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06-01-2014, 03:25 PM | #1 | ||
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I believe they said a camry is what $4000 dearer to make here than in their other plants. That means there's no chance. Sad day.
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06-01-2014, 05:24 PM | #2 | ||
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06-01-2014, 05:40 PM | #3 | |||
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to another plant elsewhere that already has those savings built in....... Looks like the more cars Toyota makes and exports, the bigger the loss it makes... Last edited by jpd80; 06-01-2014 at 05:49 PM. |
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06-01-2014, 06:10 PM | #4 | ||
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On the back of Ford and Holden this was coming, the fact the parts suppliers are already decimated from Ford and Holden this makes it a certainty.
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06-01-2014, 06:20 PM | #5 | ||
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Yep, I think Toyota said the final decision will be made in June from memory???
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06-01-2014, 07:05 PM | #6 | ||
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Yep june is when Toyota global dishes or the contracts for the exports of camrys to the middle east.
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06-01-2014, 07:07 PM | #7 | ||
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I'm sorry, where is the topic that is in the heading? "Toyota gone too if their export contact not renewed. abc report."???. Eveything posted in here seems to be for another topic??
I assume you meant contract? What contract was lost & where is the ABC report? |
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06-01-2014, 07:36 PM | #8 | |||
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06-01-2014, 07:46 PM | #9 | ||
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It really paints a picture of automotive manufacturing in Australia if you can sell the most cars above all else and still do so at a loss.
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06-01-2014, 08:01 PM | #10 | |||
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Dowling has joined in, determined to sink the final boot into Toyota now that Ford and GMH are dead.
Also, unlike the other two, the unions will have played a lead role in the demise. Quote:
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06-01-2014, 08:12 PM | #11 | ||
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Maybe News Ltd should import car reviews from Thailand and do away with the local staff, that would save them heaps.....
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06-01-2014, 08:14 PM | #12 | ||
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To a dill like me it reads........
"Dear Mr Abbott, please be advised that if you don't subsidise us poor japs that are building our pretty ordinary vehicles here in Altona, then we is up tents and away camels... And we MEAN SUBSIDISE!!! Not piddles like GMH & Ford got each year from govco.. We want REAL bucks!!! Only one of us left now Mr Abbott.. Picture the next election Mr Abbott... The two remaining Australian auto makers GONE on YOUR watch! Now we've gone public with our cry for help, are you going to tip in or what" Or did I misread????
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06-01-2014, 08:27 PM | #13 | |||
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Toyota has repeatedly insisted that it needs to cut the cost of each car made at Altona by around $4,000 and that it has made significant progress in doing so but for the need to change worker conditions in order to improve productivity. A new EBA was a key prerequisite for securing the necessary investment beyond 2018. The workers/AMWU failed the test. They will wear this. |
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06-01-2014, 08:32 PM | #14 | ||
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"While your at it Mr Abbott, as well as our required subsidies... We'd be appreciative it if you also silence those whining bloody unions.... Cut em off at the knees.. You know, like the bikie laws?
Easy Mr Abbott... Ring Qld and get some tips? Oh... One more thing Mr Abbott.. From the new financial year, we'd like to pay the poor petrified troglodytes that still exist building our crap in Altona... YEN instead of Aus. Dollars.. Got IT Mr Abbott?" Last edited by Charliewool; 06-01-2014 at 08:40 PM. |
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06-01-2014, 08:33 PM | #15 | ||
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They are gone. Anybody who thinks otherwise hasn't got a good grasp of reality.
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06-01-2014, 09:49 PM | #16 | ||
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If toyota cant make a buck in oz, the other 2 didnt have a chance in hell,
kudos to the three car makers for lasting as long as they have, and especially ford who had the most parts content in the local cars. |
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06-01-2014, 11:08 PM | #17 | ||
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Here's a thought, how about Toyota Aust. charge it's Mid. East Toyota customer more for it's cars. Has anyone thought that if hard nosed Toyota has been happy to export at a loss for so long then maybe it suits it's global financial P&L statement regardless of what is claimed in Australia. The Australian government actually will be better off with only Toyota remaining and receiving some form of assistance post 2016/17. They can spend less then what they currently do, and yet Toyota can receive more then what it does now as it could be the only manufacturer to remain.
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07-01-2014, 12:57 AM | #19 | ||
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The bigger point is that with Toyota's international price transferring abilities and known past history employing them who really knows what goes on.
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07-01-2014, 07:46 AM | #20 | |||
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07-01-2014, 01:09 PM | #21 | ||
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Mr.Buttner also stated that they are well on their way to achieving savings of $3800 per car. It is just the next round that is proving hard to meet.
They are also quoting the "high dollar" of 2012! The dollar is getting to it's lowest point since 2009. Hmmm. Seems like we have many Dowlings on this forum determined to bury what is left!
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07-01-2014, 01:46 PM | #22 | ||
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Sounds like Toyota want the unions to wear it on this one. The thing is, they wanted to change the conditions of the EBA when it is up for renegotiation in 18 months, why not just wait? Unless of course closure is imminent and you need to reduce your closure costs.
There is more to this than idiot Dowling is reporting. Yes, unions are being stubborn, but there is a lot of mistrust between Toyota and it's employees. Remember, Ford and Holden did not have to employ security guards when they had downbalances, Toyota did.......
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07-01-2014, 03:18 PM | #24 | ||
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It's actually only 16 months, so it's not really that far away and they can re-negotiate legally. What they are wanting to do now isn't, and the reason why the courts ruled against them.
Toyota are absolutely trying to hammer the union at the moment and break them. They are ruthless. And they wonder why the employees are getting narky and fighting back. Some of the stories i'm hearing out of Altona at the moment have totally made me shake my head. Management are a discrace there. Bullying is rampant. Japan want Altona to be just like the Japanese servant and master culture and Australians just won't hack that. |
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The market is changing for the worse and rapidly. The union would prefer to stick its head in the sand and pretend it's not. |
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As I said, there is more to this story than is being reported. In the next ten years, everything unions fought for will disappear as we try to compete on a global level. Shift allowances and overtime rates are being targeted now, next they will try to scale back holidays and increase working hours. I am not trying to be a union alarmist, just trying to point out that our conditions are what make us uncompetitive, and much like the US, we will have to lose those rights and "perks" so that we can rejoin the world export trade and compete once more.
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Being made redundant gives them a payout for sure but also puts them on the job hunt, along with the rest of their industry. All of a sudden there is a massive excess of employees for scarce employment, massive job competition and employers will be able to offer bargain basement rates, Im estimating massively below their current rates and benefit offers. And a redundancy payment wont last forever, so the majority will have to find alternate employment. (my industry has seen 30% reduction in new salary down to the 'new norm' as the buble burst) Staying put and helping keep the plant operational and making profit will have short term pain but may have long term gain as each employee will not be starting at the bottom of the pile again in new jobs. Of course if it is Toyotas goal of leaving they are screwed! JP |
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