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Old 22-05-2009, 01:59 PM   #1
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was looking through the WP Fiesta warranty & service handbook.

And was interested to find the following figures for the manual 1.6L Duratec 16V:

service booklet;

85kw @ 5500rpm
156Nm @ 4400rpm

Redbook/Ford figures;

74kW @ 6000rpm
146Nm @ 4000-4000rpm

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Are the higher figures due to them maybe measuring engine/flywheel power, and the other figures are drivetrain loss? I thought manufacturers always quoted engine figures...

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Old 22-05-2009, 02:15 PM   #2
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Originally Posted by zetec jim
was looking through the WP Fiesta warranty & service handbook.

And was interested to find the following figures for the manual 1.6L Duratec 16V:

service booklet;

85kw @ 5500rpm
156Nm @ 4400rpm

Redbook/Ford figures;

74kW @ 6000rpm
146Nm @ 4000-4000rpm

:

Are the higher figures due to them maybe measuring engine/flywheel power, and the other figures are drivetrain loss? I thought manufacturers always quoted engine figures...
Are Redbook using the WQ model info versus the WS (not sure about the WP) ....

The WQ is

Engine Specifications:
Engine Type: MULTI POINT F/INJ
Engine Size: 1.6L
Cylinders: INLINE 4
Max. Torque: 146Nm @ 4000rpm
Max. Power: 74kW @ 6000rpm
Power to Weight Ratio: 14.19:1 kW/kg
Bore & Stroke: 79x81.4mm
Compression Ratio: 11.0
Valve Gear: DOHC
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Old 22-05-2009, 02:27 PM   #3
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Nah, i looked up WP, and its the same power-plant as the WQ.

BUT, on further inspection...

I had a look at my owners-manual (as apposed to my service-handbook)
and the figures are the same as the redbook or universal figures:

74KW @ 6000rpm
146Nm @ 4000rpm

weird....

Why would they have different figures in the owners-manual and the service-handbook?
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Old 22-05-2009, 03:12 PM   #4
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Why would they have different figures in the owners-manual and the service-handbook?
Those are the specs of the new 1.6L.

Do you definitely have your own service handbook and the dealer hasn't dropped in one from a WS ????
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Old 22-05-2009, 03:44 PM   #5
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ah.......................................... yes i'm sure.

Pretty sure i bought this car three years ago (private sale).... and this service book was printed/copyright in 2003 for WP FIESTA!!! Enough in front of production of the WS me thinks.......
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Old 22-05-2009, 03:47 PM   #6
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The WQ log book says 74kws and 146nm
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Old 22-05-2009, 04:29 PM   #7
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thats what i don't get... why would it be different in the service-book than the owners-manual?
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Old 22-05-2009, 04:36 PM   #8
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That is weird. Mayb candyman was right and they missplaced your old service book so they just gave you another one. Otherwise i have kno idea. If your sure its the right service book ring ford, or go and ask your local ford service centre and see what they kno.
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Old 22-05-2009, 04:46 PM   #9
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I'm not all that concerned about it, just thought is was strange. and i doubt that they lost my service book, i'm sure its the old one, i send it to my local mechanic.
can anyone else with a WP Fez check their service-guide booklet? (not the owners manual)
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Old 22-05-2009, 07:30 PM   #10
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zetec-jim I can confirm what your saying. my 2004 wp zetec also has 85kw listed. look at the fuel tank size in the book, it says 55l??? maybe some kind of euro spec due to their fuel/temperature?? not sure. but my fuel tank struggles to take 43 l when the orange light comes on.

love your car too mate. mine is a White version with the 16s full body kit, leather gear lever, spoiler, scruff plates, silver bits on the door pulls and hand brake and the xr4 blue stripes! but your body coloured door handles, side strip and grey stripes look the part.
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Old 22-05-2009, 08:31 PM   #11
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cheers mate! colour coding the strips and handles isn't at all hard, you should do it, white colour-code would look awesome.

yeah, the tank capacity says 55L in the service book... very strange indeed as the tank is 45L i'm pretty sure.

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Old 23-05-2009, 11:42 AM   #12
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Jim, Those Service Booklet figures resemble the Focus LR 1.8 Manual figures. The 2.0 Auto (mine) has slightly more torque, 162nm v 156, in Factory tune and the 162nm is @ 4000 v 4400rpm.

So maybe you have a "freaky" service manual.
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My WP service book said the same thing
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Old 23-05-2009, 08:42 PM   #14
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I concur with eddie,

those figures resemble the 1.8ltr "zetec" from the Cl's and lx"s

my guess is that they threw in some pages from the focus' manual for some reason.
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Old 24-05-2009, 09:46 AM   #15
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yeah, sounds about right

And here i was thinking there might be a chance of having another magical 10KW.....would have been nice. hehe.
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Interior: Colour-coded trims. ST leather gear knob w leather gaiter. Brushed Aluminium pedals. Scuff Plates.
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