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15-12-2008, 05:44 PM | #34 | |||
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You make a good point though, it needs to be policed more and enforced without loop holes....
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just put the mykeys in the cop cars
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15-12-2008, 06:24 PM | #38 | ||
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What ever happened to trusting your kids?
I'm 18 and I don't speed. Limit the speed of the car is ridiculous sometimes you need to go over the speed limit. If it is such a great idea why not make the thing for all drivers not just P platers. A lot of people around here seem to think as soon as the p plates come off you automatically stop speeding. If p platers don't need to exceed the speed limit AT ALL then fully licensed driver shouldn't as well.
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15-12-2008, 06:30 PM | #39 | ||
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A parent can install this and use it as their only safe gaurd, but the child can still go off and do stupid stuff. But, its a good step in the puplics eye....
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But buy law, he was correct, under the law you're not ment to ecceed the speed limit whilst overtaking, but in real situations it can be different.
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Well Im mid 30's, never an at fault accident, always driven minimum 351 V8s from buying my first car (turbo now) so I guess that means I should be for it by that logic??
The point Im getting at though is its very easy once a system is in place to step it up a level. Then we will all end up wearing this, not our 'dumb kids who dont know any better' !! On the bright side, when this starts to happen in 5 years time we can safely say the value of older classics will go up again |
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15-12-2008, 08:46 PM | #43 | ||
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how do you give a driver maturity and road sence? i don`t know, at least 2/3 times a week i hear ratbags in the very narrow next street (50k zone) close to flat out in 2nd, we have booze buses on a regular basis on the main road 200 yards away but no police presence in the back streets ever unless there`s a murder or something, i like the idea of of limiting dads car for the youngster , i just don`t know if once the youngster gets his or her own car after having a daddy`s governed car would now entice them to find the limits of the new unrestricted car.
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15-12-2008, 09:45 PM | #44 | |||
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The point Im getting at though is its very easy once a system is in place to step it up a level.
100% agree every time I see something like this technolagy i think that it will come back and bite every-one else Quote:
gotta say iv been in a situation where i went to overtake a truck and a they purposely speed up (being a smart ***) as i was just coming up the B double trailer(think that's what there called) there was a rise in the road a car come over it now this is were you need to take one of those split second decisions REALY jam the brakes on or floor the thing if i had braked there would have been a realy big smash up as another car had pulled out behind me but was further back so he just pulled back when he sore what was going on i pursued ahead with just under a comfortable distance spared as i pulled in (not trying to offend you) but I will agree with FLAPPIST your a city boy sometimes these situations chose you, even if most times you chose them
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Fair enough jakkes, flappist and everyone else whos against me. Not here to start a fight by any means but I'm sick of hoons (P platers or not) deciding to race down suburban streets. Guess it works both ways.
Stay safe. ;)
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15-12-2008, 11:20 PM | #46 | |||
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If I was a parent I definatly would want limiters in my car. I think we all know what kids get up to in their parents cars. when I was on my P's some 13yrs ago I was thinking of designing a limiter for my friends parents cars haha. but remember limiters can come in handy for when you take your car to the mechanics.
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15-12-2008, 11:29 PM | #48 | |||
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And your point is?? Your a serial speed breaker who seems to think hes above the law? You can deny it but from reading your posts over the last 4 years it seems to me that you think driving on a country highway is an excuse to drive like a moron! Truely my friend your the silly one...
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yep and if the speed limit is 100 and you go faster to over take a vehicle...your speeding.
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15-12-2008, 11:32 PM | #50 | |||
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P.s Overtaking a truck down a hill is a dumb idea, we see it happen all the time, truck goes over hill, gains speed at rapid rate, dipshit in car who thinks hes as tough as nails goes out into god speed, trucks got 90 tonne pushing it down, ofcourse its going to go with him!
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16-12-2008, 07:18 AM | #51 | ||
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I think it is a great idea, and should be compulsory on all cars.
Ford (through Volvo) have been playing with this idea for some time.
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16-12-2008, 07:28 AM | #52 | ||
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How's it nanna state when it's controlled by the parents? If the state had their hands on the controls, then you'd have a point.
I think it's a great idea. I'd have one installed in my car if my kids were given the keys. |
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16-12-2008, 07:55 AM | #53 | ||
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I see this as a good idea, it gives parents the ability to limit the speed the car their child is driving, giving them some peace of mind.
Like it or not a lot fatalities on the road are made up of drivers aged between 18 and 25 (28% in 2007, while these drivers only account for 14% of drivers on the road). Now not all of these are speed related but a lot are. This device devised by Ford is NOT a government initiative but an option for the purchaser of the vehicle from Ford. I imagine most people taking this option will be parents who are either purchasing their child's first car or sharing a car with them. In this case the parents(s) would know of the dangers when driving (distractions, speed, other drivers, etc), if they can reduce the chance of one of those dangers from occurring I'd imagine that is a good thing. This device is a positive step in the direction for parents to take responsibility for their child, too many these days love to blame someone else for their problems. Would I have something like this in my child's car? Probably a good chance I would. Just for the record (and to settle the self proclaimed elitists on this board who seem to think they're driving gods and are above all laws) I am a car enthusiast, I love a bit of spirited driving but there is a time and a place for that. Driving is dangerous at any stage, having a moron driving at double the speed limit only increases that danger. |
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16-12-2008, 08:00 AM | #54 | ||
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If it saves lives it's a good thing
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16-12-2008, 10:44 AM | #55 | ||
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Keep in mind in some states in the US kids can start driving unaccompanied when they are 14. Not a bad thing, but I think a driving course being sold with the car would be a better idea.
So long as its parents and not the government controlling the speed of the car then I'm somewhat for it. I just hope I don't have an emergency and my kid missed out on my last words because I speed limited the car to 80kmh.
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16-12-2008, 11:03 AM | #56 | |||
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You have a new Pursuit with a 250km/h limiter, have you lowered it to 110, the maximum limit in your state? Or 130 even, the max limit in Australia? I suspect not. Why not? It is easy to do and causes no damage whatsoever. If you truly believe what you are saying will make you and the rest or the road users in Australia safer then why not? I do what I say and say what I do. Do the same and you may gain some credibility. Or to state it more simply PUT UP OR SHUT UP........... |
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16-12-2008, 11:08 AM | #57 | ||
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I’m still finding it hard to understand how limiting speed can save lives. Why can’t we just limit stupid people?
It seems like a good idea but lets look at it another way. So you speed limit your car to 110k. He/she can still kill themselves and others. Limit the car to 90? 80? 70 even? They can still die at even these speeds if being stupid. What are the practical applications for this? We keep kidding ourselves that we will bring road toll to zero. That is practically impossible as anything we do has risk. We might drive safely but the other guy might not be. We all know that when we are young 16-23 (yes we ALL have done it before, no matter what anyone says), we will push ANYTHING we are driving to its outermost limits when we think no one is watching or we think we can get away with it. With training and experience comes logical and safe driving Wouldn’t limiting acceleration be more practical? |
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16-12-2008, 11:14 AM | #58 | |||
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Speed isn't the big killer but if you have inexperienced idiots doing stupid speeds in conditions that simply don't warrant that speed then issues will occur. |
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16-12-2008, 11:42 AM | #59 | |||
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Judgement by the driver is always needed, it it were not then all of our trains, busses, aircraft, taxis etc would all be computer operated and not need an operator. The fact that they don't in a world run by accountants is evidence enough. |
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16-12-2008, 12:02 PM | #60 | |||
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limiting acceleration would do more damage than good. as flappist has suggested already, sometimes you need acceleration to get out of a potentially danagerous situation. if you 3/4 of the way past a semi trailer and suddenly noticed a car coming the other way - accelerating quickly may get you out of it. if something is to be limited, top speed should be. however as flappist has suggested, to pass someone on the open highway, it is easy to reach 120-130 kph for a few seconds to safely pass alot of people cannot see the need for performance cars. the fact is, they accelerate, handle, change direction and brake much better than non performance cars. therefore, if you are driving at a speed that is safe for the conditions, if something unexpected happens a performance car will have much greater margins in store than a normal car. of course those margins are only margins if the driver is sensible and below theirs and the cars limit. if those margins are used correctly, they may save a life or more |
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