Webber says what we're all thinking

[Spinner77]

The Herald-Sun online poll now has over 1,000 votes.

Yes 80.73 per cent (838 votes)
No 19.27 per cent (200 votes)

[HEMI POWER]

I have to agree with Weber on this one,after spending some time and driving everyday in Europe i really find some of our road rules a joke.I found driving in Europe i was more focused on the road and what was happening around me rather than focusing on speed cameras which i do here everyday i drive my car.

[UNR8D]

agree with webber 100%

if they had laws that were fair and had ''Reason" then no issue, we all need laws to have a basis of a free country but laws that provide protection for citizen's and are there not to line the coffers of pollie's sitting in fat cat leather bound chairs.

I have no issue with them earning $$ either but they need to be experts in their field, and they need to know what they are doing is going to 'benefit' the people not just do them a world of injustice

currently at this point in time you have transport ministers that don't hold a drivers licence.. to me that's like asking a GP for a boob job, yes he has a clue about medicine but has NFI about boob job's, you can get recommendations from all spectrum's but its seemingly that these experts have vested interests in the $$ side of the project and not the outcome of safer roads, and while this continues and they keep pushing the same old sad barrow of if we don't get our way we will just get some victims to speak out bull***** then we will continue down the path until we have a camera that will fine us because we scrunched instead of folded.

[Scott]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

And speaking of dumbass ads... How 'bout the new **************** ones?? (See link)

Now that is embarassing, here is a link to the vids.
http://mumbrella.com.au/vicroads-say...campaign-21788

What moron thought that this super cool, provocative, speak the lingo of the youth rubbish was a good idea.

Seriously, at what point is a government so incredibly inept to publish crap like this. I can't believe it.

[SVD]

Originally Posted by cs123

Society gets the government it deserves. ie We are all to blame for the nanny state we live in.

It is up to us to voice our displeasure at what is happening and follow that up at the ballot box

yeh but how can we voice our displeasure when the only options we get that actually have a chance of getting in are a ******** Sandwich and a Giant Douche?

Sure voting for one of them may bring about a change but it will only be a change for the worse when it comes to freedoms and new state laws.

What Webber really needed to do was make his point more clear so he could really stick it to the bureaucrats!

I have no issue with most of the road rules out there today, the ones that ******** me off to no end are those that say 3km/h over and you'll spontaneously crash into a tree and die!

[Franco Cozzo]

I agree with Webber, what happened to the old layed back reputation this country used to have ages ago, now its all government legislating against everything. Soon I won't be able to walk backwards down the road while eating a hamburger.

Media and knee jerk reactions are the main cause of this nanny state crap we live in.

Victoria - The Nanny State.

I'm already seriously planning my departure, not just from Victoria either. I dont plan on paying taxes to help reduce my freedom for much longer. Australia, a "free country".

[XR_6falcon]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Media and knee jerk reactions are the main cause of this nanny state crap we live in.

Victoria - The Nanny State.

They are the bigger of the two evils here.

[vztrt]

I agree with Webber, but it isn't just the road rules. There's a whole heap of stuff that is over controlled. But that's what you get when everything is over sensationalised and people jump up and down saying something needs to be done.
Something is done people moan and cry about it when it effects them but still vote the same morons in.

[BENT_8]

Hats off to MW!

A well thoughtout distraction from his poor driving performance... :eclipsee_

[bingoTE50]

Yep ,the nanny country , over governed,over taxed,and politicians that carry on like a pack of spoilt school kids in Parliament ,watch it sometime on the ABC ,absolutely a disgrace. If a CEO held meetings like this, the shareholders would oust them straight away.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Hats off to MW!

A well thoughtout distraction from his poor driving performance... :eclipsee_

BINGO!!!!!!

[Nikked]

I agree with webber. Good to see someone with a high profile speak what we are thinking.

[Spudz27]

We have these stupid laws because we ask for them. Now I am generalizing here. We as a nation are becoming less and less responsible for what we do, and more and more of the attitude "someone else will do it for me" that is why we have such stupid laws. It is because the idiots in government have these radical and ridiculous ideas and know they can implement them because the majority of us are too lazy to give a rats **** and actually want them to wipe our *** and tell us how to live. It will always come back to us as a nation and our attitude. Until it changes we will keep putting up with these rubbish ideas and policies.

[Bearman]

How's the carefully orchestrated howls of outrage comming from authorities, the pollies with the social engineering agendas and the press.........

He's hit a nerve, thats for sure. Good on him, he's right on the money. It seems you can't do anything without someone wagging a disapproving finger in your face. Just makes me want to break it!!

[cs123]

Originally Posted by SVD

yeh but how can we voice our displeasure when the only options we get that actually have a chance of getting in are a ******** Sandwich and a Giant Douche?

Sure voting for one of them may bring about a change but it will only be a change for the worse when it comes to freedoms and new state laws.

My new approach is to email my local representative and tell them my feelings on the subject. I also tell them that this will be a significant issue for me when it comes time to cast my vote at the next election. I then welcome their views on the matter.

If everyone takes this approach, then it would make a difference.

PS Like the south park reference.

[Revolver]

1. Laws are to keep honest people, honest.
2. Laws have now effect on those who choose to disregard them.
3. If groups tell the government what we think, they simply ignore us, pat us on the head, & say its in "our best interest". So people are affraid of their governments when:
4. Governments should be afraid of their people.

Thats it.

[rodderz]

Originally Posted by vztrt

I agree with Webber, but it isn't just the road rules. There's a whole heap of stuff that is over controlled. But that's what you get when everything is over sensationalised and people jump up and down saying something needs to be done.
Something is done people moan and cry about it when it effects them but still vote the same morons in.

Spot on, everything is over-policed now, due to polly's wanting to install the next law and rules. Totally agree with Webber, but as usual the press have jumped on the speeding side of it to turn it on it's head. I dont think he would be silly enough to suggest we get rid of speed limits!

There isnt nothing we can't do now without having to get a permit, sign a form, a disclaimer, buy this or that, there is no accountability these days. I heard from a mate the other day that radio's have been banned from union sites...how stupid is that?

[4Vman]

Call me skeptical but I personally think a large % of this over regulation is a result of excessive and rampant litigation and extreme insurance costs...
Govts are covering their butts against being sued for all and everything....

[stevepet]

Could not agree more rodderz. Its all about revenue raising. They started off with small local councils enacting stupid little bylaws and it has just snowballed out of control. We would have to be the most over governed country in the world. Where i used to live the council tried to pass a law that required you to obtain a permit to ride a motorbike on your property if your property was smaller than 50 acres. Finally we apathetic people got up and told council where to stick it. We only have ourselves to blame.

STEVE

[Elks]

Mark Webber has the nerve to question the do gooders.

We all know Victoria is a Nanny state and has been for a deacade. Thanks to Mr Bracks and Brumby and Mrs Nixon.

I lieu of spending cash on actaul police or OH&S work we have add and cameras and stupid regulation everywhere that defies common sense.

However it is hard to argue against the speed kills/worksafe agenda without coming across as a hoon/cowboy. The fact is no one wants to see anyone hurt but seriously we are out of control.

We need to send a message to both the government and the opposition to effect change.

[Spinner77]

SVD's comment about the only choice being between a you-know-what sandwich and a giant douche is a fair point.

But don't we have only ourselves to blame?

If we exchanged the sandwich for the douche and vice versa at every chance we get, they would get the message loud and clear, as they had to find a job after just three or four years, and miss out on the massive super.

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by vztrt

I agree with Webber, but it isn't just the road rules. There's a whole heap of stuff that is over controlled. But that's what you get when everything is over sensationalised and people jump up and down saying something needs to be done.
Something is done people moan and cry about it when it effects them but still vote the same morons in.

+1 for Webber but -1 for his timing, and as you say it is not just road rules. I frequent a few overseas Cruiser (Yachting) Forums and Australia is often referred to as the "Nanny State"....also I can remember sitting in the Roebuck Bay Hotel (Broome) having a chat with a couple of backpacking Dutch girls who remarked "Australia is such a beautiful country but you have so many rules, why is that ?", "obviously to protect us from ourselves" I replied, they just laughed as they thought I was joking....
That conversation was 12 years ago and for some reason has always stuck with me, god knows what they would think of the place today....

[SVD]

Originally Posted by Digger77

SVD's comment about the only choice being between a you-know-what sandwich and a giant douche is a fair point.

But don't we have only ourselves to blame?

If we exchanged the sandwich for the douche and vice versa at every chance we get, they would get the message loud and clear, as they had to find a job after just three or four years, and miss out on the massive super.

but they are still around for 3-4 years and they can cause a fair whack of damage...

I personally feel that we as the voters should get the choice when to oust our politicians... the feel secure with 4 years and having nothing to worry about which allows them to setup these stupid laws, projects etc... and then by the time we have them ousted the new guys step in and then start doing the same thing the last guys did...

example is Rudd... now we ousted Howard right... we'll how long ago was it Howard proposed the compulsory internet filter??? now Rudd has gone and done the same thing... each party is as bad as the other and changing them does nothing for getting the public/voters what they want.

Every thing is done to please the people who Donate to the parties campaigns...
Here is an example of what a news site outside of Aus thinks of the Proposed filter for example http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/n...ay-too-far.ars
even the world see's we have gone to far in the way of controlling the public and making the Government into a Giant Big Brother styled Nanny...
Maybe instead of trying to get the Governments to listen we should try getting the rest of the world to watch and condemn our Governments?
:

[vztrt]

http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-new...0329-r8ar.html

When a d-head is not a d-head
March 30, 2010

D-head (coarse colloq) a stupid or obnoxious person, especially a man; an idiot.
(Australian Oxford Dictionary)

Tim Pallas has added a new portfolio to his Victorian roads, ports and major projects ministry - d-heads.

But when is a d-head not a d-head?

On morning radio, Mr Pallas was willing to use the word to describe motor ace Lewis Hamilton: ''OK, I'll say it. He's a d-head.''

But by the afternoon, in front of television cameras, he had turned coy.

Journalist: ''Is Mark Webber a d-head?''

Pallas: ''My view about any particular race driver and their personal qualities I don't think is really the key … anybody who takes action to undermine the road safety message is doing the wrong thing.''

Journalist: ''Is Lewis Hamilton a d-head?''

Pallas: ''From my perspective he has acted inappropriately.''

Journalist: ''Do you have the courage to back this campaign by actually telling them they're d-heads?''

Pallas: ''It's more important that we reinforce the message here.''

Journalist: ''So he was a d-head this morning but he's no longer a d-head now?''

Pallas: ''The pejorative language suited then and it suits now.''

Hang on, didn't he just call Mr Hamilton a d-head?

[snappy]

Originally Posted by Elks

Mark Webber has the nerve to question the do gooders.

We all know Victoria is a Nanny state and has been for a deacade. Thanks to Mr Bracks and Brumby and Mrs Nixon.

I lieu of spending cash on actaul police or OH&S work we have add and cameras and stupid regulation everywhere that defies common sense.

However it is hard to argue against the speed kills/worksafe agenda without coming across as a hoon/cowboy. The fact is no one wants to see anyone hurt but seriously we are out of control.

We need to send a message to both the government and the opposition to effect change.

I agree with that statement . As much as its tragedy when somone dies from a car crash . At somepoint we have to stop punishing the living for the mistakes of the fallen .

[Scott]

Originally Posted by Elks

However it is hard to argue against the speed kills/worksafe agenda without coming across as a hoon/cowboy. The fact is no one wants to see anyone hurt but seriously we are out of control.

You mean like wanting to retain our Australian identity without being branded racist? Yeh, I know what you mean.

[OLDFORDNUT]

Originally Posted by SB076

I have to agree with Mark - we are a nanny state
No longer can we do 100 on a freeway (in Vic heading south from the tunnel on the M1 we have 4 lanes but an 80k limit pretty much all the way to Toorak Rd) Our speed limits are being reduced plus we now have 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 90, 100, and 110 zones and IMHO this has had no affect on the road toll (I beleive any reduction is as a result of additioanl safety measures being introduced to cars such as ABS, ESC, better crumple zones etc)

Our governments seem intent on bringing in new law after new law (such as hoon laws - which I might add dont worry me - but what is the point? We already had laws that covered reckless driving and inporoper use of motor vehicles) Why dont we simply enforce them?

Now the government is looking at bringing laws in to keep trucks out of the right hand lane - we already have a law that states keep left unless overtaking, if that law is enforced there is no need for an additional law.

We have far too many beuracrats in this country and to justify their existance they keep coming up with rubbish and as such we have become a nanny state.

All Mark has done is say it as it is and offend the beuracrats.

Too right, it seems everytime i read the paper we have a new law foisted upon us here in QLD and Victoria is supposed to be even worse,
we spend so much time looking at our speedo these days that i think it must surely cause more accidents as 1/3 of our driving is spent not looking ahead of car to see whats happening. this is mainly due to zero tolerance laws on speeding.

When will the do -gooders wake up that in-attention is our biggest killer.

[Jastel]

It's not a Nanny State, it's a NANNY COUNTRY!!

Do what you're elected for like health, education, defense, policing the "citizens" who make it so we cant walk down the street, then when/if they get caught make sure the judiciary get down from there ivory towers and sentence them properly

If they spent as much effort on the above as they do on making up and enforcing BS laws we would all be better of.

eg
Numerous road rules
Cant discipline your kids
Bike helmets
Cant leave your car unlocked
Insulation, Solar and Water tank debacles
A permit/license needed for everything, nobody can possibly be able to use a chainsaw and change a tap washer without extensive costly retraining

Actually about the only profession NO qualification/permit is needed for is to be in parliament??


I have done a fair bit of travelling and overseas the world does not come to an end if you dont wear a bike helmet, or lock your car, or get forced to build things into your house you dont want, or heaven forbid walk in the snow and slip over. People get up and get on with life, not go looking for a lawyer.
Penalties do apply for serious crimes and are enforced.

[Bearman]

The nanny state strikes again:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertai...-1225848763137

[XR8GRL]

Originally Posted by Bearman

The nanny state strikes again:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertai...-1225848763137

But then I also see this story as just publicity for Hey Hey.