is good, low carb, lean protein, but once a month I'll have a burger and chips, or a pizza, but I'll have a decent, not crappy maccas or dominos. I'll have coke once a month and really enjoy it, but the last one I had was starting to get sickly sweet so starting to no longer want it.

Yeah I'll have drink or two on a Friday, but don't need it.

Key is moderation and enjoy the treat.

When I quit smoking I didn't go cold turkey, just stopped but had one when I really wanted one. Six months later never wanted one again, make me want to puke now. That was 10 years ago.

Good luck, IMO baby steps will get you there. After a while you will crave more healthy treats..

[gossy]

Stefan is 100% correct.

It took years to put all that weight on, so don't expect to lose it overnight so to speak.


Moderation as everyone says, but exercise, correct diet & portion control I believe are the biggest contributing factors.

Even if today you fail and have a cheat meal (or three), get back into the right mindset tomorrow and start again. Soon enough as Stefan said, you will start craving healthier foods.

Also, keep your exercise varied, and try to incorporate at least 2 days of weights into your regime.

[supershifty]

I forgot to say in my last post that my weight had ballooned up to 135kg from 74kg after a bad motorcycle accident. Now I'm 98kg. Inactivity, boredom, lack of restraint and overeating caused this massive weight gain. I gradually gained weight over a number of years before I decided to do something about it.

Stefan and gossy are very correct in what they say - moderation and small steps.

I got bored with going for a walk for exercise, so pulled the treadly out from under the house and got it fixed up. There's plenty of bike/walking paths around my area, so I chuck the bike in the back of the ute and drive to the different ones and go for a ride.

Small steps indeed!

Cheers!

Edit: I still drink like a fish!

[QLD-Bluey]

Yep, you are all right!! I was 130kg a few years back and tried that Dukan diet along with an average of 2 gym sessions a week and I dropped nearly 25kg in six months and was feeling great with a positive mind set and eating good until my mother got ill and was admitted to hospital then juggling work and being a single Dad and visiting my mother in hospital for nearly 4 months it was back to bad (convenient) habits of fast food etc. Not to mention trying to drown all the feelings in beer. So I put it all back on, and some.
Time to get back on the horse and get that feeling back!!

[damo76]

Originally Posted by QLD-Bluey

I will have to look that diet up. Specialist told me to lose weight and cut down beer. I tried a lot of mid strength beer, some of it taste like toilet water. That Coopers Mid 3.5 isnt a bad drop though.
I might add I drink lots of water during the day, have laid off the sugary drinks that I used to live on when I was a tradie years ago and have cut a lot of sugar out of my diet,.....except for the beer (MMMmmmmmmm, beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer). You would think that dumb liver would cut me a break!! LOL

That low carb beer (pure blonde ) might be good, too many carbs isnt a good thing aparantly.

[damo76]

well weighed myself today, 146.3kgs so lost about 3kg this week already, backs killing me from gym though (stupid bulged disk) just have to go for bike ride today.
Thing is i don't drink, just way too many carbs and calories.

[BLUEYBA]

Originally Posted by damo76

well weighed myself today, 146.3kgs so lost about 3kg this week already, backs killing me from gym though (stupid bulged disk) just have to go for bike ride today.
Thing is i don't drink, just way too many carbs and calories.

Mate I was the same weigth 142kgs. I have now lost 30kgs and feel heaps better and the fatty liver is now gone and heaps better. All the numbers in the blood test are heaps better as well as the blood pressure.
The big things you need to be really careful with is the amount of carbs and the amount of sugars. Sugar actually affects the same part of the brain as drugs do that make you feel good and want more and then get addicted to.
You need to eat more protein than carbs as they fill you up and make you feel full longer. you also need to be aware of how much and what you're eating. I used to eat fast as well and this isn't good either.

[damo76]

Good to hear you have sorted yours out
Sounds like me, i scoff my food down as if someone is going to steel it from me, not sure why always been like that.

Thing is i like my eggs and i think eggs are the best way to get my protein, thing is the doc says ' no no only have 1 a week.
But this Sandra Cabot Fatty liver book says have a couple eggs for breakfast every morning is good for the liver and if your hungry at anytime there is nothing wrong with having another egg or 2.
Ever since i have started this.. journey.. all i have found is contradicting info about every food out there.
I just make my own diet, seems to be working so far

[QLD-Bluey]

Originally Posted by damo76

Good to hear you have sorted yours out
Sounds like me, i scoff my food down as if someone is going to steel it from me, not sure why always been like that.

Thing is i like my eggs and i think eggs are the best way to get my protein, thing is the doc says ' no no only have 1 a week.
But this Sandra Cabot Fatty liver book says have a couple eggs for breakfast every morning is good for the liver and if your hungry at anytime there is nothing wrong with having another egg or 2.
Ever since i have started this.. journey.. all i have found is contradicting info about every food out there.
I just make my own diet, seems to be working so far

How is your cholesterol? That Dukan diet it did promotes a lot of eggs as well and I asked my doctor about this and having 1 sometimes 2 eggs a day and she said it would be fine as my cholesterol is low.

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by damo76

Good to hear you have sorted yours out
Sounds like me, i scoff my food down as if someone is going to steel it from me, not sure why always been like that.

Grab a book and read while you eat, that should help

[BLUEYBA]

Originally Posted by damo76

Good to hear you have sorted yours out
Sounds like me, i scoff my food down as if someone is going to steel it from me, not sure why always been like that.

Thing is i like my eggs and i think eggs are the best way to get my protein, thing is the doc says ' no no only have 1 a week.
But this Sandra Cabot Fatty liver book says have a couple eggs for breakfast every morning is good for the liver and if your hungry at anytime there is nothing wrong with having another egg or 2.
Ever since i have started this.. journey.. all i have found is contradicting info about every food out there.
I just make my own diet, seems to be working so far

that's the thing. there's no one diet that works for everyone. We're all different and we have find what works best for us. I find with diets is as soon as I say I'm on a diet my brain thinks I can't have fast food so I want them more. Never say you can't have something but just try to limit. easier said than done tho.
with the info everyone has their own agenda and are trying to sell you a book or diet plan or something. that makes it really hard. I have a few eggs a week, I been told they do have cholesterol but its the good fats that we need.

[QLD-Bluey]

There was a good episode on this just last night on Catalyst which you can watch on ABC iview!!

[damo76]

Originally Posted by QLD-Bluey

How is your cholesterol? That Dukan diet it did promotes a lot of eggs as well and I asked my doctor about this and having 1 sometimes 2 eggs a day and she said it would be fine as my cholesterol is low.

Cholesterol is a bit on the high side aparantly, thats probably why he said 1 a week .

[Mechan1k]

Yeah there's a few things to avoid with Cholesterol though.
Unfortunately no matter what I eat ... my liver doesn't clean the cholesterol out that it should ... hence being on statin medication since I was 12 (when my Father died from a heart attack when he was 40).

Mind you ... I have been lax with my diet for a while and it shows ... and i need to turn it around. I need to get off my rear end and exercise mainly ... that's what has been lacking for a while with me.

[damo76]

Feeling a bit disheartened.
I have been eating well, salads, fruit, vege's, ect, and hitting the gym everyday.
The gym workouts consist of mostly fat burning cardio like fast walking for 20mins, cycling for 15mins and some weight exersizes, anyway i was told that it's not good as too much cardio is not good for me.
WTF they recommend 30mins min exersise daily but if i do the gym everyday i will eventually burn less calories.
Gees its too complicated, i just want to push myself and burn tons of fat.
I have lost 4kgs this week alone but what is one supposed to to with all these cant do this cant do that crap?
How am i supposed to work out what is RIGHT for max fat burn.
What i don't get is if i don't go to the gym everyday how am i supposed to burn my daily meals? don't get it...

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by damo76

Feeling a bit disheartened.
I have been eating well, salads, fruit, vege's, ect, and hitting the gym everyday.
The gym workouts consist of mostly fat burning cardio like fast walking for 20mins, cycling for 15mins and some weight exersizes, anyway i was told that it's not good as too much cardio is not good for me.
WTF they recommend 30mins min exersise daily but if i do the gym everyday i will eventually burn less calories.
Gees its too complicated, i just want to push myself and burn tons of fat.
I have lost 4kgs this week alone but what is one supposed to to with all these cant do this cant do that crap?
How am i supposed to work out what is RIGHT for max fat burn.
What i don't get is if i don't go to the gym everyday how am i supposed to burn my daily meals? don't get it...

It can be overwhelming, just be patient. Four kilos is heaps and chances are you won't maintain that initial weight loss and as the weeks go by not even come close to that.

Repeat your diet and exercise routine next week and compare the results. I've never heard that cardio was no good for fat burning. Having said that, a weight session here and there won't hurt, especially if you target a large muscle group like legs or back. But I wouldn't bother with that for now, only when you hit a plateau down the track.

Just don't rush it. When things get rushed they usually end in pain and tears.

Ohh...and the best way to weigh yourself is: Get a good set of digital scales. First thing in the morning, without consuming anything and doing ones and twos, is weigh yourself starkers either once a day or week. Don't weigh yourself 8 times a day.

[QLD-Bluey]

Keep it up mate......slow and steady!! Get ready for the spikes and plateaus as well. Some weeks you will lose heaps and sometimes you wont lose any,......but you have to keep at it!!

[Batmobile]

The only advise , for what it is worth .. Often , those choosing to lose weight, spend too much time focused on the scales , yet what they fail to realize , is , if they 're doing both a cardio and floor weight session , they will get fitter , and in general put on muscle weight , leading to either, a higher scale weight or similar scale weight reading , but they fail to realize , that they 've most likely achieved their aim of losing fat - which is what most of us are seeking to achieve .
Your body weight, is make up in general terms , water weight, active tissue & bone weight and fat ... There isn't much you can do about your bone and active tissue weight , but you can monitor and change your water absorption / weight, muscle and fat
A healthy body , should be looking to increase the water weight , maintain active tissue weight, improve muscle and reduce fat - you are NOT able to tell this from your average weight scales
If one a serious issue with body fat , then they should seek the assistance of
professional health consultant , who will monitor your respective movement in
weight .
It is hard and long road , but if done correctly , shouldn't be any reason why it should be fun and achieveable both in the short and long term

[graphicgoose]

At Christmas time I went to see the doctor and I had fatty liver, ridiculously high blood pressure, thyroid function issues, well on my way to diabetes etc. etc. I'm fairly short (176cm) and weighed 121kg. Was the worst I'd ever felt in my life!

I knew things needed to change, and I lost 6kg by March by watching what I ate...but that wasn't enough to sort out my health. I jumped on the Optifast program mid march and decided to push myself as hard as I could for the initial 12 weeks (which are the most intensive) of it and dropped 34.5kg in 12 weeks. I was playing squash for at least an hour a day while on site and tried to play 2 - 3 times a week on break in Perth. So in total I lost 40.5kg. since Christmas. I felt amazing and all my blood work at which point came back sweet. So it CAN be done, and your body will definitely thank you for it!

Unfortunately for me, I ended up putting about 8kg back on since then, but I'm currently working on losing that as I hate how it's been making me feel sluggish and "blergh".

[Bearman]

Batmobile has it right. Don't get hung up on what the scales tell you.

The barometer for me is how my clothes fit. I have noticed my work clothes getting loose on me so I don't need scales to tell me my weight is reducing.

I've always been a fat bastard and dedicated couch potato so now I have started going to the gym with a personal trainer keeping an eye on me. Had to get a doctors clearance. Couldn't get a more foreign environment for me but I felt comfortable from the get go. All sorts of shapes and sizes in there and nobody gives a stuff about what you're doing, everyone is just focussed on what they are trying to achieve.

I have no medical issues so the time is right before something crops up. Doing nothing could potentially lead to developing type 2 diabetes which is the last thing I need. I have a good mate who struggles with it.

[OCTANEBOSS]

Fatty liver yes, high blood pressure, higher than recommended cholesterol yes, lack of motivation yes, enjoy my tucker yes, enjoy a few beers ( average 3-4 per day) 124 kg the heaviest Ive ever been now at 46 yrs old. 25 years ogo I was 71 kg. I havent worked since Easter after a Quad accident which is not helping and cant do much at the moment, just had a bit of keyhole surgery on the right shoulder. I have had the Optifast sitting on the bench for the last week untouched, no good starting it Bathurst weekend I thought

I did loose 20 kg in about 8 months once about 10 yrs ago, was working on a remote mine site on permanent night shift 4&1, ate ****loads of roast pork & veg, desserts, fruit for breakfast and crib, for tea was 8 bacon, 3-4 eggs on toast with veggie, baked beans & a couple cans of VB. The strongest Ive felt in ages. The key I think was the activity, we were re- straking tanks so it was up and down 12 mtr scaffold every night welding **** & hammering ****. Became a supervisor after that, see ya 92R bring on the 107st .

Dont give up Damo, Im not gunna let it beat me,

Dean

[graphicgoose]

Some good personal insight in this thread, great stuff fellas! The biggest thing I found was how much of my issues were in my head. I didn't fully realise at the time, but I suffered pretty heavily from depression and anxiety for years and this was what was really holding me back. I used food, subconsciously, as a coping mechanism...which only made me feel worse and pushed me further and further into the rut I was in. Wasn't until I started getting help to deal with my headspace that I was finally able to commit to doing something drastic about my health/weight.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, your mental and physical health are intrinsically linked. If you're struggling with one, don't be afraid to seek help with the other. It may seem like a sign of weakness admitting you need help with it, but it's really not. Takes more guts to admit it, and the pros of doing so far outweigh the cons.