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06-01-2014, 02:10 PM | #1 | ||
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Ford 2013 2012
Ford EcoSport 128 0 Ford Escape 0 48 Ford Falcon 1,224 1,111 Ford Falcon Ute 362 369 Ford Fiesta 445 879 Ford Focus 1,221 1,915 Ford Kuga 378 145 Ford Mondeo 292 511 Ford Ranger 4X2 387 465 Ford Ranger 4X4 1,254 1,173 Ford Territory 1,124 891 Ford Transit 13 42 Ford Transit Bus 0 3 Ford Transit Heavy 44 56 Ford Total 6,872 7,608 Change -9.7% Holden 2013 2012 Holden Barina 739 829 Holden Barina Spark 105 35 Holden Caprice 84 101 Holden Captiva 5 468 575 Holden Captiva 7 852 944 Holden Colorado 4X2 352 249 Holden Colorado 4X4 1,288 1,107 Holden Colorado 7 142 177 Holden Combo 0 8 Holden Commodore 2,548 2,198 Holden Cruze 1,462 1,904 Holden Epica 0 0 Holden Malibu 194 0 Holden Monaro 0 0 Holden Trax 409 0 Holden Utility 4X2 504 560 Holden Volt 3 40 Holden Total 9,150 8,727 Change 4.8% Hyundai 2013 2012 Hyundai Accent 375 523 Hyundai Elantra 508 676 Hyundai Grandeur 0 0 Hyundai i20 1,237 1,182 Hyundai i30 2,547 2,250 Hyundai i40 237 246 Hyundai I45 0 247 Hyundai iLOAD 331 514 Hyundai iMAX 145 58 Hyundai ix35 1,747 1,051 Hyundai Santa Fe 412 548 Hyundai Veloster 208 449 Hyundai Total 7,747 7,744 Change 0% Jeep 2013 2012 Jeep Cherokee 0 134 Jeep Compass 414 293 Jeep Grand Cherokee 1,431 794 Jeep Patriot 147 178 Jeep Wrangler 219 212 Jeep Total 2,211 1,611 Change 37.2% Mazda 2013 2012 Mazda BT-50 4X2 320 280 Mazda BT-50 4X4 725 622 Mazda CX-5 1,574 1,506 Mazda CX-7 0 1 Mazda CX-9 355 479 Mazda MX5 19 17 Mazda RX8 0 0 Mazda2 985 1,389 Mazda3 4,022 4,649 Mazda6 526 611 Mazda Total 8,526 9,554 Change -10.8% Toyota 2013 2012 Toyota 86 423 375 Toyota Aurion 1,046 1,255 Toyota Camry (4 cyl) 3,534 3,586 Toyota Coaster 18 26 Toyota Corolla 3,704 3,543 Toyota FJ Cruiser 179 214 Toyota Hiace Bus 142 144 Toyota Hiace Van 619 535 Toyota Hilux 4X2 951 804 Toyota Hilux 4X4 2,523 2,316 Toyota Kluger 1,321 1,199 Toyota Landcruiser PU/CC 710 597 Toyota Landcruiser Wagon 591 905 Toyota Prado 1,065 1,313 Toyota Prius 37 78 Toyota Prius C 154 208 Toyota Prius V 62 184 Toyota RAV4 1,388 1,789 Toyota Rukus 28 66 Toyota Tarago 64 84 Toyota Yaris 1,051 1,948 Toyota Total 19,610 21,169 Change -7.4% Volkswagen 2013 2012 Volkswagen Amarok 4X2 64 109 Volkswagen Amarok 4X4 334 747 Volkswagen Caddy Van 137 111 Volkswagen Caddy/Camper 15 25 Volkswagen Caravelle 20 4 Volkswagen CC 46 62 Volkswagen Crafter 13 116 Volkswagen Eos 61 65 Volkswagen Golf 1,861 1,170 Volkswagen Golf Cabriolet 36 79 Volkswagen Jetta 339 217 Volkswagen Multivan 51 67 Volkswagen New Beetle Cabrio 0 0 Volkswagen Passat 213 185 Volkswagen Passat Alltrack 52 76 Volkswagen Polo 593 926 Volkswagen Scirocco 31 40 Volkswagen The Beetle 53 0 Volkswagen Tiguan 475 418 Volkswagen Touareg 126 85 Volkswagen Transporter 105 125 Volkswagen Up! 50 56 Volkswagen Total 4,675 4,683 change -0.2%
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06-01-2014, 03:36 PM | #2 | ||
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Falcon/Territory/ute platform did quite well with 2710 sales compared to the Commodore and ute sales of 3052. Considering how old the Falcon is, the Commodore isn't exactly setting the world on fire.
I am worried about Fiesta and Mondeo sales though.
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06-01-2014, 03:39 PM | #3 | ||
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Good numbers for Falcon and Territory considering the plant would have closed a few days short of the full month (when did it shutdown?)
Fiesta and Ranger WTF is going on Ford...
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06-01-2014, 03:43 PM | #4 | ||
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Ford should be concerned with their import numbers...
Without the Aussie content its really going to **** them!
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06-01-2014, 04:24 PM | #5 | ||
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06-01-2014, 04:28 PM | #6 | ||
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Fiesta, Focus and Ranger simple answer. Ford's marketing is woeful at best. WZ fiesta has been out for 7 weeks albeit in Ambiente and Trend models. Ecosport now nearly a month and no ads. All that's been is a couple of billboards and electronic marketing. Make a car sound exciting and it will sell!!!!!.
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06-01-2014, 04:46 PM | #7 | ||
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With exception of Ranger 4x4, oneFord crashing and burning while the locally produced Fords hold the side up compared to December last year. 39.4% of volume from production which will close in 2016. Those new imports better be good!
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06-01-2014, 05:01 PM | #8 | ||
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year to date 2013 cars sold in Australia
highest sales in oz but lowest oz content http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/a...106-30cq2.html Top 10 countries of origin 1 Japan - 362,058 2 Thailand - 228,479 3 South Korea - 134,953 4 Australia - 118,510 5 Germany - 75,883 6 US - 35,916 7 England - 35,106 8 India - 19,794 9 Czech Republic - 19,232 10 Spain - 16,300
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06-01-2014, 05:22 PM | #9 | ||
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Wow, the only model that outsold the Falcon was the Ranger, and it wasn't by much.
I hope Ford pull their finger out by 2016..... |
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06-01-2014, 06:05 PM | #10 | |||
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06-01-2014, 06:11 PM | #11 | ||
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From the USA, December 2013
Chevrolet SS........239 Caprice PPV.........412 And 2500 odd sales for local VF Commodore..... the honeymoon sure is over. |
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06-01-2014, 06:39 PM | #12 | ||
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I partially agree. I think the concept is great and I know a lot of non-car people find it funny but my biggest issue with it is that it doesn't actually explain what "Active city stop" is.
I think many would be impressed you have radar guided auto brakes in a humble Focus but to anyone Active City Stop could be ABS brakes, or EBD. All they needed was a few seconds of computer generated imaging... A great idea Ford, but they didn't follow through with it. *shakes head* |
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06-01-2014, 06:55 PM | #13 | ||
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I still believe when Ford quit manufacturing in OZ we will see a rapid decline in Ford sales. Once the belief from Ford OZ has waned and we become a 'research only hub' watch the people walk. People are still buying Ford Ute, Territory and Falcon. Have a look Ford OZ the numbers don't lie!!
So it beggars the question what will those people buy going forward. My tip is nothing Ford related as there is nothing that suits their purpose. People generally buy cars because they are fit for purpose. I buy Falcon ute because it is a great car, I can load heaps in the back, drives like a sedan(disc brakes all round for me in 2014 thanks), easy access being low to the ground, heaps of grunt, great fuel economy and on and on I can go. A Ranger is not fit for purpose for me as it's mere size is way to large to fit in my garage so misses out on that mere fact. So I guess Ford will soon see whether this exercise in economics works. My guess is there will be much more pain to come for them when they retire Falcon, Falcon Ute, GT, GS and Territory. These are all tremendous vehicles but simple lack of will sees them relegated to history. |
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06-01-2014, 06:56 PM | #14 | ||
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I cant believe so many people are buying the i20, that has to be the biggest selling POS on the roads.
Hyundai have certainly done well with boosting the image of the brand, although in the US it appears it is just a honeymoon, as they arent getting repeat buyers.
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06-01-2014, 07:01 PM | #15 | ||
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Falcon: A model that is very old, has low levels of technology & apparently no-one wants somehow still managed to out sell the Focus & Fiesta!! And the Falcon has a much higher selling price point too.
Seriously Ford, I hope you know what you are doing!! |
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06-01-2014, 08:42 PM | #19 | |||
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I think ongoing serious problems with the dual clutch powershift automated transmissions in Focus and Fiesta is leading to word of mouth bad history stories. Sales on these two are down down down. And on the manual gearbox front with these two models for gods sale ford when are you going to make them available with a 6 speed manual. |
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06-01-2014, 08:49 PM | #20 | ||
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Ford probably doesn't care if the total sales drop after falcon, as the imports profit margins won't be propping up the losses for local cars so the bottom line will probably be better, even though they're selling less.
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06-01-2014, 09:43 PM | #22 | ||
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Ford must stop Euro pricing their cars. People know they aren't Audi.BMW MB quality.they are good but not that good. Focus , Kuga And Mondeo Titanium are $5k overpriced.
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06-01-2014, 10:06 PM | #23 | |||
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Either way, the locals provided about 40% of Ford's market share last month. Just like the month before it. Now we find out that the new Mondeo, which is supposed to replace Falcon in part, won't be coming here until 2015. Like I said earlier, WTF Ford...
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Focus Trend autos are like $20,600 drive away at the moment... Find me a better car for less money?? Mondeo Zetec Ecoboost for $28,990??? Same! Kuga trend Ecoboost AWD demos $34k... Seriously it's not pricing, it's marketing and peoples lack in trust of Ford dealers that has busted the brand.
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07-01-2014, 12:40 AM | #25 | ||
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DASH GT..I only said the Titanium models..not the Ambiente or Trend models.
If the Focus Titanium was $29,990 drive away Instead of around $35k..Metro's have 2 at $32k drive away. and same goes for the Kuga and Mondeo Titanium models. Rockhampton Ford have Fiesta's for $13990 drive away. Lets have some good ads. Latest Focus ad !!! camaraderie ??!!????? Toyota Corolla, VW Family ads are good ads..explain the car..? Doesn't Ford market research their ads ??? seen the UK Focus ads ?? never get on tv ,here.... Realistic pricing, with appropriate ads and lets see what happens...
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There's a good chance that once ford aus is finally gone, and it's left up too FORD to brand and sell the cars....the budget should open up to match the funding for advertising to match other big brands. People forget.....ALL fords in Ustralia are advertised on a ford aus budjet.....which is zip atm?
Here's hoping anyway. Amoung my non car enthusiast friends, ford is seen and commented on equally if not better then most brands. (Be interesting to see what other peoples non car enthusiast friends think) !! |
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07-01-2014, 09:28 AM | #27 | ||
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the locally produced numbers that we are seeing for December, they aren't a true reflection. I wont details why but trust me. They are glorified sales.
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Are you referring to Falcon and Territory for that matter, and why there are so many registered but not driven of the two mentioned for sale at dealer's at the moment, 2013 stock ???.
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07-01-2014, 10:46 AM | #29 | ||
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Ford lease vehicles and FoF deal I'd bet...
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07-01-2014, 10:49 AM | #30 | ||
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That's not right either. Was something else so unique, I haven't seen it happen before. I am done with this topic. lets just say, its unlikely focus will lose to falcon again.
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