Salisbury Council to only buy Holdens

[csv8]

SALISBURY Council has thrown its support behind northern manufacturing by pledging to only buy Holden cars.

Deputy mayor Chad Buchanan, who successfully moved the motion, said it was important local government supported manufacturing, which employed 10,447 locals, including more than 1000 at Holden's Elizabeth plant.

"We are committing council only employs Holden vehicles in its fleet," Cr Buchanan said at the April 29 meeting.

"It is investment in manufacturing and it leads to job security."

The move will apply to the council's 114 fleet cars.

It already has 36 Holdens with the remainder made up of Fords and Toyotas.

Cr Buchanan said Salisbury needed to be proactive because a closure of Holden would cripple the area and take generations to fix.

The motion contained a promise the council's passenger vehicle fleet be Holden-made.

The only exception would be if the council needed a specialised vehicle, such as a truck, which Holden did not make.

It comes as Holden announced last month it would shed 400 jobs through voluntary redundancies at its Elizabeth manufacturing plant.

Cr David Balaza said adopting a buy local policy should have been done years ago.

Cr Alex Coates said more measures to protect the future employment of Holden workers needed to be taken.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/s...-1226634441761

[Tonz]

Unfortunately they are all in dream land, If they lease their vehicles yes every 12-18 months but theyre only leasing what they can get.
If buying?...OK possible senario....
114 cars over 18 months = 6.3 a month lets X that buy 200 councils = 1260 holdens a month .... oh sure that will have GM (USA) leaping in the air with excitment its a drop in the bucket.

The writing was on the wall 5-8 years ago thats when governments should have been reacting not now cause its election time.

Sorry its too late, even if by a fat chance labor gets back in (another joke) and they supposedly guarantee financial backing USA have still to say yes "lets stay in Australia" Its basiclly cost, theres a bigger market in Asia than here, labour in Asia is quarter of here.

Anyone else prepared to put money on the table re holdens future.

$20.00 (my business is almost folded) (nothing to do with vehicles)says they will also be going. overseas.

my 2 bobs worth and rant over.

[Road_Warrior]

Taken as a collective, the local government sector nationwide has the lowest numbers of Australian made vehicles in their fleets. Far below Federal and State/Territory governments.

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...257A760022B7AC

[hodge_williams]

this ^^^^

Problem is we are not a patriotic country. Look at the US, everything is support US, support the troops, support our brands.

The biggest brands over there are their own.

No1 selling car - F150.

[FGII-XR6]

So what you are saying is they are supporting Holden not just local manufacturing. this sounds like a preference rather than supporting local production for a number of reasons

1. there are 3 local manufacturers not one
2. Holden is not an Australian company but a part of a US company
3. saying they will only buy Holden is not saying all their cars are locally produced Holden import a lot of models
4. the Commodore has less local content than the Falcon
5. Toyota & Ford have models that are aimed at the environment Falcon LPI and Ecoboost and the Camry hybrid where Holden have no locally produced car in this category.
6. All their trayback utes will be imports as there is no trayback dunnydore

If he wants Holdens because he likes them that's his choice but don't try to kid us it's to support local production

Originally Posted by csv8

SALISBURY Council has thrown its support behind northern manufacturing by pledging to only buy Holden cars.

Deputy mayor Chad Buchanan, who successfully moved the motion, said it was important local government supported manufacturing, which employed 10,447 locals, including more than 1000 at Holden's Elizabeth plant.

"We are committing council only employs Holden vehicles in its fleet," Cr Buchanan said at the April 29 meeting.

"It is investment in manufacturing and it leads to job security."

The move will apply to the council's 114 fleet cars.

It already has 36 Holdens with the remainder made up of Fords and Toyotas.

Cr Buchanan said Salisbury needed to be proactive because a closure of Holden would cripple the area and take generations to fix.

The motion contained a promise the council's passenger vehicle fleet be Holden-made.

The only exception would be if the council needed a specialised vehicle, such as a truck, which Holden did not make.

It comes as Holden announced last month it would shed 400 jobs through voluntary redundancies at its Elizabeth manufacturing plant.

Cr David Balaza said adopting a buy local policy should have been done years ago.

Cr Alex Coates said more measures to protect the future employment of Holden workers needed to be taken.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/s...-1226634441761

[Ducati888]

Precisely au3xr6.

Which Holden cars are they going to buy? They only have a choice of two types in reality otherwise it's imports.

Secondly - what kept them? Holden has been the lifeblood of Salisbury since the 60's. Why have they only just now decided to serve themselves? When it's arguably too late anyway?

Is there an upcoming council election in SA?

[BENT_8]

Salisbury Council is in SA, there is only 1 local manufacturer in SA, it is Holden.

Holden make Commodore sedan, Sports wagon, Commodore Ute, Cruze sedan and hatch, 5 in total in a number of equipment levels.
There will obviously be some voids which will be filled with imported Holden product, it is still money in the local employers parent company coffers.
This is a show of support going forward, better than nothing.

This decision is about supporting a company which employs many Salisbury Council residents.
These residents pay rates.
This is a win for all concerned.

The only whingers are those without a locally built model post 2016...

[Trevor 57]

All Australian (and State and Territory) Governments and Government bodies, like schools, hospitals, etc should have been forced to buy local manufactured cars, but I think the horse has bolted now

[Silver Ghia]

Originally Posted by csv8

SALISBURY Council has thrown its support behind northern manufacturing by pledging to only buy Holden cars.

Deputy mayor Chad Buchanan, who successfully moved the motion, said it was important local government supported manufacturing, which employed 10,447 locals, including more than 1000 at Holden's Elizabeth plant.

"We are committing council only employs Holden vehicles in its fleet," Cr Buchanan said at the April 29 meeting.

"It is investment in manufacturing and it leads to job security."

The move will apply to the council's 114 fleet cars.

It already has 36 Holdens with the remainder made up of Fords and Toyotas.

Cr Buchanan said Salisbury needed to be proactive because a closure of Holden would cripple the area and take generations to fix.

The motion contained a promise the council's passenger vehicle fleet be Holden-made.

The only exception would be if the council needed a specialised vehicle, such as a truck, which Holden did not make.

It comes as Holden announced last month it would shed 400 jobs through voluntary redundancies at its Elizabeth manufacturing plant.

Cr David Balaza said adopting a buy local policy should have been done years ago.

Cr Alex Coates said more measures to protect the future employment of Holden workers needed to be taken.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/s...-1226634441761

So I hope they have considered that not all Holdens are made in Australia, and they are limiting themselves ONLY to the locally made Commodores and Cruzes, not the other models made in Korea etc.

But with regard to the Cruzes, how much Australian content is in those anyway?

[302 XC]

Its really beyond too little too late, these lame excuses are bordering on funny
For decades and decades government and councils have been buying whatever comes along at the best price, regardless of country of origin,now aussie industries are on their last half leg, they want to be seen to be doing the right thing
They need to be torn a new one for being part blame in the ailing industries
Years ago we were all proud to be an aussie, supported aussie made, now the only thing aussie made in the household is probably the kids .....

[FGII-XR6]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

This is a win for all concerned.

The only whingers are those without a locally built model post 2016...

and of course you know why I think this is a cynical popularity grab by a politician playing a fake game. !!!! this is nothing to do with Ford ceasing production but it gives me an idea how your mind works by thinking that. you may have noticed I mentioned 2 not one competitor with local product better able to cover local content but don't let that get in the way of calling those that don't worship Holden whingers

[burnz]

Originally Posted by au3xr6

and of course you know why I think this is a cynical popularity grab by a politician playing a fake game. !!!! this is nothing to do with Ford ceasing production but it gives me an idea how your mind works by thinking that. you may have noticed I mentioned 2 not one competitor with local product better able to cover local content but don't let that get in the way of calling those that don't worship Holden whingers

114 cars, 32 are holden!
the rest is "ford and Toyota"..
sounds local to me.

[FGII-XR6]

Originally Posted by burnz

114 cars, 32 are holden!
the rest is "ford and Toyota"..
sounds local to me.

yes but the new policy rules out Ford and Toyota for future purchases regardless of local content all vehicles will be Holden. hardly a balanced or sane approach to assisting local production seeing it will actually reduce local content

[BENT_8]

They have said they will buy Holden, Holden is the Australian arm of GM. Where have they said they will buy GM products if Holden don't have it...they didn't.
They said they will look elsewhere.

au3xr6, you and silver ghia have both indicated the lack of local content in the Cruze, I ask, what does local content have to do with assembly jobs at Elizabeth?

That reference there says an aweful lot about your thought process too.
You would rather bag Holden than praise the Salisbury Council for atleast trying.

The gesture is not in the wording, it is in the ideal that its decision might impact on the wider community, and maybe lead by example with a lot of private business and buyers alike.

One of the things that I have noticed in the last few years is that many small business owners in the Eliz/Salisbury areas drive non local product.
These same people rely, and have done for many years, on the money spent in the local economy by the wages of Holden's families to survive, yet they buy imports or vehicles made out of the area.

well, unfortunately, the shoe is now on the other foot, its time for Australia to dig in and support Australian jobs.

Your tune is old au3xr6, we know how you feel about Holden.

Its not about Holden worshipping, there's no room for that childish argument. Its about the real jobs, of real people with real families.

Wether GM corporate decide to pull the pin is irrelevant, the point is, they have given the Australian public and their work force the opportunity to stem the bleeding and turn it around, some didn't.

Don't continually knife Holden to appease your hurt.

[FGII-XR6]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Your tune is old au3xr6, we know how you feel about Holden.

yes I have no love of Holden and make so secret of that but what I really hate is the Holden trolls on here who have user names that obviously show their allegiance who constantly bag Ford and spread negativity, this is a Ford forum after all. I would praise this proposal if it was to limit all purchases to locally produced cars where available from all 3 makers . but to single one out is the wrong move and is nothing more than a cynical popularity grab

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by au3xr6

yes I have no love of Holden and make so secret of that but what I really hate is the Holden trolls on here who have user names that obviously show their allegiance who constantly bag Ford and spread negativity, this is a Ford forum after all. I would praise this proposal if it was to limit all purchases to locally produced cars where available from all 3 makers . but to single one out is the wrong move and is nothing more than a cynical popularity grab

There's only 1 user name with reference to Holden in the thread, hardly a trend.
They had their say, I've had mine and as you conveniently over looked the other points of my post we all know where you stand.

[FGII-XR6]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

There's only 1 user name with reference to Holden in the thread, hardly a trend.
They had their say, I've had mine and as you conveniently over looked the other points of my post we all know where you stand.

I don't recall saying or implying that the trolls were in this thread in any way . just an incorrect assumption by you. I was referring to the trolls who lurk on AFF in general . Yes I stand for an combined allocation of purchases to ALL local producers. that's hardly a biased view

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by au3xr6

I don't recall saying or implying that the trolls were in this thread in any way . just an incorrect assumption by you. I was referring to the trolls who lurk on AFF in general . Yes I stand for an combined allocation of purchases to ALL local producers. that's hardly a biased view

I have taken it to PM to avoid derailing the thread, I suggest you do the same if you must.

[RANGEREST]

I don't understand the negativity here, Salisbury council has decided (albeit too late possibly) to support a local (300 Mtrs out of their shire for now) company by buying their product. Makes sense to me.

[danzvtil]

This is a daft policy by the council for several reasons, can I qualify my opinion by saying that I am currently in a sales role and previously purchasing/category management:

1- when you say to ONE car brand that you will ONLY buy their passenger cars, what incentive do they have to ensure you a buying at the BEST possible price. Councils need to buy at the best price to provide value for their rate payers.This ONLY happens when several brands are banging on your door for the business.
2-When your fleet is restricted to 1 or 2 vehicles, your resale takes a dive-case in point, go to pickles at salisbury who handles the government cars, say you are looking at a small medium car, great choose from cruze,cruze,cruze or maybe I30. All those cars are the same, meaning they are worth less.Supply and demand.
3- At very least Salisbury should preference ANY local brand (which is what they basically do already) to encourage competition and to support parts manufacturers who also supply toyota and ford.

[Bossxr8]

Its a shame Geelong council don't support local AFAIK. Most council vehicles are imports I think.

But in saying that I wouldn't be surprised if the Salisbury council carpark ended up full of Barinas, Captivas and Malibus, and not the locally made stuff, cause all Holdens are built in Oz aren't they

[devilcv8]

Originally Posted by au3xr6

. I would praise this proposal if it was to limit all purchases to locally produced cars where available from all 3 makers . but to single one out is the wrong move and is nothing more than a cynical popularity grab

no point including ford as they have ruled out local manufacturing so no buying changes will affect that.
They should however buy from the 2 local manufacturers that aren't cutting and running.

[302 XC]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Salisbury Council is in SA, there is only 1 local manufacturer in SA, it is Holden.

Holden make Commodore sedan, Sports wagon, Commodore Ute, Cruze sedan and hatch, 5 in total in a number of equipment levels.
There will obviously be some voids which will be filled with imported Holden product, it is still money in the local employers parent company coffers.
This is a show of support going forward, better than nothing.

This decision is about supporting a company which employs many Salisbury Council residents.
These residents pay rates.
This is a win for all concerned.

The only whingers are those without a locally built model post 2016...

While many can understand employ local,spend local,which employs locals to spend local,the wheels in motion have too many bumps in the road
Maybe what should really happen is CEOs should take pay cuts to help employ more workers,they shouldn't be on the money they are on,the ships are sinking why be paid millions a year for flogging a dead horse,laying staff off
Its not the lower end of the food chain that's the problems,maybe the people at the top should get a shake up
Something else also the aussie dollar is dropping yet the imports seem to be cheaper ?.....How does that work ?
Maybe the car industries have just been killing the pig far too long,when it gets too hard its time for a handout and lay off staff
Trim the fat from the top down,not the bottom up ...

[aussie muscle]

Originally Posted by Ducati888

Secondly - what kept them?

If all SA councils follow suit, then it'll help with the turn-around.

[SB076]

Originally Posted by devilcv8

no point including ford as they have ruled out local manufacturing so no buying changes will affect that.
They should however buy from the 2 local manufacturers that aren't cutting and running.

I still support Fords local vehicles and will continue to do so until the cease manufacturing. By doing so you are still supporting local jobs and putting money into the local community which benefits everyone

[bangm001]

Should have already been supportive over the years and not realised it until now and when it is possibly too late.

[FGII-XR6]

yes Ford has ruled out local production based on sales figures that indicated there was no chance of making a profit but if sales doubled or tripled and their sums suddenly showed that they would be using black ink not red then they may actually revisit the whole idea of local production.

Originally Posted by devilcv8

no point including ford as they have ruled out local manufacturing so no buying changes will affect that.
They should however buy from the 2 local manufacturers that aren't cutting and running.

[RANGEREST]

Originally Posted by au3xr6

yes Ford has ruled out local production based on sales figures that indicated there was no chance of making a profit but if sales doubled or tripled and their sums suddenly showed that they would be using black ink not red then they may actually revisit the whole idea of local production.

Not a chance

[FGII-XR6]

Originally Posted by velvet

Not a chance

Sorry but no one knows that one way or another. the only way to find out is if the changes occur but that is not likely