Vic traffic police told to target low-level speeding offenders

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Wear a beige cardigan, hire a camry, put a bowlers hat on the parcel shelf and drive 10 under the limit in the right lane.

This is how you become invisible to the police.

Sorry mate you just got booked for failing to keep left....

[Kable72]

Originally Posted by trublu

Sorry mate you just got booked for failing to keep left....

They don't book people for being in the right hand lane. Still invisible.

[joolz]

Originally Posted by Kable72

They don't book people for being in the right hand lane. Still invisible.

Thats so true. The keep left law has be around for over 10 years. Im yet to see or hear of just 1 driver to be booked for it... My brother up in Darwin does enforce this law.

[Bossxr8]

Are they going to lower all speed limits by 1kph now, just think of the hundreds of lives it will save.

I'm waiting for my first 100 kph in a 99 zone ticket lol.

[HEMI POWER]

Next they will make walking too fast a speeding offence.

[mechanic]

Exactly identical to the gun issue.
As soon as the govt. can get some revenue by introducing legislation they will then increase the fees each year.
Gun licence fees have multiplied because of the fear caused by Little Johnny.
Hasn't stopped criminals getting guns and increasing fines for " speeding '" won't stop traffic accidents.
For some reason the cops won't stop drivers using mobile phones.
I thought it was a traffic offence to use a device while driving but must be wrong on that one.

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by iCat

Why do the Australian Design Rules allow for a 10% margin on error for speedos in cars? If the Government was determined to keep us at or below the speed limit they would impose accurate manufacturing requirements, not a 10% leeway.

They don't...not if your car was made after 2006. After then, it's allowed to be out, but MUST read fast so, technically, you can sit on an indicated 100 but actually be doing 95 or something.
Of course, that's only if you trust all the mechanical losses and changes as your car ages and the tyres wear.
Car speedometers simply aren't an accurate scientific instrument...they are a mass produced mechanical and electrical device that is "good enough"...that's why a leeway is built into them. No idea how the manufacturer can guarantee that it will ONLY read on the fast side...it's going to be plus or minus, no matter how good it is. Even the best, most expensive scientific measuring devices have a "plus or minus" margin noted, so why are car speedos treated any differently?

Cars made before 2006 have a "plus OR minus" leeway allowed under ADR's, but no one has ever actually been able to show if this is a suitable defence against a ludicrously small speeding offence under 10kph.

I know in our 1982 Celica when brand new tyres are fitted, the speedo is out because of the larger diameter new tyres. It's right now in the "sweet spot" where the tyres have worn to the point where the speedo is absolutely spot on at 100kph. As they wear though, it will start going the other way in accuracy. You notice this even more with 4x4 tyres with deep tread as they wear over their life.

[joolz]

Seriously whats next... A lowered limit when it rains... Just saying and hope they dont hear me!

[Yellow_Festiva]

To the clown who wants to hammer people for going a few kays over. ACA or the like should tail him with a dash cam for a day and record every time a law is broken. Every turn that wasn't correctly indicated, every stop where one wheel has crept over the line, every yellow intersection that was entered, every time he rolls through an intersection rather than stop for 3 seconds and finally every time he hovers 2+ km over the limit.

Let's face it, if he is an average driver he would have amassed at least a dozen 'fines'. So, put him on the spot. Will he publicly agree to 1) pay the fines, apologising for putting thousands of lives at risk and hand in his licence or 2) concede that the draconian measures being put into place are just mostly hurting average drivers financially and may not actually be reducing the road toll 1 iota.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by joolz

Seriously whats next... A lowered limit when it rains... Just saying and hope they dont hear me!

The F3... I mean M1 between Sydney and Newcastle has a section that drops 10kmh when raining.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by joolz

Thats so true. The keep left law has be around for over 10 years. Im yet to see or hear of just 1 driver to be booked for it... My brother up in Darwin does enforce this law.

This was brought up by Vic police late last year so might be some nasty surprises this year for some motorists who flout the law........just saying!

[jpd80]

Governments count on people breaking the law to get revenue, just imagine what would need to happen
if everyone suddenly became completely law abiding and all the fines and revenue dried up...

Thats right, other fees, charges and taxes would have to rise to compensate for the revenue short fall,
why are we not surprised that when the government needs more money, the motorist is the first casualty.


That's also the reason why I believe motorists will never be permitted to have low cost energy sources,
if everyone eventually avoids paying fuel excise and GST, you can bet registration charges or some other
road access charges will become the new metric for collecting revenue, we're tired of being suckers
for a green agenda with no advantage to any of us, just more submerged costs.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by xxx000

did you lot complain in the same manner using the same 'logic' on the intro of RBT? The same arguments put forward here could be said about RBT but we now agree it's intro was worthwhile, what's different about speeding?

Easiest question to answer ..... and a question that does not really need to be asked, but

1. You know you are drinking alcohol, then you make the decision to drive and do so intentionally.

2. Everyone, 100% of the driving population, including yourself, drive within a few k's under or over everyday and do so safely and unintentionally.

I would much rather share the road with someone doing 84 in an 80 zone who is observant to their surroundings, confident in what they are doing, know that I am there and keep up with the flow ..... rather than someone doing 78 in an 80 zone concentrating only on a limit in case, in an absolute split second, they are sitting on 81, with no thought of others around them and no confidence in what they are doing.

The mind set of these people to think they are great drivers ONLY because they try and stay under a limit are fooling themselves something chronic. Those who say they do not speed (1,2,4 over) are telling porkies!

[SPArKy_Dave]

If you have the patience.... watch some of this, and note the driver courtesy and impeccable lane discipline.

Note how each slower driver observes (from far away), that a faster driver is approaching in the adjacent lane, and applies their brakes.

(1.40-4.00 and 11.20-28.20) for the best sections of the clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1J2VygXuzDM

[zilo]

TOG are the poor bastards who have no future I the police force, just sit in the car all day, no promotion prospects.

And have to keep pulling more and more drivers over every year to make budgets.

It's a sick system.

[Trump]

Originally Posted by SPArKy_Dave

If you have the patience.... watch some of this, and note the driver courtesy and impeccable lane discipline.

Note how each slower driver observes (from far away), that a faster driver is approaching in the adjacent lane, and applies their brakes.

(1.40-4.00 and 11.20-28.20) for the best sections of the clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1J2VygXuzDM

The courtesy is a cultural thing, Germans are intrinsically polite and courteous to one another, even on the roads. Here... despite appearances to the contrary, once we're on the road, its a case of every man for himself (or "plod will get me, so I'll go 20 under the limit in the right lane and stuff everyone else").

My god that diesel boat can move!

[Paull]

Originally Posted by SPArKy_Dave

If you have the patience.... watch some of this, and note the driver courtesy and impeccable lane discipline.

Note how each slower driver observes (from far away), that a faster driver is approaching in the adjacent lane, and applies their brakes.

(1.40-4.00 and 11.20-28.20) for the best sections of the clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1J2VygXuzDM

I'm amazed that 15 people didn't die in the making of this video, inclusive of the driver. I wonder if it has anything to do with;

1 - quality road (s)
2 - good quality & well maintained car (assumption here)
3 - attentive driving
4 - quality driver education (assumption here but is the norm in De)
5 - courtesy & good driving shown by other drivers

[XLTDP63]

Wonder how these new rules will effect people who have classic cars with less accurate speedos in MPH. I know when driving the old falcon the speed i'm doing is more judged on the cars around me then what the speedo says. might as well hand my license in before I loose it, probably safer taking the train to work then sharing the road with people too busy looking at their speedo then the road anyway.

[Silver Ghia]

Originally Posted by XLTDP63

Wonder how these new rules will effect people who have classic cars with less accurate speedos in MPH. I know when driving the old falcon the speed i'm doing is more judged on the cars around me then what the speedo says. might as well hand my license in before I loose it, probably safer taking the train to work then sharing the road with people too busy looking at their speedo then the road anyway.

You're right there. My 1972 MGB doesn't even have a cigarette lighter socket to plug my GPS into to check what my speeds actually are. I think my speedo is about right when judging by surrounding traffic as you do, 50mph = 80kph, 62 mph = 100kph, 35mph = 60kph, they are rough calculations that I do automatically in my head all the time while driving.

Ah well, if they pull me up hopefully they may take that into account when I explain it to them, but normally I try to stay on secondary roads which are much quieter anyway. People are stupid when they see an older car, they must pass, then they slow down again in front of me.

[OwnTheRoad]

One of my vehicles is GPS checked 100 % accurate at 100klms per hour it is very obvious to me that most cars show a greater speed than the actual when i set my cruise at 100 as i continually pass people often on freeways with them looking at me like im a criminal as i cruise on by.Its a 2003 TD5 Discovery.Many euro cars have far more accurate speedos too.
Yes we are all lame , the speed kills line is just pathetic and we just accept it , speed does not kill , its the sudden and unexpected stop that usually does the damage.

[Elks]

It's all rubbish.

Based on that assumption if they can save 15 lives by reducing speed 1 kph they could save 50 by the mandatory fitment of 6/4 Brembos.

[mik]

Its all bullshit, its just another excuse to bully drivers for a menial infringemnt while extracting more dollars out of the public.

[Franco Cozzo]

Seriously who doesn't do 5-10km/h over when rolling down a steep hill? I don't bother riding my brakes going down steep hills, I usually leave the Focus in 3rd at around 60km/h and by the time I'm at the bottom I'm doing around 70km/h (Hill leaving Bulla in Victoria).

Or if you've got an E series Falcon with its junk "cruise control" it drops between 2/3/4 going up the hill and goes 25km/h+ over the limit on the way down.

[Ben73]

Ahh now I see. 1km/h over is deadly. Lucky I drive 1km/h under the limit all the time.
It's so safe I don't have to obey any other laws or even maintain my brakes, or tyres or anything.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by Silver Ghia

You're right there. My 1972 MGB doesn't even have a cigarette lighter socket to plug my GPS into to check what my speeds actually are. I think my speedo is about right when judging by surrounding traffic as you do, 50mph = 80kph, 62 mph = 100kph, 35mph = 60kph, they are rough calculations that I do automatically in my head all the time while driving.

Ah well, if they pull me up hopefully they may take that into account when I explain it to them, but normally I try to stay on secondary roads which are much quieter anyway. People are stupid when they see an older car, they must pass, then they slow down again in front of me.

I had a Bugeye with a speedo that intermittently worked and was of course in miles. I fitted, of all things a digital push bike speedometer which also had trip function and was 100% accurate and still worked at 130+ kph. Set me back a whole $49.

[csv8]

Welcome to Queensland ! WAIT until you get the VLAD Laws!!!!!

[responsef6]

This is happening all over the country, in WA we've faced hidden laser cameras for years. Im 38, havent had an accident in 20 yrs driving and i choose to enjoy my car and driving by doing so in appropriate places. According to the position of police media and government. I should have perished thousands of times by now

The more they try and control us without just reason, the more a growing % of people will rebel, many of whom are irresponsible and will rebel in the wrong locations and will endanger lives

Their strategy raises more and more money, but creates worse drivers among the general Masses, and more dangerous drivers amongst the rebelling
Speeders, who no longer respect or give a $&@" about authority that blatantly lies and deceives the public.

This my friends is how you turn motoring enthusiasts into hoons... Blame, penalise and marginalise us, we will lose all respect and do more of the very thing you are trying to control us doing

As I get older, I should be softening, slowing and conforming, but this attack on driving is making me go harder than I did in my younger years when I respected authority and the road laws more

[uniacidz]

Its gonna be a case where ppl are too scared to drive, be looking at their speedos more and doing 10kmp/h under the limit to avoid a ticket and possible cause more accidents due to lack of concentration due to looking at said speedo

So potential for roads to be slower with more accidents.
Nice one

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by uniacidz

Its gonna be a case where ppl are too scared to drive, be looking at their speedos more and doing 10kmp/h under the limit to avoid a ticket and possible cause more accidents due to lack of concentration due to looking at said speedo

So potential for roads to be slower with more accidents.
Nice one

I just got back from Adelaide. With all the cameras there and the low limits I think I was more dangerous behind the wheel because I spent more time looking at my speedo and looking at the sides of intersections for cameras than watching the road...

50 in most places unless indicated... in new cars that comes very fast....

It will soon drop to 40 in the cbd, just wait and see...

[new2ford]

Originally Posted by SPArKy_Dave

If you have the patience.... watch some of this, and note the driver courtesy and impeccable lane discipline.

Note how each slower driver observes (from far away), that a faster driver is approaching in the adjacent lane, and applies their brakes.

(1.40-4.00 and 11.20-28.20) for the best sections of the clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1J2VygXuzDM

SPArKy_Dave you bring back memories of living in Plzen two years ago. I hate driving in Australia with a vengeance, it's just horrible and infinitely worse than when I started driving 40 years ago before all this nannying started.

Road Policing Command Assistant Commissioner Robert Hill said it was time to make travelling only a couple of kilometres above the speed limit as socially unacceptable as drink driving.

So funny when compared to a statement recently made by the police head in Czech Republic where the motorway limit is 130. Recognising that people needed to make independent decisions when driving (such as safely passing a slow-moving block of traffic), he said the police wouldn't pull over a driver unless he was exceeding about 150. That's 20 km/h over!!! And only then if he or she was driving dangerously. I guess they have other methods of raising revenue in Czech Republic.

One feature you don't see over there is the big packs of vehicles dangerously close to each other, all moving at 100-110 because they're afraid of being pinged. Totally different in Europe where you're able to pass a slower vehicle quickly and get out of the way. The differential speed limit between trucks and cars is also a great safety bonus.

I reckon those big mobs of vehicles in Australia glued together at high speed are far more dangerous than the European driving environment of being spread out at a range of speeds (the slower ones being in the kerb lane of course).