Would legal venues stop hoons?

[tweeked]

Legal venues for peoples enjoyment is what goverments should provide.

That is why we have maintained national parks, swings for kids, bmx tracks, beaches cleaned, skateboard parks, bicycle tracks, jettys for boats, council golf courses, you can go on forever.

Whether or not they stop so called hoons - I dont care. Car culture is huge, people enjoy it, it is good for jobs and the economy, and there should be facilities provide.

[302 XC]

Originally Posted by tweeked

Legal venues for peoples enjoyment is what goverments should provide.

That is why we have maintained national parks, swings for kids, bmx tracks, beaches cleaned, skateboard parks, bicycle tracks, jettys for boats, council golf courses, you can go on forever.

Whether or not they stop so called hoons - I dont care. Car culture is huge, people enjoy it, it is good for jobs and the economy, and there should be facilities provide.

This ^^^

But dont forget motorists pay $600-$1K a year for regoes
Then we pay additional , licence fees for the priveledge to drive as well
When was the last time a dude on a pushy paid anything or the kids on the local swing,jetties for hire

[2011G6E]

I really want to say "Yes" but deep down I know the answer is probably "no".

The local paper...Rockhampton Bulletin...several months back proudly showed a view of the police impound yard, where they had confiscated "seven hoon cars" over one weekend for burnouts and a street race. The cars in the photo were things like an old Toyota Camry, a ratty VN, an old Corolla, a battered trayback ute...stuff like that. Not one heavily worked and modified car, not one Nissan Skyline, Silvia, WRX, or "usual suspects" of the Fast and Furious gang, not one really nicely painted and done up car that was obviously someones valued pride and joy.
They were instead crapbuckets worth maybe $2000 each.

These sorts of cars are highly unlikely to turn up and pay to use a skidpan or eighth mile strip outside of town.

[pottery beige]

hoon element is usually left fairly deflated from any real race track visit.... their fully sicks 17sec POS is exactly that a wana be POS.......

[cobbadan]

Im gonna agree with -- Yes. Absolutely. If it's cheap enough.

If its $200 for 4 hours -- not a chance.

I own a BF xr6 that is my daily and i take good care of and im about to buy an R33 skyline off a mate to have as my fun car / toy for a while.

I've been looking already, checking out mt cotton, queensland raceway, gympie skidpan, lakeside, looking for events i can go to and have a bit of fun, learn better car control, do a bit of drifting, drive faster than 100 kph.

In my younger days i would have considered myself a hoon and i was a regular over at kooragang island in newcastle. But these days i want to have some fun without worrying about police or wrapping myself around a power pole.

So i suppose for people like me who used to be young hooligans but now just wanna enjoy their car safely,,, the answer is definitely yes.

For the dropkick element out there -- yes , to a degree.

overall -- yes, if you build it , they will come.

[aussie muscle]

Originally Posted by sezzy

There is a big difference between hoon and car enthusiast,

yeah, i don't want to damage my transmission doing a burnout.

the only issue with having a 'hoon' area is the cops would know where to go find them, so they'd hang out nearby. good for the cops.

[Matty4]

Originally Posted by sudszy

Ben, everything I write is going to be ..... in your eyes, Im afraid our backgrounds, education and values are just poles apart.

Your idea that if the hoon isnt speeding then it isnt a problem is just part of your problem:
http://www.fordforums.com.au/showpos...0&postcount=20
Seriously, if anyone who wrote nonsense like ^ this or http://www.fordforums.com.au/showpos...0&postcount=32 or
http://www.fordforums.com.au/showpos...4&postcount=36
and agreed with anything I said, Id be very disappointed.

OMG......elitist much????
I bet your shiite doesn't stink either!!!!

[DBourne]

Nope. As much as I'd like to think it would, it wouldn't.

"Hoons" enjoy doing what they do in any street they choose.

[Ibo]

Originally Posted by tweeked

Legal venues for peoples enjoyment is what goverments should provide.

That is why we have maintained national parks, swings for kids, bmx tracks, beaches cleaned, skateboard parks, bicycle tracks, jettys for boats, council golf courses, you can go on forever.

Whether or not they stop so called hoons - I dont care. Car culture is huge, people enjoy it, it is good for jobs and the economy, and there should be facilities provide.

This is an awesome point.

Will legal venues stop hoons?

NO.

Will legal venues reduce the amount of hooning?

Probably a little bit.

Will legal venues be a good way for responsible car enthusiasts to have fun on weekends in a safe environment?

Yes

Will legal venues generate tourism and jobs?

Yes


They should make legal venues for that sort of thing. Not to stop Hoons, but to facilitate a large demograph of people who would appreciate it and spend money on it.

[xisled]

Reading through the post's it seems a few people have in there head that most of the people who attend these illegal meets own cars like a vn commo. Yes there is a heap of old s***box's that do attend these meets but a heap of these cars are other car's such as BA/BF Xr6 turbo's, Clubsports and late model car's. I would say half and half. Also I would like to add that a few big name car's also do attend these meets to show off.

Now if making a cheap, safe, local and legal area will not get these people off the streets what will?

[blackf6]

lets face it if you really wanted to sort the problem you would electroniclly limit all vehicles by gps. simple but who wants that. but more drag strips would be a good idea in my opinion and may help the situation somewhat.

[SEZ213]

Originally Posted by teak81

lets face it if you really wanted to sort the problem you would electroniclly limit all vehicles by gps. simple but who wants that. but more drag strips would be a good idea in my opinion and may help the situation somewhat.

There is one other way...stop dole payments... Not so easy to be a hoon if you can't afford the fuel...

[xisled]

Originally Posted by adz193

It won't stop theres just too many people
I went to the illegals last night in cambo and there would have been at least 150 cars each with 3-4 people in them. It's just massive!
Police blocked the exits of one spot and got about 30 cars apparently
They just keep getting bigger!!

So you know exactly what im talking about when I said there can be upto 200 odd cars.

I was told about this meet last night, but did not go, but know a few people who did go. Now most people who I have spoken to, who goto these meets. Go because there is nothing in the area where this can happen safe, cheap and legally. So they turn to the streets.

[2011G6E]

The last time someone organised a true street race (time trial actually) in Rockhampton was after a big car show and auto display. It went for a massive one kilometer, around two gentle corners and a couple of hay bales, and cost several hundred dollars to enter ($600+ springs to mind...). For a couple of minutes driving, and nothing too taxing at all. I was all set to enter with the Celica until I saw the map of the "course", and the massive entry price.

The organiser was wondering why there wasn't more interest and more entries...

[BPXR6T]

In a word no. I raced around at the dandy drags years ago. Calder was open but we didn't go. The money spent on petrol to get to calder was typically spent on beer instead, we didn't have to wait for a race, and we could be at a mates place in 10 minutes if the drags got shut down, there was nothing worth racing, or we got bored. The cars we drove were always illegally modified too, cop bait. So driving to the other side of the city and risking a canary was never going to happen.

[Franco Cozzo]

^ They still do it to this day, very popular spot.

I'd welcome a drag strip in my small country town, or a track.

Next to the tip theres a few thousand acres there, doing nothing, perfect spot, its out of the township and no one lives out there.

Hell, just make a big dirt track, i'd be happy with that.

[grandpa_spec_F6]

A legal event up here was "STREETWARZ", and I went to the second meeting back about 2 years ago.

Was epic! Massive skid pan, entry was only $15 or $20 for something like a 5 or 10 minutes burn..... then people started to leave and did burnouts up and down the street outside the event.

Neighbours complained, police shut it down, don't know what ever came of it but it goes to show there are always those who ruin a good thing.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by Luke Plaizier

Yes. ABsoutely. If it's cheap enough.

There is nothing at all in Newcastle - the closest drag strip or race circuit other than go-karting is in Sydney. The cars all seem to line up at a big wide vacant road on Kooragang Island to race each other.

If there was a legal outlet for guys to score bragging rights, whether it be a circuit or/and a drag strip, as well as a 'cruising' area for the cars to park and the boys and girls to get out and socialise, then I think that would work really well.

The same thing could be said of Skate Parks - look how successfuly they have been now that there's a legitimate outlet for young board riders.

I subscribe to the idea that the vast majority of people are pleasant, law abiding and socially considerate when given the chance.


Lukeyson

Do they still do that at kooragang? I don't think they have for a while.

I bet that 99% of those people who used to hang around there and race would go to a drag strip or burnout pad if one was available.

There is always going to be idiots who use the public roads as a race track, but having more legal venues will help reduce people doing it on the road because there is no where else.

That's true about skaters. I know because I used to skate.
We use to skate around the streets because there was barely any skate parks around Newcastle. The ones that did exist were all cheap pieces of crap that most people avoided. Now that there are lots of Good skate parks around Newcastle they are always packed and you don't see people street skating as much anymore.

[302 XC]

Originally Posted by Sezzy

There is one other way...stop dole payments... Not so easy to be a hoon if you can't afford the fuel...

So your saying all hoons are dole bludgers ???
Gee whenever im down in the Brissie burbs for the weekend most of the tools on the roads floggin there cars are people in V8 commonwhores
Wouldnt think the dole would pay enuf to fuel a V8

Remember spinning the wheels ,no matter how minimal is classed as a hoon
Gee i can spin the wheels in my 3 tonne 4x4 very easy,that must make me a hoon or doly ???

Matter of fact my crappy ol diesel turbo 4x4 can make mince meat of a set of 31X10.5 15s as well
Doesnt do to bad for a little 3.3 LT diesel

Classed as a hoon in a diesel
Wouldnt that be something to be proud of LOL

[SEZ213]

Originally Posted by 302 XC

So your saying all hoons are dole bludgers ???
Gee whenever im down in the Brissie burbs for the weekend most of the tools on the roads floggin there cars are people in V8 commonwhores
Wouldnt think the dole would pay enuf to fuel a V8

Remember spinning the wheels ,no matter how minimal is classed as a hoon
Gee i can spin the wheels in my 3 tonne 4x4 very easy,that must make me a hoon or doly ???

Matter of fact my crappy ol diesel turbo 4x4 can make mince meat of a set of 31X10.5 15s as well
Doesnt do to bad for a little 3.3 LT diesel

Classed as a hoon in a diesel
Wouldnt that be something to be proud of LOL

I didn't say all, and I never would - I'm well aware that not all those on the dole are DH's...but dole day in Ipswich, is a whole new world...one where I don't want to be driving on the road...

[Road Games]

Hmm maybe if the Gold Coast City Council get off their fat asss we wont have to terrorise Springbrook every sat night ?

Police know all about it yet i have yet to see one patrol car waiting for us at the bottom of the mountain ....

[2011G6E]

Every time someone starts saying there should be "legal venues", I start to ask questions...
* Where does the land come from, and where will it be located to negate noise complants from any nearby neighbours? Who pays for the land?
* Who is going to pay for the building of the venue?
* Who is going to pay for the upkeep of the venue?
* Who is going to do the actual upkeep?
* Who is going to organise and pay the massive amount of insurance that would be required at the venue?
* How much will it have to cost per driver or per car to cover all the inevitable costs?
* Who sets the rules of who can attend and what can be done there? It can't be a free-for-all and for safety would have to be strictly run.

People will turn around and say "It should be provided! probably by the council! Or the government! Someone should do it!"
Which is really no answer at all.

If "the council" or the government did it, they would expect it to be run as a going concern, under a strict set of rules covering noise and safety, and be at least revenue neutral or make a slight profit.
But if a private entrepenuer or group of investors did it, they would want all of the above, plus making an ongoing and increasing profit year on year.

No one is going to do it for free, run it with no rules, or not demand some basic safety be followed.

[Fireblade]

Originally Posted by sudszy

blah blah hoon this blah blah hoon that blah blah

Mike Rann is that you?

Stop feeding this Government Troll or should that be Hypocrite

[damo76]

You know what ***** me. You guys were 17- 18 once right and every bloke when there young is a hoon including me.
When your young like that everything is who cares, im invincible.
This politicly correct, Soft **** Australia is giving me the *****.

[TUF_302]

They have legal places, called race tracks/Drag strips

[Fireblade]

Originally Posted by TUF_302

They have legal places, called race tracks/Drag strips

Not everywhere has them though, for us in Adelaide we have Mallala raceway about 2 hours out, closest dragstrip is an 8th Mile at Whyalla. which is close to 6 hours out of Adelaide.

[FgNewbie]

Originally Posted by damo76

You know what ***** me. You guys were 17- 18 once right and every bloke when there young is a hoon including me.
When your young like that everything is who cares, im invincible.
This politicly correct, Soft **** Australia is giving me the *****.

If you thought the censorship of your post was another act of political correctness, I wouldn't agree. I would think the admin are doing a good job of maintaining a family orientated forum.

When I was 17, attitudes were different, life was different.

As a generalisation, we also had more respect for our elders, the law and those that enforced it.

Doesn't mean we didn't give them curry, we just went about it a different way.

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by tweeked

Legal venues for peoples enjoyment is what goverments should provide.

That is why we have maintained national parks, swings for kids, bmx tracks, beaches cleaned, skateboard parks, bicycle tracks, jettys for boats, council golf courses, you can go on forever.

Whether or not they stop so called hoons - I dont care. Car culture is huge, people enjoy it, it is good for jobs and the economy, and there should be facilities provide.

You are serious? Take a look at the list of things that you have listed above, all these things encourage people to be active, to get fit, across a variety of ages and demographics and dont require any real expense for people to enjoy them.

Skid pans/hoon pits, entry requires you already own a car, have a licence and would only probably be appealing to a limited number from particular urban areas and socioeconomic status, be in the 18-20 year old bracket and male......but you want the rest of the community to finance this to the tune of billions. What othe activity can you think of that has such a narrow particpant demographic?

Dont also forget that it is a practice that directly puts filth and carcinogens into the air as well as more CO2.

People want to get involved with driving cars fast, its a luxury sport, its expensive, just the way it is when you have a one and a half tonne toy to thrash around.

Pay you way to get yourself into drag racing or racing, perhaps get inot go kart racing, that's relatively cheap.... or go without, regardless the public roads are not your playground......

[mik]

Originally Posted by Fordman

I dont think so, the whole fun of it is the illegality in most peoples minds.

spot on Fordman, anyway the legal thing its been tried before and did`nt work, there`s to many testosterone charged young blokes that want to do it their way.

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by FgNewbie

If you thought the censorship of your post was another act of political correctness, I wouldn't agree. I would think the admin are doing a good job of maintaining a family orientated forum.

When I was 17, attitudes were different, life was different.

As a generalisation, we also had more respect for our elders, the law and those that enforced it.

Doesn't mean we didn't give them curry, we just went about it a different way.

Yes indeed. I was "17 or 18 years old" in 1982 and 1983, and life was really different. We'd congregate in the main drag of Bundaberg, usually friday and saturday nights , until maybe midnight or a little after (other nights weren't late nights out...we had jobs to go to). No alcohol was ever involved. The cops would sometimes cruise the street after midnight, occasionally stopping and saying "haven't you ****** got a home to go to?", and if it was late enough and there were few enough of us left, we did...

We'd have little races between the traffic lights that were in the street then, but it was mainly who got to the other side of the lights first, not a full on drag to the next set of lights. We'd do laps of the main street until we almost ran out of petrol (only one 24 hour servo and they only had two pumps), and occasionally a proper drag race was organised...but it was about eight kilometers or more out of town on Thompsons Road, in amongst the cane fields. "Cockatoos" were positioned at each end of the long road to watch for cops (they had CB radios and would warn someone), and after a series of races, we'd go home. No one had full on races from the traffic lights...but there were a few burnouts...

Different times indeed...